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We're all fvcking doomed. Those little robot dogs are going to kill us all once they get AI.
If you want to think doom and gloom and armageddon how about this one...

The world seems crazy, right? What if the world-elites who are telling us to eat bugs and wanting to gain total control via energy sector, lack of mobility, remove cash as an option to track all transactions.. etc etc.... what if they know we are just about out of food on a planetary scale. Might explain experimental viruses target certain populations.. to gain control of various , militaries and so on... what if bug boy Bill Gates is buying all this farmland to preserve its use for his buddies and concubines?

With teh crazy things you see going on, it could be there is an equally crazy rationale that might make them make sense.
 
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If you want to think doom and gloom and armageddon how about this one...

The world seems crazy, right? What if the world-elites who are telling us to eat bugs and wanting to gain total control via energy sector, lack of mobility, remove cash as an option to track all transactions.. etc etc.... what if they know we are just about out of food on a planetary scale. Might explain experimental viruses target certain populations.. to gain control of various , militaries and so on... what if bug boy Bill Gates is buying all this farmland to preserve its use for his buddies and concubines?

With teh crazy things you see going on, it could be there is an equally crazy rationale that might make them make sense.
Here's something else to think about, not my words but I can agree with the meaning :
>We see prissy, stuck-up, wholly self-interested Ivy Leaguers like Ted Cruz (Princeton; Harvard Law), Josh Hawley (Stanford; Yale Law), Ron DeSantis (Yale; Harvard Law) and much of Trump's inner circle playing good ol' boys, affecting down-home dialects, and decrying the "elites" on the left who supposedly dominate American business, politics and culture. This would be merely laughable if they weren't also insisting that religious liberty means that everyone must live by the retrograde religious dogma they pretend to believe.


The Trumpist cult and other far-right political organizations around the globe continue to profitably press their pseudo-populist game plan of going after elites (often the "educated elites") to inflame and enrage the mind of the common citizen.
When the phony Wharton grad who reluctantly departed from the White House in January 2021 said he loved the "poorly educated," they were happy not to take that as an obvious insult. How, exactly, did he intend it? Both as contempt and affection. Any con man keeps a special place in his black-hole heart for people who cannot, or will not, see how he is hoodwinking them.
While Republican politicians have for decades praised and catered to the needs of oligarchs (as well as the merely wealthy who merely dream of being oligarchs), creating the greatest income disparity since the Roaring '20s, they have simultaneously encouraged working- and middle-class Americans to resent people who went to college and quite likely graduate school and have become specialists in various fields: historians, scientists, journalists, civil servants, elementary school teachers. Somehow, in this demented narrative, those professions are part of an administrative system that thwarts ordinary people's quest for freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Today's Christian fascists don't ask what Jesus would do; they ask what Viktor Orbán would do. Anti-immigrant "Christians" get a kick out of seeing red-state governors troll the libs by using real human beings as pawns in a deliberately cruel media spectacle.

As these beliefs begin to spread in cult-like fashion, then teachers, judges, health experts, academics and even members of law enforcement — whom Republicans have always claimed to venerate — become objects of derision, even death threats.<
 
X marks the spot Twitter died 😕
"X.com now points to https://twitter.com/. Interim X logo goes live later today," tweeted Mr Musk.
Twitter, with around 200 million daily active users, has suffered repeated technical failures since the "elite" Elon bought the app for $44 billion in 2022 and sacked much of its staff.

Twitter's distinctive bird logo will soon be history, the latest move in another shake-up of the social media platform since Musk bought it..
 
Here's something else to think about, not my words but I can agree with the meaning :
>We see prissy, stuck-up, wholly self-interested Ivy Leaguers like Ted Cruz (Princeton; Harvard Law), Josh Hawley (Stanford; Yale Law), Ron DeSantis (Yale; Harvard Law) and much of Trump's inner circle playing good ol' boys, affecting down-home dialects, and decrying the "elites" on the left who supposedly dominate American business, politics and culture. This would be merely laughable if they weren't also insisting that religious liberty means that everyone must live by the retrograde religious dogma they pretend to believe.


