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Couldn't get a big donation or donations like PSU, so they abandoned plans after 5 yrs in 2022 (who knew it was that long ago):



“After more than five years of extensive evaluation and intense effort to generate interest and support, we have determined that it is not viable to bring Division I men’s ice hockey to the University of Illinois at this time.

Since we began our exploration of hockey years ago, meaningful landscape changes have pushed us to this unfortunate conclusion. We have stated repeatedly that we would not advance the hockey project without a sound funding and financial plan. To date, we have been unable to generate the financial support necessary to greenlight the project — a concern that grew even more daunting through the pandemic, when we saw cost projections for the new facility increase by 30%.

In addition, as has been well documented, college athletics is now existing in an incredibly fluid, dynamic environment, including Alston awards, NIL, and student-athlete employment rights. We are investing heavily in new benefits for student-athletes, which increases the marginal cost associated with any new sport offerings. Such intense disruption has created ambiguity about the future, and we believe it unwise for Illinois Athletics to expand our sport model in such an uncertain environment.

And lastly, we have long championed the addition of hockey as an opportunity to address needs in our sports of volleyball, wrestling, and gymnastics. As a result, we have delayed other potential investments in those sports while we continued our pursuit of hockey and the downtown facility it would require. In recent months, as the odds of adding hockey have diminished, various opportunities to advance some of these other sports have developed. We are now choosing to pursue those opportunities, which effectively minimizes some of the intended value of the downtown facility to DIA.

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We believe the interest in hockey and the opportunity for the sport to succeed here is very real. You never say never in this business, and if the right opportunity were to present itself down the road, we would always be willing to reconsider. That said, due to other programmatic priorities and needs, we can no longer allocate human and financial resources toward the ongoing pursuit of this project. My heart believes that we can support hockey, but my head tells me it is time to direct our attention elsewhere. We must continue the upward momentum that Illinois Athletics has created in recent years, and that will require the focused energy of our staff and our community in the years ahead.
Yeah. I read that when it came out.

Not everyone has a Pegula (State Penn) or a Koch (Wisky) at their disposal.

But if a facility was built by someone else, like in Iowa, the lift is not nearly as heavy.
 
Yeah. I read that when it came out.

Not everyone has a Pegula (State Penn) or a Koch (Wisky) at their disposal.

But if a facility was built by someone else, like in Iowa, the lift is not nearly as heavy.
Why would someone build a facility in New Brunswick or Piscataway? ASU built Mullett Arena and got ~$20M from the Coyotes to make it NHL ready. Didn't Devco determine it wasn't viable many years ago? Does @Cofifa still post here?

It's a lot more expensive than you think. This article estimated ~$4.5M/B1G school ($3.6M-$5.9M). Even if someone built an arena, we'd have to pay substantial lease payments to use it, and fund 52 scholarships (26 men's and women's), among other expenses, so we'd probably have to cut 4-6 current sports to even consider it.
 
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Why would someone build a facility in New Brunswick or Piscataway? ASU built Mullett Arena and got ~$20M from the Coyotes to make it NHL ready. Didn't Devco determine it wasn't viable many years ago? Does @Cofifa still post here?

It's a lot more expensive than you think. This article estimated ~$4.5M/B1G school ($3.6M-$5.9M). Even if someone built an arena, we'd have to pay substantial lease payments to use it, and fund 52 scholarships (26 men's and women's), among other expenses, so we'd probably have to cut 4-6 current sports to even consider it.
Well worth getting rid of other sports since men’s hockey would be a huge revenue source (after football and men’s BB).
 
Why would someone build a facility in New Brunswick or Piscataway? ASU built Mullett Arena and got ~$20M from the Coyotes to make it NHL ready. Didn't Devco determine it wasn't viable many years ago? Does @Cofifa still post here?

It's a lot more expensive than you think. This article estimated ~$4.5M/B1G school ($3.6M-$5.9M). Even if someone built an arena, we'd have to pay substantial lease payments to use it, and fund 52 scholarships (26 men's and women's), among other expenses, so we'd probably have to cut 4-6 current sports to even consider it.
If it’s on campus you get a $2M stipend from the B1G because they know how expensive hockey is to operate.

