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To the experts on here who know the sports of soccer and wrestling--

What would the cost be for a new Soccer practice facility for men and women?

What would the cost be for a new Wrestling practice facility?


I am talking about practice facilities that would be the best in the Big 10---"State of the Art" facilities.

With the success of the soccer programs and the wrestling program with limited resources it would seem like an incredible return on investment to upgrade these facilities and keep the best and the brightest in the state of New Jersey.

I would think that the investment would be more in the $10-20 million range versus a new basketball arena that would cost $150 million. This would seem much easier to achieve. Why hasn't this been done already?
 
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Wrestling makes money. Low overhead and some very big crowds at the RAC for Big10 matches. Soccer not so much.

RutgersUnion said:
I don't see how it would be an "incredible" return. As far as I know those sports don't make any money.
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Men's Soccer CAN be a sport that, at the least, breaks even. No question whatsoever.
 
OSU is about to build a new state of the art wrestling facility. They are paying $7.5 million.
 
Pretty sure wrestling is one of the team that is going to be housed in $75M Olympic sport facility.
 
Scourge:

Thanks for the number. $7.5 million sounds about right. I thought $10-20 million for both facilities but I am not familiar with the land acquisition costs and where these facilities would be built on Rutgers campus.
 
Here is the information about the wrestling training one:

In the works is a new training facility for the Ohio State wrestling team at a cost of $7.5 million. It would replace the existing Steelwood Athletic Training Facility, presently home to the Buckeye wrestling program as well as men's and women's gymnastics, and fencing, located west of campus, off Kenny Road. The new facility would be more centrally located to other existing athletic facilities such as Ohio Stadium, French Fieldhouse, and Schottenstein Center, as well as other new, planned facilities also outlined in Smith's presentation in Cleveland. About $2 million has been raised for the new wrestling facility, according to Smith.

Source: https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/14797
 
Wrestling is getting their own facility in the RAC. If you want to help them donate towards that project so it can become reality. They will have a new practice facility and wrestle in an 8k seat arena. They will be set and a national powerhouse.
 
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Build the same thing in NJ and how things are done and expect the same building to cost $15 million. That's just the way things are here. And there should be no land cost as there is plenty of land available near the RAC. Take out the one parking area that's used on the south and east side and relocate it to the other side of the road where there is nothing but wooded area. This way the facility could be attached to the RAC. Unless of course this is the same area projected for the basketball practice facility and parking...in which case just expand the facility more for wrestling and gymnastics.

Soccer could have a nice place adjacent to and part of the Yursack Field complex along with lacrosse and field hockey. Work with what we have that makes sense.
 
Ron Yurcak was a lacrosse player at RU. The fact that the soccer team has taken command of the facility doesn't sit well with the family.

Playing in the stadium is a nice consolation, but the team needs its own facility.
 
I live close enough to make all the home games and selling the soccer stadium idea is tough.I don't know the actual numbers but even with this great season only 1/3 the seats are filled. The prospect of taking on debt for lets say 7000-9000 receipts per 9 home games is just not great business
 
A number of schools have soccer and lacrosse share the facility. Which would be ok if you know, the lax team was allowed to use the facility that a lax grad donated. RU fail.
 
Cali has the facts here. Playing on the stadium is no big deal. Yursak need yhe artificial turf. Schools like Duke among others have very nice separate lacrosse facilities. No reason why soccer couldn't share and play on artificial turf. Same for women's field hockey and women's lacrosse.
 
With an upgraded soccer facility it actually supports Soccer, Lacrosse, and Field Hockey since they can all use the same fields. Maybe create a smaller version of Red Bull Stadium for like 10,000 to 15,000 fans without some of the ameinities to stay under $50 mil. Red Bull Stadium seats 25k. The upgraded stadium can be for games while the current proactice fields can be upgraded with team rooms, workout rooms, and meeting rooms. They would need 2 grass and probably 1 turf practice field in addition to the bubble.

This 10,000-15,000 seat stadium can be used for non-sports events too like graduations of the specialty schools, some concerts, and non-Rutgers tournaments. It probably would be a good facility to host the Big 10 tournament for some of these sports.

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Caliknight said:
Ron Yurcak was a lacrosse player at RU. The fact that the soccer team has taken command of the facility doesn't sit well with the family.

Playing in the stadium is a nice consolation, but the team needs its own facility.
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Huh?
It was built as a soccer & Lax stadium as part of the rebuild of Rutgers Stadium with money from the NJSEA.
Yurcak's family should simply feel honored that they named it for him and not anything more.
 
RUfinal4 said:
With an upgraded soccer facility it actually supports Soccer, Lacrosse, and Field Hockey since they can all use the same fields. Maybe create a smaller version of Red Bull Stadium for like 10,000 to 15,000 fans without some of the ameinities to stay under $50 mil. Red Bull Stadium seats 25k. The upgraded stadium can be for games while the current proactice fields can be upgraded with team rooms, workout rooms, and meeting rooms. They would need 2 grass and probably 1 turf practice field in addition to the bubble.