The Trumpist cult and other far-right political organizations around the globe continue to profitably press their pseudo-populist game plan of going after elites (often the "educated elites") to inflame and enrage the mind of the common citizen.
When the phony Wharton grad who reluctantly departed from the White House in January 2021 said he loved the "poorly educated," they were happy not to take that as an obvious insult. How, exactly, did he intend it? Both as contempt and affection. Any con man keeps a special place in his black-hole heart for people who cannot, or will not, see how he is hoodwinking them.
While Republican politicians have for decades praised and catered to the needs of oligarchs (as well as the merely wealthy who merely dream of being oligarchs), creating the greatest income disparity since the Roaring '20s, they have simultaneously encouraged working- and middle-class Americans to resent people who went to college and quite likely graduate school and have become specialists in various fields: historians, scientists, journalists, civil servants, elementary school teachers. Somehow, in this demented narrative, those professions are part of an administrative system that thwarts ordinary people's quest for freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Today's Christian fascists don't ask what Jesus would do; they ask what Viktor Orbán would do. Anti-immigrant "Christians" get a kick out of seeing red-state governors troll the libs by using real human beings as pawns in a deliberately cruel media spectacle.

As these beliefs begin to spread in cult-like fashion, then teachers, judges, health experts, academics and even members of law enforcement — whom Republicans have always claimed to venerate — become objects of derision, even death threats.<
A lot of nonsense in there. None of those "prissy, stuck-up, wholly self-interested Ivy Leaguers" fit into the politics of those institutions.

Furthermore, that whole message was undercut by the use of those pejoratives. Can you imagine one example where, whoever that author was, would use "prissy, stuck-up, wholly self-interested Ivy Leaguers" in relation to any liberal coming out of those institutions?

No, I think not.

And "Christian fascists".. WTH were you thinking quoting that pile of crap? I can tell you right now that whatever words you would have decided upon would have been a better response because that was one huge pile of crap. Then again, you did choose to quote that and agree with it.

Oh.. and your wish casting for Twitter's failure is another example of derangement syndrome. "Your side" help Twitter and all other social media and you didn't care a lick whether Twitter was successful, whether it made money or what its market cap was. But someone buys Twitter in order to make sure it provides fair access to its form of free speech and now all those business angles mean everything.. furthermore whoever bought it is the latest enemy of the state... clearly a fascist nazi white supremacist..

..and despite buying Twitter to promote free speech, Musk, to your mind, is actually using it to censor the left. Proof of that? It doesn't exist... but if you get enough of your fellow useful idiots to say it... well, that makes it true, doesn't it?

I'll tell you exactly what is going on in USA politics. For decades our choice among presidential candidates did not matter and the parties weren't all that different and the people they offered up were not exactly the best and brightest. I mean, Bush vs Gore? WTH?

But the GOP was the party of business and the DNC was the party of labor.. the working man. Then, I think beginning with Clinton defeating the first George Bush, Chicago-style socialist politics infested the DNC. Remember, Hillary was a Marxist Saul Alinsky disciple and she was born of Chicago politics. When she was in the White House they got FBI files on everybody and kept them in the White Hosue. Filegate. The DNC is still there.

And as for the GOP.. well, is it the party of big business anymore? Not really. Sure, some businesses like oil who are a target of the left.. they have no choice but support the opposition. But practically everyone else, Wall Street, High Tech, they have move to the DNC. Why?

Hint: It is not because teh DNC is enlightened and good vs the GOP is evil.

No, it is because of the Tea Party movement. The Tea Party was about good government. Spending less. Taxing less. Getting more value for your tax dollars. Now that scared the crap out of all those industries that rely on the flow of dollars from taxpayers, though government coffee, then into their coffers.

This is something that liberals and DNC complained about for decades and decades. That the GOP, then the party of big business, served big business and not the people. But now that it is DNC politicians doing it.. and collecting all those donations from big business.. it is perfectly fine.

Furthermore, the DNC can sell the business interests on teh idea of achieving one-party rule. I think it was 1992 when Bill Clinton beat Bush that I first saw pundits predicting the GOP would become a permanent minority party. They pointed to that win plus changing demographics where we would become a minority white nation by, I think it was predicted 2050 at the time. But then the 1994 midterm changed that with Newt Gingrich becoming speaker.