State Penn had a similar deal for their baseball facility as ASU did for the hockey one. But then MLB reorganized the minors and just like ASU, since the Coyotes are now in Utah, they have a great place almost to themselves.

Right now only FB, MBB and WBB fund everyone.

The Cure in Trenton would love a consistent tenant. It’s about the same distance from RU like the XL Center in Hartford is from Storrs. Which is what UCan’t does now.

Pipe dream? Probably. But I’ll take a hit (thread on this) every chance I get.😎
 
Well worth getting rid of other sports since men’s hockey would be a huge revenue source (after football and men’s BB).
I don’t know about huge, but I bet the BTN, CBSSN and possibly ESPN at some point would love the extra live inventory.
 
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The coast in Maine is great but still too crowded for my liking. I live out in the woods about 45 minutes from the ocean.
Had a buddy with an old-timey family camp on a lake west of Augusta.. it was like On Golden Pond. Nice stuff.
 
Rutgers would need to build a 5,000 seat facility probably to be considered for inclusion. And NJ would be tough for recruiting. NJ has produced some very strong talent recently, but there isn't any depth to the talent pool. And a lot of NJ kids that make it first have to ship out of state to a NEPSAC high school or somewhere in the midwest, so for recruiting purposes they are not really NJ kids anymore anyway.
You can recruit the USHL, Canada and several northeast and northern states to put together a decent roster. You can also go to Europe like Sweden, Finland, Norway for players as well.
 
Quinnipiac. But every year I do buy a Princeton 3 pack. Love going to Hobey Baker. I was at the Army - Vermont game last Sunday. We watched Army Men's basketball beat UTSA earlier in the day. West Point double header. Army is another school with the dual basketball/hockey arenas.
Was at Quinnipiac last night watching them take on my alma mater. College hockey is fun and easy to enjoy. It's a shame that there are so few options in the New Jersey area.
 
Well worth getting rid of other sports since men’s hockey would be a huge revenue source (after football and men’s BB).

If it’s on campus you get a $2M stipend from the B1G because they know how expensive hockey is to operate.

State Penn had a similar deal for their baseball facility as ASU did for the hockey one. But then MLB reorganized the minors and just like ASU, since the Coyotes are now in Utah, they have a great place almost to themselves.

Right now only FB, MBB and WBB fund everyone.

The Cure in Trenton would love a consistent tenant. It’s about the same distance from RU like the XL Center in Hartford is from Storrs. Which is what UCan’t does now.

Pipe dream? Probably. But I’ll take a hit (thread on this) every chance I get.😎
Here are Minnesota's financials. I don't see the $2M B1G stipend anywhere, so where or how is that accounted for and distributed? Is it a 1 time payment? Only men's ice hockey makes good revenue (~$5M or so/B1G school), but even then, schools like Minnesota lost money (~$270k), so they're not profitable, but that's a rounding error, so not a huge issue. Women's ice hockey, like women's basketball, loses a ton of money at most schools.

FB generated ~80% of revenue, MBB ~15% and everything else ~5%. WBB doesn't fund anything at most schools and expenses are 5x-15x revenue (~$500K rev at Rutgers, ~$750k rev at Minnesota, Iowa is obviously the outlier with Clark generating good $).

I don't see hockey ever coming here for those costs, unless we get huge donations to build an arena and fund the scholarships.
 
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Well worth getting rid of other sports since men’s hockey would be a huge revenue source (after football and men’s BB).
I wouldn’t call it a huge revenue source. Even with a fully paid for arena and fully endowed scholarship Penn State Men’s hockey program barely make $1 million a year. To expect it to become a revenue source is unrealistic.
 
I wouldn’t call it a huge revenue source. Even with a fully paid for arena and fully endowed scholarship Penn State Men’s hockey program barely make $1 million a year. To expect it to become a revenue source is unrealistic.
Fair point since it's expensive to maintain, but if we had hockey season tickets would be sold out. Concessions and parking would produce good revenue.

I haven't looked into the details on this link, but assume it's gross revenue. PSU does better than I expected.