This 10,000-15,000 seat stadium can be used for non-sports events too like graduations of the specialty schools, some concerts, and non-Rutgers tournaments. It probably would be a good facility to host the Big 10 tournament for some of these sports.
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Seriously you think it a wise investment to build a 10k-15k seat stadium for teams that averaged 769, 603, 771? Big Tournaments in those sports are at the highest seeded team. So no need to build it for that. Also how many tournaments/concerts need a venue that size? You may get one or two additional events a year.
 
1) Cali, sorry, but your facts are a tad off there. It was always a soccer/lax facility, funded by the state, but named after Yurcak for a donation made by the family. Now, what the problems are, being the programs, I'm not familiar, but I finally have an idea of why you've been so angry the last 12 months or so my friend, lol!

2) 62 - sorry, but soccer needs to be on grass

3) if anything Yurcak would be renovated, where it stands, but as-is holds 5k so let's start filling it up, regularly, before any crazy talk IMHO.

4) nothing wrong with BOTH sports helping to raise the funds, for a separate facility, IMHO, so that each could have its own!
 
I've never seen the soccer/lacrosse stands EVER sold out... Not that it's such a bad thing.

I think RU soccer and lacrosse can follow the pattern in wrestling and gymnastics. Get youth sports more involved. Kids love to go to games and you can get them and/or their parents more involved in the local college team. I know RU host clinics and there are so many summer camps throughout the state, but there is no reason why they can't host one of the bests. Biggest problem is getting them there with their busy schedules.
 
Not sure why Soccer "HAS" to play on grass? Didn't matter in the Women's World Cup.

Do I think they should? Yes, definitely. And as a Cook guy why can't the turf grass guys come up with something heartier?

If the LAX guys like playing in the Stadium who am I to say otherwise. But agree the off the field stuff (S/C, training and locker rooms, etc.) hopefully will be addressed for a lot of our programs going forward.
 
Ronald Yurcak donated a lot of money to have that stadium built. More than anyone else donated. It was always for lacrosse and soccer. This is true. What it was never for was soccer and 2 lacrosse games. Maybe. I can promise you that RU would have never received that money from him if he had known how little the lacrosse team was going to use it.
 
Caliknight said:
Ronald Yurcak donated a lot of money to have that stadium built. More than anyone else donated. It was always for lacrosse and soccer. This is true. What it was never for was soccer and 2 lacrosse games. Maybe. I can promise you that RU would have never received that money from him if he had known how little the lacrosse team was going to use it.
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The NJSEA funded construction of that stadium. It's nice that Yurcak made a donation, but it had no bearing on whether the Soccer/Lax facility would be built. That, the FB stadium, and the track & field complex were all built with funds saved by the NJSEA with funds created by refinancing bonds on the Meadowlands complex.
 
AreYouNUTS said:
1) Cali, sorry, but your facts are a tad off there. It was always a soccer/lax facility, funded by the state, but named after Yurcak for a donation made by the family. Now, what the problems are, being the programs, I'm not familiar, but I finally have an idea of why you've been so angry the last 12 months or so my friend, lol!

2) 62 - sorry, but soccer needs to be on grass

3) if anything Yurcak would be renovated, where it stands, but as-is holds 5k so let's start filling it up, regularly, before any crazy talk IMHO.

4) nothing wrong with BOTH sports helping to raise the funds, for a separate facility, IMHO, so that each could have its own!
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Nuts- it doesn't need to be renovated, more like updated. The locker rooms there are ummmm, spartan. That is kind. There is no video, the sound system is pretty awful, and the whole thing is generic. It needs updating. Check out where some of the other B1G teams play ball. That is what we are competing with now. The stadium will do for now for the lax team, but they need a proper locker room first and foremost. In some amazing fashion, it has gotten worse than when I was there 20 years ago.
 
e5fdny said:
Not sure why Soccer "HAS" to play on grass? Didn't matter in the Women's World Cup.

Do I think they should? Yes, definitely. And as a Cook guy why can't the turf grass guys come up with something heartier?

If the LAX guys like playing in the Stadium who am I to say otherwise. But agree the off the field stuff (S/C, training and locker rooms, etc.) hopefully will be addressed for a lot of our programs going forward.
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The Women's World Cup was played on turf over the protests of many of the players (70 of whom were willing to sign a petition to FIFA about it), not least because every other major soccer championship is played on grass.
 
Scarlet16E said:
The NJSEA funded construction of that stadium. It's nice that Yurcak made a donation, but it had no bearing on whether the Soccer/Lax facility would be built. That, the FB stadium, and the track & field complex were all built with funds saved by the NJSEA with funds created by refinancing bonds on the Meadowlands complex.
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Maybe, maybe not. I can just tell you they would have never gotten those funds, which if I recall, weren't insignificant.
 