So this wish casting of effective one-party rule was put on hold. But came back again and again since then. And this is why, I think, you see the border crisis. The Dems are trying desperately to achieve that one-party rule as quickly as possible with so many like Pelosi being so old. They want it NOW. They are not just predicting it... living with what comes.. they are actively trying to achieve it by whatever means necessary.

Now, I think it is so important to them because of personal self-interest. Like the Bdens.. so many are corrupt. They have cashed in on their political careers and if they maintain control of the all the workings of government then they can protect themselves and their heirs.

And big business? Which is now huge conglomerates that encapsulate the media and "journalism" as we know it today... well, the Tea Party influenced GOP was not a sure bet... but the corrupt DNC is, The DNC is now the party of Wall Street.

Tip O'neill.. with great effort.. is spinning in his grave. Daniel Patrick Moynihan as well.

MADHAT.. you are being used. And when that single-party rule is achieved.. you will not like the end result. And of course, by then, saying you do not like the end result.. aka single party rule... will put you in jail. And that is why you should be applauding Musk and stop being a tool of the DNC.
 
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Here's something else to think about, not my words but I can agree with the meaning :
>We see prissy, stuck-up, wholly self-interested Ivy Leaguers like Ted Cruz (Princeton; Harvard Law), Josh Hawley (Stanford; Yale Law), Ron DeSantis (Yale; Harvard Law) and much of Trump's inner circle playing good ol' boys, affecting down-home dialects, and decrying the "elites" on the left who supposedly dominate American business, politics and culture. This would be merely laughable if they weren't also insisting that religious liberty means that everyone must live by the retrograde religious dogma they pretend to believe.


The Trumpist cult and other far-right political organizations around the globe continue to profitably press their pseudo-populist game plan of going after elites (often the "educated elites") to inflame and enrage the mind of the common citizen.
When the phony Wharton grad who reluctantly departed from the White House in January 2021 said he loved the "poorly educated," they were happy not to take that as an obvious insult. How, exactly, did he intend it? Both as contempt and affection. Any con man keeps a special place in his black-hole heart for people who cannot, or will not, see how he is hoodwinking them.
While Republican politicians have for decades praised and catered to the needs of oligarchs (as well as the merely wealthy who merely dream of being oligarchs), creating the greatest income disparity since the Roaring '20s, they have simultaneously encouraged working- and middle-class Americans to resent people who went to college and quite likely graduate school and have become specialists in various fields: historians, scientists, journalists, civil servants, elementary school teachers. Somehow, in this demented narrative, those professions are part of an administrative system that thwarts ordinary people's quest for freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Today's Christian fascists don't ask what Jesus would do; they ask what Viktor Orbán would do. Anti-immigrant "Christians" get a kick out of seeing red-state governors troll the libs by using real human beings as pawns in a deliberately cruel media spectacle.

As these beliefs begin to spread in cult-like fashion, then teachers, judges, health experts, academics and even members of law enforcement — whom Republicans have always claimed to venerate — become objects of derision, even death threats.<
Sounds like someone’s a little but hurt that Musk allowed for some truths to come out on Twitter. He also stopped some of the censorship. It’s still not fixed enough though.
 
Sounds like someone’s a little but hurt that Musk allowed for some truths to come out on Twitter. He also stopped some of the censorship. It’s still not fixed enough though.
He didn’t stop “censorship”. We know he was censoring people in Turkey and India for political reasons not that long ago. But what’s the problem with taking down posts and whatnot to begin with? Sites don’t have to give you rights to post in accordance to the first amendment. For instance, this site and its mods “censor” all the time. They delete posts, bar users from posting in specific threads, and keep certain topics (and rampant bigotry) behind a paywall.
 
Using the First Amendment when discussing twitter X or threads show you have no idea what the first amendment means
Correct.

Good luck getting folks who think otherwise to realize it, though. They lost their ability to apply skepticism that could lead to a rejection of propaganda, and an embrace of relevant fact, a long time ago.
 
He didn’t stop “censorship”. We know he was censoring people in Turkey and India for political reasons not that long ago. But what’s the problem with taking down posts and whatnot to begin with? Sites don’t have to give you rights to post in accordance to the first amendment. For instance, this site and its mods “censor” all the time. They delete posts, bar users from posting in specific threads, and keep certain topics (and rampant bigotry) behind a paywall.


Sites can manage their own affairs as they wish, but when they are censoring because of government orders then that is in fact a violation of the Constitution.