 
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Was at Quinnipiac last night watching them take on my alma mater. College hockey is fun and easy to enjoy. It's a shame that there are so few options in the New Jersey area.
You kicked our butt. Quinnipiac is in a reset year with all the freshman this year, but Tellier (former Quinnipiac player) was motivated to beat his old team. College hockey games are very fan & family friendly. That is why I think it would be a big draw here.

Army, Princeton and LIU are the closest programs in the area. I can get to Quinnipiac in 90 minutes so I attend games often.
 
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Because of the bigger ice surface colleges use compared to the smaller NHL ice sheet, you pretty much need an on campus arena????
 
Because of the bigger ice surface colleges use compared to the smaller NHL ice sheet, you pretty much need an on campus arena????
Almost all college teams have gone to an NHL size rink. Two of the longtime hold outs were Minnesota and New Hampshire and they converted to NHL size in the last 2-5 years. Lake Placid still has the larger sheet which causes issues for teams since the ECAC conference semis/finals are held there.
 
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Almost all college teams have gone to an NHL size rink. Two of the longtime hold outs were Minnesota and New Hampshire and they converted to NHL size in the last 2-5 years. Lake Placid still has the larger sheet which causes issues for teams since the ECAC conference semis/finals are held there.
In talking to my ex D 1 hockey buddies, they told me the trend was opposite 124?
I also thought it was weird.
I’m sure you are correct.
I played at West Point when I was playing juniors back in the day… that rink was enormous (international size)
 
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You kicked our butt. Quinnipiac is in a reset year with all the freshman this year, but Tellier (former Quinnipiac player) was motivated to beat his old team. College hockey games are very fan & family friendly. That is why I think it would be a big draw here.

Army, Princeton and LIU are the closest programs in the area. I can get to Quinnipiac in 90 minutes so I attend games often.
Yeah, that was probably our best game in awhile. Been a very up & down year for us. But we lost one of our top scorers to the portal (went to OSU).

It was Star Wars night and the arena was loaded with young kids. So I agree on the family friendly part.

Your arena gave us a good comparison since we have to replace Matthews Arena and the new one will be 4,000 seats which is slightly bigger than yours. Also loved the side by side basketball & hockey setups. We don’t have space for that being an urban campus.
 
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In talking to my ex D 1 hockey buddies, they told me the trend was opposite 124?
I also thought it was weird.
I’m sure you are correct.
I played at West Point when I was playing juniors back in the day… that rink was enormous (international size)
The trend is definitely smaller with only Colorado College and Alaska-Anchorage remaining. While doing a Google on it I read that both of those teams no longer play games on the larger sheet / use other local arenas. Here is a nice article from 2023 when Minnesota was reduced.

 
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Yeah, that was probably our best game in awhile. Been a very up & down year for us. But we lost one of our top scorers to the portal (went to OSU).

It was Star Wars night and the arena was loaded with young kids. So I agree on the family friendly part.

Your arena gave us a good comparison since we have to replace Matthews Arena and the new one will be 4,000 seats which is slightly bigger than yours. Also loved the side by side basketball & hockey setups. We don’t have space for that being an urban campus.
I have been trying to get to Matthews one last time. My company is Boston based so I am hoping for a "convenient" meeting up there. I do love the dual arenas. Makes a lot of sense if you have the room.
 
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Ahaa
You’re a husky?
Who been to RPI’s home rink?
Houston Field House. I love the old arenas. I usually try to do the double RPI/Union when Quinnipiac plays up there. ECAC pairs their teams regionally for games Fri/Sat night. Or at least hit RPI on the way to sking in VT for a Friday night game.
 
Almost all college teams have gone to an NHL size rink. Two of the longtime hold outs were Minnesota and New Hampshire and they converted to NHL size in the last 2-5 years. Lake Placid still has the larger sheet which causes issues for teams since the ECAC conference semis/finals are held there.

In talking to my ex D 1 hockey buddies, they told me the trend was opposite 124?
I also thought it was weird.
I’m sure you are correct.
I played at West Point when I was playing juniors back in the day… that rink was enormous (international size)
My older boy was defenseman in college. Not the biggest guy by any means but smart (engineer) and as physical as he could be.

