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OT: Bruno Was the Man, Coldplay The LGBT Crowd/ Bey?

It is the NFL fault for dragging out the Super bowl into February (Black history month)
If they kept it in January non of this crap would have happened:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
PS another reason to skip halftime at the SB
I guess she outdid LaToilet Jackson's move
It is all about attention
 
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I don't see how it's racist to be against police shootings. Nor is she a cow.

How many NRA members are boycotting after Ted Nugent's anti-Semetic facebook rant?

She's absolutely a cow. I don't know about you, but I prefer my women look a little less like Hulk Hogan.

As for the racism, the soul and spirit of the NBPP is entirely racist. I'm not going to debate you on that. It's not open to question.
 
She's absolutely a cow. I don't know about you, but I prefer my women look a little less like Hulk Hogan.

As for the racism, the soul and spirit of the NBPP is entirely racist. I'm not going to debate you on that. It's not open to question.

I think if you asked most men to name the top 5 celebrities they would bang, she would make the cut.

I think the whole Black Panthers thing is a gigantic stretch. Her uniform looked like the same one Michael Jackson used when he performed, and if a beret is political it may have been about Che Guevara or France. If Beyonce hates white people, she is going to have a chilly reception among most people who go to her concerts and buy her music, who are overwhelmingly white.

I really cannot see why anyone is getting worked up about this, much less rainbows. This to me is a dog whistle for people whose main issue is Beyonce being allowed to perform in the first place.
 
I think if you asked most men to name the top 5 celebrities they would bang, she would make the cut.

I think the whole Black Panthers thing is a gigantic stretch. Her uniform looked like the same one Michael Jackson used when he performed, and if a beret is political it may have been about Che Guevara or France. If Beyonce hates white people, she is going to have a chilly reception among most people who go to her concerts and buy her music, who are overwhelmingly white.

I really cannot see why anyone is getting worked up about this, much less rainbows. This to me is a dog whistle for people whose main issue is Beyonce being allowed to perform in the first place.

You're the exact same way, just from the opposite side of the spectrum.
 
I think if you asked most men to name the top 5 celebrities they would bang, she would make the cut.

I think the whole Black Panthers thing is a gigantic stretch. Her uniform looked like the same one Michael Jackson used when he performed, and if a beret is political it may have been about Che Guevara or France. If Beyonce hates white people, she is going to have a chilly reception among most people who go to her concerts and buy her music, who are overwhelmingly white.

I really cannot see why anyone is getting worked up about this, much less rainbows. This to me is a dog whistle for people whose main issue is Beyonce being allowed to perform in the first place.


lmfao...no I don't think she is in the top 5 of bangable women out there...wow just wow, there is more to the world than minorities top 5
 
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I think if you asked most men to name the top 5 celebrities they would bang, she would make the cut.

I think the whole Black Panthers thing is a gigantic stretch. Her uniform looked like the same one Michael Jackson used when he performed, and if a beret is political it may have been about Che Guevara or France. If Beyonce hates white people, she is going to have a chilly reception among most people who go to her concerts and buy her music, who are overwhelmingly white.

I really cannot see why anyone is getting worked up about this, much less rainbows. This to me is a dog whistle for people whose main issue is Beyonce being allowed to perform in the first place.
NIRH-
I have a serious question for you and I want you to answer it truthfully and honestly…OK?
Do you think anyone on this board believes or preferred Beyonce NOT perform at the Super Bowl because she is black?
 
Of course black lives matter.
But Black Lives Matter has become much more than that
and is tainted by an anti-cop agenda.
The same people who would call you a racist for painting all blacks with a broad brush
of negativity have no problem painting cops that way.
 
We should poll the African American players on our team
what they think about the halftime show. Scary culture here.
I would think most of of our African American players would say entertainment value should be the most important element to the half time show.
I think they would agree it's not the venue to celebrate a single race or movement in our society.
 
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So speaking against police brutality towards blacks is racist? There lies the problem. The privileged refuse to acknowledge there's a problem. I agree that she may not have needed to choose that song for the Super Bowl, but then again, if u need a platform to voice ur frustration, then what better stage than that? But those of u complaining are the ones who continue to choose sides rep vs dem. White vs black. Guns vs no guns, Obama this Obama that. How about acknowledging American issues and speaking up for injustices regardless of race? That will never be possible when people complain about the symbols that represent the black panthers, instead of the issue on why they were formed.
 