Its a proven fact now, and Zuck and Jack admitted gov agencies were taking the wheel. Censorship was tightly along political lines. Many bright and supremly credentialled experts were silenced (people died because of it).

DC is just a constellation of corrupt mafias out for themselves. Polls show most people see that now

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Correct.

Good luck getting folks who think otherwise to realize it, though. They lost their ability to apply skepticism that could lead to a rejection of propaganda, and an embrace of relevant fact, a long time ago.
No, not correct. Musk said it was about free speech and he bought the company knowing it doesn't make money.

Are you claiming you know what Musk's motivation was better than Musk himself?

Furthermore, is Twitter/X more open now and more supportive of free speech now that it was under Dorsey and those C-level tools he employed?

Do politicians still have the ability to direct Twitter/X to quash speech it does not like?

It is about free speech.. free speech in the electronic public square.
 
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I agree that when a government official told twitter to take down John Legends wife’s tweet that is wrong and violates the first amendment . But if Twitter took it down on their own accord that is not wrong and is not a violation.

The government responding to tweets is also not a violation of the first amendment
 
No, not correct. Musk said it was about free speech and he bought the company knowing it doesn't make money.

Are you claiming you know what Musk's motivation was better than Musk himself?

Furthermore, is Twitter/X more open now and more supportive of free speech now that it was under Dorsey and those C-level tools he employed?

Do politicians still have the ability to direct Twitter/X to quash speech it does not like?

It is about free speech.. free speech in the electronic public square.
Something I found doing a google search on Musk and censorship :
"Elon Musk is no free speech warrior. The thin-skinned new Twitter owner on Thursday banned the accounts of several high-profile journalists from the nation's top news organizations, including: CNN's Donie O'Sullivan; The New York Times' Ryan Mac; and The Washington Post's Drew Harwel"

also found this bit of info:

Under Elon Musk, Twitter has approved 83% of censorship requests by authoritarian governments.May 24, 2023
 
Here's something else to think about, not my words but I can agree with the meaning :
>We see prissy, stuck-up, wholly self-interested Ivy Leaguers like Ted Cruz (Princeton; Harvard Law), Josh Hawley (Stanford; Yale Law), Ron DeSantis (Yale; Harvard Law) and much of Trump's inner circle playing good ol' boys, affecting down-home dialects, and decrying the "elites" on the left who supposedly dominate American business, politics and culture. This would be merely laughable if they weren't also insisting that religious liberty means that everyone must live by the retrograde religious dogma they pretend to believe.


The Trumpist cult and other far-right political organizations around the globe continue to profitably press their pseudo-populist game plan of going after elites (often the "educated elites") to inflame and enrage the mind of the common citizen.
When the phony Wharton grad who reluctantly departed from the White House in January 2021 said he loved the "poorly educated," they were happy not to take that as an obvious insult. How, exactly, did he intend it? Both as contempt and affection. Any con man keeps a special place in his black-hole heart for people who cannot, or will not, see how he is hoodwinking them.
While Republican politicians have for decades praised and catered to the needs of oligarchs (as well as the merely wealthy who merely dream of being oligarchs), creating the greatest income disparity since the Roaring '20s, they have simultaneously encouraged working- and middle-class Americans to resent people who went to college and quite likely graduate school and have become specialists in various fields: historians, scientists, journalists, civil servants, elementary school teachers. Somehow, in this demented narrative, those professions are part of an administrative system that thwarts ordinary people's quest for freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Today's Christian fascists don't ask what Jesus would do; they ask what Viktor Orbán would do. Anti-immigrant "Christians" get a kick out of seeing red-state governors troll the libs by using real human beings as pawns in a deliberately cruel media spectacle.

As these beliefs begin to spread in cult-like fashion, then teachers, judges, health experts, academics and even members of law enforcement — whom Republicans have always claimed to venerate — become objects of derision, even death threats.<

It's all about owning the libs. There is nothing else. No substance, no policy. Just own the libs.
 