The first time he played on Olympic ice he thought he measured up his man on his opening shift but forgot to calculate the extra width. That player went right by him. LOL
 
I have been trying to get to Matthews one last time. My company is Boston based so I am hoping for a "convenient" meeting up there. I do love the dual arenas. Makes a lot of sense if you have the room.
My kid played at Matthews a couple times in late December for the Mayor's cup. Nice that she was able to get in there before it falls down, which based on my visual inspection could happen any day now.
 
I have been trying to get to Matthews one last time. My company is Boston based so I am hoping for a "convenient" meeting up there. I do love the dual arenas. Makes a lot of sense if you have the room.

My kid played at Matthews a couple times in late December for the Mayor's cup. Nice that she was able to get in there before it falls down, which based on my visual inspection could happen any day now.
Who is getting a new one? Northeastern or BU?
 
Would we need an on campus rink? So many facilities within a 45 minute drive at least to start.
UCan’t does it with the XL Center in Hartford. Which is about the same distance from Storrs as the Cure in Trenton is from NB and Piscataway.

But…the Huskies DO have a legitimate, albeit a lot smaller, facility on campus. Used for practice, lesser games and their women’s side.
 
UCan’t does it with the XL Center in Hartford. Which is about the same distance from Storrs as the Cure in Trenton is from NB and Piscataway.

But…the Huskies DO have a legitimate, albeit a lot smaller, facility on campus. Used for practice, lesser games and their women’s side.

there is pro skate in So. Brunwsick. I recall seeing Princeton women's team practicing there a few times when I lived there.
 
there is pro skate in So. Brunwsick. I recall seeing Princeton women's team practicing there a few times when I lived there.
I believe the Rutgers Club Team plays their games there. If we ever had a D1 program we would definitely want an on campus facility just from a practice and recruiting perspective.
 
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UCan’t does it with the XL Center in Hartford. Which is about the same distance from Storrs as the Cure in Trenton is from NB and Piscataway.

But…the Huskies DO have a legitimate, albeit a lot smaller, facility on campus. Used for practice, lesser games and their women’s side.
Hockey east has what I thought was a 5k arena size stipulation, which as I recall is why Uconn had to agree to drive 45 mins. If NU is really building a 4k seat facility then I guess everything is negotiable. But the big ten isn't going to admit a team whose home rink is, like, south mountain arena.

Incidentally Both BC and NU are often made homeless for practices due to basketball games, so I have randomly run into their practices at various rinks while trucking my kids around. Northeastern was practicing in Cambridge a few weeks ago in the afternoon and it was a trip to watch them practice. The coach likes to go all in for the performative yelling. I thought he was going to bust a few veins in his forehead.
 
Both actually. Walter Brown is being redone....which is adding to Northeastern's headache since that was probably the original temp location.
Was not aware that was occurring with WB. BU is definitely not going to let them use Agganis.

The person I was at the game with is personal friends with our AD and he even admitted that they were not sure yet where they would play once Matthews is torn down.
 
I have been trying to get to Matthews one last time. My company is Boston based so I am hoping for a "convenient" meeting up there. I do love the dual arenas. Makes a lot of sense if you have the room.
Go soon, only half the arena is used for seating now due to the structural issues.
 
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Was not aware that was occurring with WB. BU is definitely not going to let them use Agganis.

The person I was at the game with is personal friends with our AD and he even admitted that they were not sure yet where they would play once Matthews is torn down.
Warrior arena is a good option for the ladies, and they have room now that the Women's pro league has relocated to Lowell. But it only seats 1,000. Could be the men do some at the Garden and some at Warrior. Or could be that Walter Brown is done fast and they play there in the red and white with the huge BOSTON UNIVERSITY letters across the wall 😊.
 
Hockey east has what I thought was a 5k arena size stipulation, which as I recall is why Uconn had to agree to drive 45 mins. If NU is really building a 4k seat facility, then I guess everything is negotiable. *But the big ten isn't going to admit a team whose home rink is, like, south mountain arena.
Friendly with a guy whose son played for UCONN a while back, and he told me HockeyEast wasn't really a fan of the set up. He said they were told...make the one on campus better and also a little bigger.

I think though Northeastern is a little bit more of a blueblood and they could go with that number or maybe the 5K thing changed.