BeKnighted said:
The Women's World Cup was played on turf over the protests of many of the players (70 of whom were willing to sign a petition to FIFA about it), not least because every other major soccer championship is played on grass.
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MLS teams play on turf. I think a college team in the NE can.
 
BeKnighted said:
The Women's World Cup was played on turf over the protests of many of the players (70 of whom were willing to sign a petition to FIFA about it), not least because every other major soccer championship is played on grass.
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And yet the games went on.

Caliknight said:
MLS teams play on turf. I think a college team in the NE can.
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Agree. But only if there are no other options.

But again, as a Cook grad why can't we do something IN HOUSE and make the pitch/field itself state of the art. I would prefer it to stay grass.
 
Nothing will happen without major private donations. Heck, I fear that we lack the money to fire our over-his-head FB HC, let alone build facilities (though absolutely needed - I follow all RU sports) for Olympic sports
 
e5fdny said:
And yet the games went on.

Agree. But only if there are no other options.

But again, as a Cook grad why can't we do something IN HOUSE and make the pitch/field itself state of the art. I would prefer it to stay grass.
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I agree. Wasn't Yurcak supposed to have some incredible drainage system?
 
Cali - can you explain the issue with "usage" of the stadium? Serious question brotha' I had no idea that there were problems. Thanks.

Pete - Yurcak absolutely has been PACKED for men's soccer, in the 90's, to the point of thousands overflowing, onto the "hill" across the field, for NCAA games. The best ever, against Brown University, when the students sitting on the "hill" starting a "what's the color of shit?!" chant......to which our side responded "BROWN! ".
 
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Lehigh just built a beautiful wrestling facility for just under $4 mil. You could easily get something real nice for the wrestlers for a little over $3 mil. You get that you get the top NJ recruits. Then you can look at starting to crack the top ten in the nation. Then you get that extra 4,969 season tickets PSU nut likes to point out. This state loves wrestling you put a product like that on the mat wrestling will be a revenue generator.
 
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Lehigh just built a beautiful wrestling facility for just under $4 mil. You could easily get something real nice for the wrestlers for a little over $3 mil. You get that you get the top NJ recruits. Then you can look at starting to crack the top ten in the nation. Then you get that extra 4,969 season tickets PSU nut likes to point out. Really you don't need the season ticket sales just seats sold, so yea he's wrong. This state loves wrestling you put a product like that on the mat wrestling will be a revenue generator.
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Season ticket sales are HUGE my friend. You have income in-hand, even if in a not-so-great season, that also assures parking and concessions of a certain $$$ value for each match. The more you sell, btw, typically the more people will want to get them for the following season. Build, build, BUILD!
 
The Lehigh Wrestling Program is very well funded by alums. It's the marquee sport at Lehigh.

koleszar said:
Lehigh just built a beautiful wrestling facility for just under $4 mil. You could easily get something real nice for the wrestlers for a little over $3 mil. You get that you get the top NJ recruits. Then you can look at starting to crack the top ten in the nation. Then you get that extra 4,969 season tickets PSU nut likes to point out. Really you don't need the season ticket sales just seats sold, so yea he's wrong. This state loves wrestling you put a product like that on the mat wrestling will be a revenue generator.
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Abro1975 said:
The Lehigh Wrestling Program is very well funded by alums. It's the marquee sport at Lehigh.
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Yes I know it is the marquee sport at Lehigh. I was simply pointing out it would not cost much to get the wrestlers out of the basement of the barn and into a state of the art practice facility. It is a fraction of what it costs for football training facilities.
 
AreYouNUTS said:
Cali - can you explain the issue with "usage" of the stadium? Serious question brotha' I had no idea that there were problems. Thanks.

Pete - Yurcak absolutely has been PACKED for men's soccer, in the 90's, to the point of thousands overflowing, onto the "hill" across the field, for NCAA games. The best ever, against Brown University, when the students sitting on the "hill" starting a "what's the color of shit?!" chant......to which our side responded "BROWN! ".
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I am curious too.

There is no rational reason the Soccer Programs would/could "block" the Lacrosse programs from playing at Yurcak. Their sports are played at different times in the year and have practically no overlap.

What I suspect is that the BTN asked the Rutgers Lacrosse program to play as many games as possible at Rutgers Stadium to assist in broadcasting the games, since Yurcak's infrastructure is subpar for their needs. Unfortunately soccer's season coincides with Football and must stick with Yurcak despite the subpar facilities.

Meanwhile, in typical Rutgers fashion, a wealthy alum/donor is selfishly butthurt and more interested in letting everyone know that he wouldn't have donated those funds 20 years ago if he had only known then that 20 years later the lacrosse team might be asked to play their games at a nicer field so that their games could be broadcast in HD for national TV.
 
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