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Something I found doing a google search on Musk and censorship :
"Elon Musk is no free speech warrior. The thin-skinned new Twitter owner on Thursday banned the accounts of several high-profile journalists from the nation's top news organizations, including: CNN's Donie O'Sullivan; The New York Times' Ryan Mac; and The Washington Post's Drew Harwel"

also found this bit of info:

Under Elon Musk, Twitter has approved 83% of censorship requests by authoritarian governments.May 24, 2023
you did it again.. something you "found" that begins with a pejorative... AGAIN. "The thin-skinned new Twitter owner"... did they measure his skin layers?

He banned some people who used his platform to attack him directly. Not teh kind of censorship that we are talking about, is it?

Nor is Twitter doing what it was always done in other authoritarian nations. Musk bought twitter to free political speech on it in the United States. That is who the First Amendment applies to. But as others have pointed out, it is still a private enterprise that can ankle its own rules. So attack Elon Musk and support the doxxing of his location and information on a platform he owns at your peril. That has nothing to do with free political speech.

So, sure, Musk banning a few people who attack him on his platform is exactly the same thing as the Biden administration and various government branches directing censorship of private citizens commenting on CoVid, Hunter Biden, etc etc.

Same thing... sure.

You guys have to say that this is not about free speech BECAUSE it is about free speech and most Americans should be in favor of that.
 
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No, not correct. Musk said it was about free speech and he bought the company knowing it doesn't make money.

Are you claiming you know what Musk's motivation was better than Musk himself?

Furthermore, is Twitter/X more open now and more supportive of free speech now that it was under Dorsey and those C-level tools he employed?

Do politicians still have the ability to direct Twitter/X to quash speech it does not like?

It is about free speech.. free speech in the electronic public square.
What Tom wrote was entirely correct. What Musk or anybody else said is irrelevant.

Social media companies are private, not government, organizations. As such, they are entirely free to create limits for content produced by users of their applications.

Social media applications are not a public square. A public square, at least in the context you are referring to them, is funded by the government, not by shareholders. That's what makes them "public" squares as opposed to private property.

As for any before/after comparison of support for free speech, that is mathematically, factually, impossible to quantify. So it's unprovable and purely subjective. Even if we had unfettered access to the internals of the filtering mechanisms employed at twitter, which we do not, we still couldn't prove anything because the filtering isn't deterministic.

This is a very stupid debate. All social media companies must limit what can be posted in their applications. The popular ones (twitter, FB, Instagram, YouTube, etc.) each censor (i.e. filter) many thousands of posts every single day. That has been, is, and will continue to be the case regardless of who owns the companies.
 
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No, not correct. Musk said it was about free speech and he bought the company knowing it doesn't make money.

Are you claiming you know what Musk's motivation was better than Musk himself?

Furthermore, is Twitter/X more open now and more supportive of free speech now that it was under Dorsey and those C-level tools he employed?

Do politicians still have the ability to direct Twitter/X to quash speech it does not like?

It is about free speech.. free speech in the electronic public square.
Only problem, turns out too much free speech turns online public squares into cesspools filled with misinformation, porn, death vids, and non-stop arguments. Cesspools turn off users and advertisers, and it’s not a good business strategy. It will become an unprofitable 4chan. Twitter has really bad vibes compared to threads.

Either way, government shouldn’t influence censorship on these platforms.
 
Board libs embarrassing themselves here. Time to take this one to the CE board. Musk exposed our censorship whaaaaaaaaaaaa
 
Time to take this one to the CE board.
Maybe, but every one of my posts in this thread is entirely apolitical. Pretty sure I have not referred to politics, political parties or political ideologies once in this thread.

It's only politically obsessed nutjobs (on both sides) who cannot discuss anything without placing their personal political spin on everything. Bunch of brainless mice chasing each other around on a mousewheel getting nowhere at all.

Totally sane behavior, right?
 
The public square needs to be owned by the ... public, methinks.
you did it again.. something you "found" that begins with a pejorative... AGAIN. "The thin-skinned new Twitter owner"... did they measure his skin layers?

He banned some people who used his platform to attack him directly. Not teh kind of censorship that we are talking about, is it?

Nor is Twitter doing what it was always done in other authoritarian nations. Musk bought twitter to free political speech on it in the United States. That is who the First Amendment applies to. But as others have pointed out, it is still a private enterprise that can ankle its own rules. So attack Elon Musk and support the doxxing of his location and information on a platform he owns at your peril. That has nothing to do with free political speech.