*They might for an already full member. With the stipulation something a little bigger down the road happens. Cure is fine for TV, Codey not so much. Same with the Barn for WVB. BTN didn't like it or couldn't use it for their production.
 
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Friendly with a guy whose son played for UCONN a while back, and he told me HockeyEast wasn't really a fan of the set up. He said they were told...make the one on campus better and also a little bigger.

I think though Northeastern is a little bit more of a blueblood and they could go with that number or maybe the 5K thing changed.

*They might for an already full member. With the stipulation something a little bigger down the road happens. Cure is fine for TV, Codey not so much. Same with the Barn for WVB. BTN didn't like it or couldn't use it for their production.
Haha, I almost spit out my lunch reading this. Northeastern and blue blood have never met. We’ve never won a men’s natty. BC & BU are the real Hockey East blue bloods. Maine was almost there in the late 80s early 90s but then fell off.

NU is sort of like Rutgers. Lots of losing with some good stretches until the last 10 years where we’ve done well consistently and won a number of Beanpots.

We are not thrilled with the 4k capacity but have space limitations. Our campus is one contiguous space unlike BU’s which stretches for miles up Commonwealth Ave. Their students have to take the T to get to classes as a result where you can walk the NU campus for everything.

BTW we’re not having a great year but our fans are not screaming for the hockey coach’s head like people are screaming for Pike’s or even Greg’s midseason.
 
Haha, I almost spit out my lunch reading this. Northeastern and blue blood have never met. We’ve never won a men’s natty. BC & BU are the real Hockey East blue bloods. Maine was almost there in the late 80s early 90s but then fell off.

NU is sort of like Rutgers. Lots of losing with some good stretches until the last 10 years where we’ve done well consistently and won a number of Beanpots.

We are not thrilled with the 4k capacity but have space limitations. Our campus is one contiguous space unlike BU’s which stretches for miles up Commonwealth Ave. Their students have to take the T to get to classes as a result where you can walk the NU campus for everything.

BTW we’re not having a great year but our fans are not screaming for the hockey coach’s head like people are screaming for Pike’s or even Greg’s midseason.
Well you’re blue enough for me.🙂

My nephew went they as was a student for a Beanpot win. Said it was a fun time.

Niece (other side of the family) works there now. Something in the student travel office.
 
Well you’re blue enough for me.🙂

My nephew went they as was a student for a Beanpot win. Said it was a fun time.

Niece (other side of the family) works there now. Something in the student travel office.
Watching the Benapot live is a great thing. You should try to see one in person or at least the championship game since it’s two Monday’s.

The upper level of the old Boston Garden would shake if both student sections were next to each other and a play caused both to jump from their seats simultaneously. Fun times and the watch parties for those games are one of our biggest alumni events every year.
 
Watching the Benapot live is a great thing. You should try to see one in person or at least the championship game since it’s two Monday’s.

The upper level of the old Boston Garden would shake if both student sections were next to each other and a play caused both to jump from their seats simultaneously. Fun times and the watch parties for those games are one of our biggest alumni events every year.
I bought last minute tickets for the hockey east final BU vs Merrimack a year and a half ago. That was a blast also. Felt bad for the poor Merrimack kids....so close, and they don't often get that far. But BU had Lane Hutson that year and that kid was just nuts....all 5 foot 9 of him.
 
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Haha, I almost spit out my lunch reading this. Northeastern and blue blood have never met. We’ve never won a men’s natty. BC & BU are the real Hockey East blue bloods. Maine was almost there in the late 80s early 90s but then fell off.

NU is sort of like Rutgers. Lots of losing with some good stretches until the last 10 years where we’ve done well consistently and won a number of Beanpots.

We are not thrilled with the 4k capacity but have space limitations. Our campus is one contiguous space unlike BU’s which stretches for miles up Commonwealth Ave. Their students have to take the T to get to classes as a result where you can walk the NU campus for everything.

BTW we’re not having a great year but our fans are not screaming for the hockey coach’s head like people are screaming for Pike’s or even Greg’s midseason.
I think your analogy isnt great.

I have been following Rutgers sports since the 70’s and have never gotten the payoff NU fans have in consistently beating their rivals in the Beanpot.
 
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