So speaking against police brutality towards blacks is racist? There lies the problem. The privileged refuse to acknowledge there's a problem. I agree that she may not have needed to choose that song for the Super Bowl, but then again, if u need a platform to voice ur frustration, then what better stage than that? But those of u complaining are the ones who continue to choose sides rep vs dem. White vs black. Guns vs no guns, Obama this Obama that. How about acknowledging American issues and speaking up for injustices regardless of race? That will never be possible when people complain about the symbols that represent the black panthers, instead of the issue on why they were formed.
Beyonce and Jay Z's bank account is a shinning example of the injustice in this country. LOL
Work hard and you can do or be anything you want in this great country would be a far better message…
 
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So speaking against police brutality towards blacks is racist? There lies the problem. The privileged refuse to acknowledge there's a problem. I agree that she may not have needed to choose that song for the Super Bowl, but then again, if u need a platform to voice ur frustration, then what better stage than that? But those of u complaining are the ones who continue to choose sides rep vs dem. White vs black. Guns vs no guns, Obama this Obama that. How about acknowledging American issues and speaking up for injustices regardless of race? That will never be possible when people complain about the symbols that represent the black panthers, instead of the issue on why they were formed.
The bigger problem is that BLM was born out of a bunch of lies. "Hands up don't shoot" etc. there are injustices and major race issues in this country but entire movements based on lies aren't going to help. If people really cared they would look at both sides and try to find common ground. Should police departments be less militarized? Should cops try harder to create good will? Better outreach programs? Should African American leaders speak about the importance of family values? Accountability? Education over crime? Fathers actually sticking around and helping out? All legitimate questions but these movements don't want actual solutions they want sound bites.
 
The bigger problem is that BLM was born out of a bunch of lies. "Hands up don't shoot" etc. there are injustices and major race issues in this country but entire movements based on lies aren't going to help. If people really cared they would look at both sides and try to find common ground. Should police departments be less militarized? Should cops try harder to create good will? Better outreach programs? Should African American leaders speak about the importance of family values? Accountability? Education over crime? Fathers actually sticking around and helping out? All legitimate questions but these movements don't want actual solutions they want sound bites.
Say what you want about the Ferguson situation, but the BLM movement is a product of an issue that has existed for a very long time, it just now has a platform that is available to the masses. And be honest, the people who discredit the movement would still discredit it if the circumstances weren't as murky as they were in Ferguson. If Tamir Rice/Cleveland was the perceived born date of the movement the negative comments would still exist.
 
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So speaking against police brutality towards blacks is racist? There lies the problem. The privileged refuse to acknowledge there's a problem. I agree that she may not have needed to choose that song for the Super Bowl, but then again, if u need a platform to voice ur frustration, then what better stage than that? But those of u complaining are the ones who continue to choose sides rep vs dem. White vs black. Guns vs no guns, Obama this Obama that. How about acknowledging American issues and speaking up for injustices regardless of race? That will never be possible when people complain about the symbols that represent the black panthers, instead of the issue on why they were formed.

Who are the Privileged? Please answer, I want to see who educated you on this silliness.
 
The bigger problem is that BLM was born out of a bunch of lies. "Hands up don't shoot" etc. there are injustices and major race issues in this country but entire movements based on lies aren't going to help. If people really cared they would look at both sides and try to find common ground. Should police departments be less militarized? Should cops try harder to create good will? Better outreach programs? Should African American leaders speak about the importance of family values? Accountability? Education over crime? Fathers actually sticking around and helping out? All legitimate questions but these movements don't want actual solutions they want sound bites.

They don't want sound bites but they'll take them. They want power. Like every other movement on the Left - it's not about the subject, it's about how you can use the subject to beat your political enemies over the head with it for more political power. BLM is Tawana Brawley and Al Sharpton writ large.
 
Say what you want about the Ferguson situation, but the BLM movement is a product of an issue that has existed for a very long time, it just now has a platform that is available to the masses. And be honest, the people who discredit the movement would still discredit it if the circumstances weren't as murky as they were in Ferguson. If Tamir Rice/Cleveland was the perceived born date of the movement the negative comments would still exist.
So "Fake but True"? LOL.
 
Say what you want about the Ferguson situation, but the BLM movement is a product of an issue that has existed for a very long time, it just now has a platform that is available to the masses. And be honest, the people who discredit the movement would still discredit it if the circumstances weren't as murky as they were in Ferguson. If Tamir Rice/Cleveland was the perceived born date of the movement the negative comments would still exist.
I'm discrediting the movement because the movement is complete crap. The movement was never about change or finding common ground, it has always been about power. I'm not a fan of many of President Obama's policies but I think his biggest failure will go down as race relations. Huge opportunity was lost and it's sad that things have actually gotten worse under his watch.
 