So, sure, Musk banning a few people who attack him on his platform is exactly the same thing as the Biden administration and various government branches directing censorship of private citizens commenting on CoVid, Hunter Biden, etc etc.

Same thing... sure.

You guys have to say that this is not about free speech BECAUSE it is about free speech and most Americans should be in favor of that.
Jesus, the pretzels you twist to try to justify your narrow-minded one-sided view are an absolute mess - unrecognizable crumbs.

Freedom of speech protects to medical misinformation but not personal criticism 🤣🤣
 
you did it again.. something you "found" that begins with a pejorative... AGAIN. "The thin-skinned new Twitter owner"... did they measure his skin layers?

He banned some people who used his platform to attack him directly. Not teh kind of censorship that we are talking about, is it?

Nor is Twitter doing what it was always done in other authoritarian nations. Musk bought twitter to free political speech on it in the United States. That is who the First Amendment applies to. But as others have pointed out, it is still a private enterprise that can ankle its own rules. So attack Elon Musk and support the doxxing of his location and information on a platform he owns at your peril. That has nothing to do with free political speech.

So, sure, Musk banning a few people who attack him on his platform is exactly the same thing as the Biden administration and various government branches directing censorship of private citizens commenting on CoVid, Hunter Biden, etc etc.

Same thing... sure.

You guys have to say that this is not about free speech BECAUSE it is about free speech and most Americans should be in favor of that.
Found this, using google search, about Twitter's commitment to freedom of speech since Musk took over

And Elon bowing to government control of what Elon allows to stay on twitter ( x marks the spot now )

>The data that Rest of the World reviewed shows that Twitter has received 971 requests from governments and courts since Musk finalized his acquisition of the platform six months ago. These requests include those related to content takedowns as well as requests to turn over data on specific (frequently anonymous) users. Out of those requests, Twitter acquiesced fully to 808 of them and partially fulfilled an additional 154. For another nine requests, the company has not specified how it responded, Rest of the World writes. To make matters even worse, a lot of those requests were forwarded from countries with less-than-stellar human rights records, like India and Turkey.<



https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-twitter-content-moderation-twitter-files-1850384315
 
This is the key takeaway.
While I agree with that I wonder if that means the government should not reply to posts?

I happen to feel the government can reply especially to post responses where they feel the information posted was incorrect.
 
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This is the key takeaway.
I agree it's an important discussion point. But not that it's the key takeaway.

The government frequently issues requests to social media organizations for information (someone just posted about that above, actually). And the government also occasionally makes requests to take down accounts identified as bad actors (e.g. terrorist operations) operating on social media. The government also will sometimes ask media outlets for cooperation in printing or altering articles for reasons of public health, safety or national security.

The key takeaway is not that government should never communicate concerns to, or request cooperation from, social media (or newspapers or any other media). It's that media organizations must remain free to agree or decline to cooperate without fear of government retaliation.
 
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Found this, using google search, about Twitter's commitment to freedom of speech since Musk took over

And Elon bowing to government control of what Elon allows to stay on twitter ( x marks the spot now )

>The data that Rest of the World reviewed shows that Twitter has received 971 requests from governments and courts since Musk finalized his acquisition of the platform six months ago. These requests include those related to content takedowns as well as requests to turn over data on specific (frequently anonymous) users. Out of those requests, Twitter acquiesced fully to 808 of them and partially fulfilled an additional 154. For another nine requests, the company has not specified how it responded, Rest of the World writes. To make matters even worse, a lot of those requests were forwarded from countries with less-than-stellar human rights records, like India and Turkey.<



https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-twitter-content-moderation-twitter-files-1850384315
How many from the USA government?

Until you limit your argument to what is being discussed.. Free Speech, 1st Amendment.. ie The United States and its citizenry and their speech... your "found" points are pointless.
 
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How many from the USA government?

Until you limit your argument to what is being discussed.. Free Speech, 1st Amendment.. ie The United States and its citizenry and their speech... your "found" points are pointless.
not pointless, just pointing out Elon does what he's told to do in order to stay in business when countries set the rules.
Businesses set the rules in America when it comes to social media and the social medias sites do the censuring on their own..
Some don't want misinformation on it because misinformation sometimes can harm someone if they believe it.
Other sites are let the buyer beware and if they get harmed it's their fault for believing a lie.
The US Government doesn't tell social media what they can allow, but there are those misinformed individuals that believe the US Government censors what's put on social media, because there is misinformation being posted on social media sites saying that.

