You should just delete your post. You are clueless.Take the L buddy. I’ve never experienced restaurants closing early and the service seems to be about the same.
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You should just delete your post. You are clueless.Take the L buddy. I’ve never experienced restaurants closing early and the service seems to be about the same.
What are you talking about? Read the history of tipping coming to the US in the mid to late 1800s. It's an interesting historical perspective on capitalism and class differences in the 19th century and how these practices carried over to modern times.Oh god... Sarcasm or stupidity. I usually charge my Sarcasm Meter on Saturday so I can't tell.
That’s literally all I doI guess you're not going out at all.
Same place, or few places? You are blind to the facts. Get out more. More restaurants have cut the times then kept their old times.That’s literally all I do
no, not if getting tipsDo you think the servers should get minimum wage though?
I’ll just cook my own food. If I want to bring something in once in a while like a Popeyes spicy chicken sandwich ( which are great btw) I’ll go out and get myself. Never used UE or DD. Don’t have to deal with this additional tax ( tipping)Yes, this practice is becoming more common in restaurants! The restaurant will quietly add a 10-15% Tip without telling the customer that the tip is already included. Another new practice that is becoming more common is the venue charging a 3% fee for using a credit card. Back in the old days, the restaurant bar would eat the cost of processing the transaction.
In Northern Europe the cost of a meal in a restaurant and drinks at a bar cover the staff expenses. Not cheap there.It should work how it does in Europe. How restaurant owners got customers to foot the bill is the biggest screw job of all time.
All over. The restaurants I go to are generally open later than restaurants here.Same place, or few places? You are blind to the facts. Get out more. More restaurants have cut the times then kept their old times.
Sure they do!All over. The restaurants I go to are generally open later than restaurants here.
I mean the culture in many other European countries is eating dinner at 9-11pm. Do the math.Sure they do!
Unless they play games with hours and employees cannot get enough hours.$30/hour sounds like a decent pay for many looking for a job, even if it is a traditional tip job
The existing staff might not like it but there should be applicants just based on salary
I always hear TIP originally meant, to insure promptness. Like how you bribe a Matre D. I recall some Belmar summers where we found the place we wanted to drink and basically recruited a bartender friend by overtipping early in the summer. Kinda worked against the house eventually.. and our livers..What are you talking about? Read the history of tipping coming to the US in the mid to late 1800s. It's an interesting historical perspective on capitalism and class differences in the 19th century and how these practices carried over to modern times.
No. Sounds like Staten Island though . Who would have thought stAten island was ahead of things the past 30 YearsWhy is that crazy? Are they supposed to eat 3+ % of your bill for your convenience? I don't blame them one bit.
This thread reminded me of this recent story ...
Casa Bonita workers demand return to tipping
The iconic Denver restaurant isn't fully open yet, but workers have sent a petition seeking changes to pay and benefits.www.restaurantbusinessonline.com
The creators of South Park recently renovated and re-opened Casa Bonita in Denver. They didn't want tipping in the restaurant, so they prohibited it and instead upped waiter salaries to $30/hour. Well, the waiters are bitching and moaning because they want to go back to minimum wage and tipping.
That credit card debt point is BS (everyone is forgetting about the denominator). Watch from the 13:30 mark:Lots of anonymous input here re: tipping "generosity." Big spenders. LOL. Wonder what the reality is? Consumer and credit card debt at all-time highs. Folks spending what they don't have. And sheepishly supporting a restaurant dynamic of mismanagement and unsustainable menu price increases, while escalated tipping as a percentage goes to an under-salaried staff. All in all, the industry needs a reset. Any likely economic downturn will accelerate that.
I worked in the industry as a bartender in grad school, at a higher-end establishment. Made good $. Management looked the other way re: cash tips. But I did see behind the curtain as to how the place was run. Also, the whole bar waitstaff and bartender culture had its own community and afterhours social scene (Raleigh-Durm-Chapel Hell). Pretty wild at times (mid-80s). Incredibly short-sighted in terms of money management and personal responsibility. Management was not too far removed from it. Actually many were part of it.
"Americans’ total credit card balance is $1.031 trillion in the second quarter of 2023, according to the latest consumer debt data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. That’s up from the first quarter of 2023’s record number, leaving the balance the highest since the New York Fed began tracking in 1999.That credit card debt point is BS (everyone is forgetting about the denominator). Watch from the 13:30 mark:
Yeah it apparently originally started as that in Europe and then was brought here by wealthy Americans. It then was used as a way to hire really cheap expendable labor in mid to late 1800s in the hotel and train car world.I always hear TIP originally meant, to insure promptness. Like how you bribe a Matre D. I recall some Belmar summers where we found the place we wanted to drink and basically recruited a bartender friend by overtipping early in the summer. Kinda worked against the house eventually.. and our livers..
Household net worth also at all-time high. % of CC debt vs. household net worth way below past highs. Gotta look at the whole story, not just the clickbait headline."Americans’ total credit card balance is $1.031 trillion in the second quarter of 2023, according to the latest consumer debt data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. That’s up from the first quarter of 2023’s record number, leaving the balance the highest since the New York Fed began tracking in 1999.
This is the first time credit card debt has topped $1 trillion in this country."
https://www.lendingtree.com/credit-cards/credit-card-debt-statistics/
You're conflating two data points. CC debt (at all-time highs) is borne by individuals who are not big earners and who are spending beyond their ability to cover expenses. They carry a growing balance these days and are vulnerable to late payments and default. Households/individuals who are higher earners (with higher net worth) are paying off monthly CC balances. Haves vs have nots.Household net worth also at all-time high. % of CC debt vs. household net worth way below past highs. Gotta look at the whole story, not just the clickbait headline.
You are only giving part of the story. Of course CC debt is at an all-time high, but so is the size of our economy, and most importantly so is household net worth. CC debt is LESS of a burden today than in past years. Once again, people freaking out over one number in isolation need to understand the context of the entire story.You're conflating two data points. CC debt (at all-time highs) is borne by individuals who are not big earners and who are spending beyond their ability to cover expenses. They carry a growing balance these days and are vulnerable to late payments and default. Households/individuals who are higher earners (with higher net worth) are paying off monthly CC balances. Haves vs have nots.
FYI .. in my experience, working-class folks are often bigger tippers than their wealthy counterparts, in terms of percentage of tip. Wait staff themselves are often very big tippers.
At 15:00 or so they show a chart about all debt, mortages, etc... and it looks like the trend in auto loans and student loans shows overcharging by automakers and universities.That credit card debt point is BS (everyone is forgetting about the denominator). Watch from the 13:30 mark:
Definitely a trend with increasing student loan burden.At 15:00 or so they show a chart about all debt, mortages, etc... and it looks like the trend in auto loans and student loans shows overcharging by automakers and universities.