I'm discrediting the movement because the movement is complete crap. The movement was never about change or finding common ground, it has always been about power. I'm not a fan of many of President Obama's policies but I think his biggest failure will go down as race relations. Huge opportunity was lost and it's sad that things have actually gotten worse under his watch.
I disagree. Before Obama's presidency these issues weren't even part of the national dialogue, you couldn't talk about them. I am sorry that you feel uncomfortable dealing with a real topic that is no longer in the shadows. It is easy for a person who doesn't deal with the day to day reality of the race relations issue to think that the conversation and the President's policies are a failure. The people who kept this issue in the shadows for so long are why the voices against racism are louder and getting a larger platform. People affected by racism are sick of getting lip service. I am sure they are sorry you felt uncomfortable during halftime of the Super Bowl while you watched on your couch.
 
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Please, grown ups are trying to have a conversation. Go be outraged about something ridiculous like the football board war against conservative topics.

You essentially posted Fake but True and that earns me an insult. You sure you're a grown-up?
 
I disagree. Before Obama's presidency these issues weren't even part of the national dialogue, you couldn't talk about them. I am sorry that you feel uncomfortable dealing with a real topic that is no longer in the shadows. It is easy for a person who doesn't deal with the day to day reality of the race relations issue to think that the conversation and the President's policies are a failure. The people who kept this issue in the shadows for so long are why the voices against racism are louder and getting a larger platform. People affected by racism are sick of getting lip service. I am sure they are sorry you felt uncomfortable during halftime of the Super Bowl while you watched on your couch.

Well if you think celebrating the Black Panthers during the NFL halftime show is a good thing it says more about you than you think it does. Rapists and murderers. Race relations we're doing pretty well in this country until obama and the other leftists decided to incite racial problems to further their political agenda.

“Rape was an insurrectionary act,” Eldridge Cleaver wrote in Soul on Ice of transitioning from sexual assaults on black women to whites. “It delighted me that I was defying and trampling upon the white man’s law, upon his system of values, and that I was defiling his women”

You sure you don't want to retract your points or are you happy being a "Useful Idiot"?
 
I disagree. Before Obama's presidency these issues weren't even part of the national dialogue, you couldn't talk about them. I am sorry that you feel uncomfortable dealing with a real topic that is no longer in the shadows. It is easy for a person who doesn't deal with the day to day reality of the race relations issue to think that the conversation and the President's policies are a failure. The people who kept this issue in the shadows for so long are why the voices against racism are louder and getting a larger platform. People affected by racism are sick of getting lip service. I am sure they are sorry you felt uncomfortable during halftime of the Super Bowl while you watched on your couch.

Puh-leeze... People have been talking about police violence forever. The difference in the last seven years is that the radical black "movement"-based organizations like the NBPP have been given cover by Holder's DoJ, which has led to resistance in the path of the real dialog.

As @RUScrew85 has tried to point out, most of the static isn't about finding real solutions to real problems. Most of it is about a small subset of political capitalists trying to co-opt legitimate topics in an effort to further line their pockets.

This is tragic, in the sense that it discolors any substantive discussion about the fact that the cops do, about 1 time in 5, shoot people who are completely unarmed. But to paint the issue as "a black lives" issue" discolors the discussion, as well. Half the people shot by the police, armed or unarmed, are white. Thirty percent are black. Roughly twenty percent are hispanic. Two in a hundred are Asian.

The issue that people of pale color have with things like BLM is that they steadfastly paint a picture of some kind of law enforcement war against blacks, which is patently absurd. Trigger happy cops are shootin' all kindsa people all up in there. A 20% f*ckup rate is too high, regardless of the color of the victim. Unfortunately as long as the issue is presented as purely racial, no meaningful dialog will be had.

All of which completely ignores some fundamental logic which applies to everyone, black, white, yellow or green. The simple fact of the matter is that anyone can dramatically reduce their chances of being shot by the cops, to something approaching zero, by following a few simple guidelines:

Don't deal drugs.

Stop stealin' shit.

Don't punch a cop in the face while he's sitting in his car.
 
I thought other than ColdPlays first song, the show was nothing more than a visual performance (lights and sounds to detract from the quality of the performance).

They really missed the boat never having David Bowie perform. The Ziggy Stardust concert at Radio City Music Hall was the single best concert I ever attended.

RIP Starman.
 
Puh-leeze... People have been talking about police violence forever. The difference in the last seven years is that the radical black "movement"-based organizations like the NBPP have been given cover by Holder's DoJ, which has led to resistance in the path of the real dialog.