Musk claims to be all for freedom of speech and first amendment rights, until someone says something bad against him and their freedom of speech goes pouf on the site Elon controls.
Yet the misinformed only see where he claims to be against censorship , because they only want to look at a little part of picture because they like it, ignoring what the whole picture shows because they don't want to see the truth.

I can't expect some wanting to see the whole picture because they are the type Fox was proven to have lied to constantly and those who were fooled still trust the liars more than those who try to give an honest account of the issue being discussed.
I don't have to do a google search on that, I can see it here on this board anytime in threads discussions like this are going on.
 
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Businesses set the rules in America when it comes to social media and the social medias sites do the censuring on their own..
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And yet the Biden administration told the old twitter what to do and what needed to be censored.

This is what Musk sought to fix.

Flee twitter to threads if your feel your "progressive" speech needs protection and should always go unchallenged.

That is what Zuck is counting on. Cutting Twiiter/X down to the Libertarians and conservatives and capture everyone else... from no users to half the nation.. and it will be a Progressive playland. Heck, Twitter/X will then still have competition from Truth Social and Parler...
 
That is what Zuck is counting on. Cutting Twiiter/X down to the Libertarians and conservatives and capture everyone else... from no users to half the nation.. and it will be a Progressive playland. Heck, Twitter/X will then still have competition from Truth Social and Parler...
That’s extremely unlikely to be what Zuckerberg is counting on. Or Musk. Neither person wants to or will act to narrow their user base along political ideological lines. That would be very stupid and neither of them is at all stupid.

They both want as large a user base as possible and don’t GAF about people’s political leans.
 
I agree that when a government official told twitter to take down John Legends wife’s tweet that is wrong and violates the first amendment . But if Twitter took it down on their own accord that is not wrong and is not a violation.

The government responding to tweets is also not a violation of the first amendment

Sad person using one example vs thousands of other examples.
 
not pointless, just pointing out Elon does what he's told to do in order to stay in business when countries set the rules.
Businesses set the rules in America when it comes to social media and the social medias sites do the censuring on their own..
Some don't want misinformation on it because misinformation sometimes can harm someone if they believe it.
Other sites are let the buyer beware and if they get harmed it's their fault for believing a lie.
The US Government doesn't tell social media what they can allow, but there are those misinformed individuals that believe the US Government censors what's put on social media, because there is misinformation being posted on social media sites saying that.

Musk claims to be all for freedom of speech and first amendment rights, until someone says something bad against him and their freedom of speech goes pouf on the site Elon controls.
Yet the misinformed only see where he claims to be against censorship , because they only want to look at a little part of picture because they like it, ignoring what the whole picture shows because they don't want to see the truth.

I can't expect some wanting to see the whole picture because they are the type Fox was proven to have lied to constantly and those who were fooled still trust the liars more than those who try to give an honest account of the issue being discussed.
I don't have to do a google search on that, I can see it here on this board anytime in threads discussions like this are going on.

Are you a parody account
 
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That’s extremely unlikely to be what Zuckerberg is counting on. Or Musk. Neither person wants to or will act to narrow their user base along political ideological lines. That would be very stupid and neither of them is at all stupid.

They both want as large a user base as possible and don’t GAF about people’s political leans.
The argument is that Musk buying it narrowed its customer base and that Zuck giving them an alternative (that is censored like the old twitter) will create a "narrow" base that will, in fact, grow the base from nothing to something.. a gain of infinty%.

C'mon, admit it.. you understood that, right?

Why would conservatives leave X/Twitter now for Zuck's Threads while Zuck's other products censor them to varying degrees? Show me what Zuck has done to woo conservatives and I may surrender a point.
 
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This is the key takeaway.
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Either way, government shouldn’t influence censorship on these platforms.
I would normally agree with the sentiment(s) above, but this is about to become a VERY contentious and problematic topic.

My clients are large healthcare systems typically with $2B+ revenue. I'll give one example my clients are discussing right now: An AI chatbot has the ability to deliver a diagnosis to a "virtual user" on a site such as Twitter/X, Facebook, WebMD, etc if said user inputs their symptoms. So the question becomes: should a patient/user be made aware they are discussing a medical diagnosis with a human MD v. an AI chatbot? And should government have the ability to regulate a social media site which is allowing the above practice (or like practices) to occur?