As @RUScrew85 has tried to point out, most of the static isn't about finding real solutions to real problems. Most of it is about a small subset of political capitalists trying to co-opt legitimate topics in an effort to further line their pockets.

This is tragic, in the sense that it discolors any substantive discussion about the fact that the cops do, about 1 time in 5, shoot people who are completely unarmed. But to paint the issue as "a black lives" issue" discolors the discussion, as well. Half the people shot by the police, armed or unarmed, are white. Thirty percent are black. Roughly twenty percent are hispanic. Two in a hundred are Asian.

The issue that people of pale color have with things like BLM is that they steadfastly paint a picture of some kind of law enforcement war against blacks, which is patently absurd. Trigger happy cops are shootin' all kindsa people all up in there. A 20% f*ckup rate is too high, regardless of the color of the victim. Unfortunately as long as the issue is presented as purely racial, no meaningful dialog will be had.

All of which completely ignores some fundamental logic which applies to everyone, black, white, yellow or green. The simple fact of the matter is that anyone can dramatically reduce their chances of being shot by the cops, to something approaching zero, by following a few simple guidelines:

Don't deal drugs.

Stop stealin' shit.

Don't punch a cop in the face while he's sitting in his car.
What has that talk done to curb it? Nothing. So this is what you get as a result. People are going to take the conversation in the direction they choose because the other way didn't lead to any real results.

I have said on numerous occasions that the BLM and other groups that have grown out of this policing issue are a direct result of ignoring the issue and just paying it lip service.

Just look at stop, question and frisk in NYC. Do you think police were doing those stops in the UES? Are you going to tell me there are no drugs in the UES? The vast majority of arrests from these stops were drug related (marijuana). So the illegal abuse of a legal policing tactic gets deemed unconstitutional because of its abuse, who is to blame? The abuse of police power doesn't only hurt regular citizens, it also hurts the police, because now a good tactic in police work is no longer legal because of its abuse.

That is why the conversation has changed and folks not on the shitty end of police abuse don't like it, tough luck. The country is exponentially safer than it was 2-3 decades ago, yet police have become more militarized and more flagrant in their behavior towards citizens.
 
RU 4 Real agree in part, as widow of an officer, the war on cops is real... Are their bad ones absolutely, as we are all human... But war is real, as a 63 yr old it was a Black Panther inference as in video. That is all I will say.
 
Well if you think celebrating the Black Panthers during the NFL halftime show is a good thing it says more about you than you think it does. Rapists and murderers. Race relations we're doing pretty well in this country until obama and the other leftists decided to incite racial problems to further their political agenda.

“Rape was an insurrectionary act,” Eldridge Cleaver wrote in Soul on Ice of transitioning from sexual assaults on black women to whites. “It delighted me that I was defying and trampling upon the white man’s law, upon his system of values, and that I was defiling his women”

You sure you don't want to retract your points or are you happy being a "Useful Idiot"?
Are there any "black" issues other than slavery that u have an issue with? Or that u feel like our country has not moved completeLy past and blacks suffer from it? If no, fine. If yes...what? Just curious.
 
NIRH-
I have a serious question for you and I want you to answer it truthfully and honestly…OK?
Do you think anyone on this board believes or preferred Beyonce NOT perform at the Super Bowl because she is black?

Yes. I have seen a lot of racism on this board against a variety of groups and just when I think I think the last of it came after a banning a new weed pops up. I have seen racist rants about our own players never mind Beyonce.

And look, I'm an upper middle class white guy who I'm sure a lot of BLM supporters would cast as having "white privilege." They don't know me, or know for example that I am the first person in my family to attend college, or that my great grandfather came to this country at 14 to work in a coal mine.

But that doesn't change the fact that I also know as an Italian-American (as do you) that we were once the ones getting beat up by cops and arrested for the mere crime of being the wrong skin tone.

Casting race aside, is it not troubling that the cop who killed Eric Garner was previously in trouble for abuse and was the cause of prior lawsuits against the city? Or that the cop that killed Tamir Rice was fired from his previous job for being unstable? Or that Ferguson cops regularly fine people for "manner of walking" or that they arrested reporters for reporting on protests? As a conservative, how do you feel about your tax dollars going towards bum employees and extrajudicial killings? As an American, it's a total disgrace.

The bottom line is, there is a lot of rhetoric from the right wing that to me is not about small government but more about African-Americans, among other minorities, being subject to extra levers of government overreach that white Americans are not subject to. That is the issue. And if has nothing to do with race, what is it?
 
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