I, personally, would want to know I am communicating with an MD or an AI chatbot. That would have great impact on the level of seriousness I take the "diagnosis". But if we are in a "public town square" and government cannot regulate speech on this "public town square" is it simply "buyer/user beware"?
 
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Sad person using one example vs thousands of other examples.
Your "thousands of examples" are a statistically meaningless fraction of twitters data problem. Your examples, quite literally, represent 0.0000% of the posts that twitter has handled in the timeframe to which you refer. Which means it's a non-problem.

That's not an opinion. It's not debatable. It's an unarguable fact.

Not to mention, for every single example you might mention, thousands, maybe even millions of nearly identical posts made it past twitter's filtering logic. So in reality, nothing was censored, nothing was hidden.

I get people who haven't actually thought it through getting a little brainwashed by propaganda that tries to manipulate them into thinking there's a problem. But once someone points out these inescapable facts, to continue to try to sell such an obviously false narrative just makes people look desperately stupid. And that really is sad.
 
The argument is that Musk buying it narrowed its customer base and that Zuck giving them an alternative (that is censored like the old twitter) will create a "narrow" base that will, in fact, grow the base from nothing to something.. a gain of infinty%.

C'mon, admit it.. you understood that, right?

Why would conservatives leave X/Twitter now for Zuck's Threads while Zuck's other products censor them to varying degrees? Show me what Zuck has done to woo conservatives and I may surrender a point.
I virtually never think in terms of what liberals or conservatives might do. Because, in the US today, that would be attempting to project my way of thinking across about 80%, or 267,000,000, individuals. I think we can all agree that attempting to do that would be totally ridiculous.

So yeah, I cannot logically speak for 80% of Americans and neither can you or anybody else. But I can logically speak for a single hypothetical CEO of a hypothetical social media organization that seeks to be as profitable as possible. That person wants the largest user base possible.

And I've already factually disproven, several times now, the narrative about bias in filtering (i.e. censorship) on twitter. The math simply doesn't work. It's not happening. Citing anecdotes cannot make it true. Musk ordereding a highly selective release of a relative few internal communications doesn't make it true. It's not a thing. It's a myth.
 
It's simple , accept lies ( Fox cable junkies included) X marks the spot
What the truth , put new Threads on.
 
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Your "thousands of examples" are a statistically meaningless fraction of twitters data problem. Your examples, quite literally, represent 0.0000% of the posts that twitter has handled in the timeframe to which you refer. Which means it's a non-problem.

That's not an opinion. It's not debatable. It's an unarguable fact.

Not to mention, for every single example you might mention, thousands, maybe even millions of nearly identical posts made it past twitter's filtering logic. So in reality, nothing was censored, nothing was hidden.

I get people who haven't actually thought it through getting a little brainwashed by propaganda that tries to manipulate them into thinking there's a problem. But once someone points out these inescapable facts, to continue to try to sell such an obviously false narrative just makes people look desperately stupid. And that really is sad.

Government on either side shouldnt be policing twitter or Facebook
 
It's simple , accept lies ( Fox cable junkies included) X marks the spot
What the truth , put new Threads on.
Your such a fool if you think Threads will be 100% factual. You could be in one of them commercials "I read it on the internet, it must be true"
Still mad Musk exposed the censorship I see
 
Government on either side shouldnt be policing twitter or Facebook
I agree, in theory.

But they don't, in practice. They issue requests where it involves national security or public health and safety (i.e. terrorism). Social media and other internet platforms or non-internet media outlets are free to cooperate or not.
I don't know about you, but I want the government stepping in ask issuing those requests. And I want the government to publicize when at attack succeeds because an organization failed to cooperate with a request that would have prevented that attack.

It's up to the private organizations to decide what to do. Although the details aren't generally made public, the government is refused plenty of times where the organizations decide the case for the threat isn't strong enough.

Sometimes stuff becomes public and gets blown way out of proportion which is easy to do because the details are often classified so people can make up whatever partial-truth narratives they want and neither the private media organization nor the government can respond to correct the disinformation. Such is life in a free society.
 
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