What governments around the world are asking is for people to wear masks and social distance for your health and the citizens around you. This isn’t a US right or left thing, or some reduction of your freedom. It’s science and practiced around the world. If we all band together for 2-3 months and just did this, we would all be in a better situation, including economically.
Nobody is questioning “the science”... It’s questioning the range of limitations being anticipated being placed upon the general public. Restricting travel now between states? There was a group of people who were ready to do battle over a supposed “ illegal” border wall. Are you serious ? We’re you in favor or opposed to a Border Wall to keep unwanted out. I’m opposed to possible “ intrastate “ restrictions ... not “ interstate “ restrictions. I’m for masks inside stores, businesses and when unable to distance from others... Notice “ socially distance” is a term no one should use. The same people who instituted the “ socially distancing “ term were and still are determined to allow everybody and their cousins to enter this country with no valid rights. Mask wearing is the least of our issues... When and if vaccines become available to the people is the bigger question.Like I posted last week ...Fall of 2021 maybe later... don’t buy the BS being filtered down.
Keeping the tone is exactly where it should be. Mask wearing isn’t the issue... where masks should or are not be required is ...if I’ m in my neighborhood with nobody around guess what? I’m not wearing a mask. The fact that there is now the conversation of restricting interstate travel during the holidays is not only a concern for me but millions of others....I love people who immediately attempt to hush , quiet the conversation if it doesn’t meet with their opinions...So are you in favor of closing off travel between states? ...I answered you on both the masks and distancing ....CDC? ... don’t flaunt the CDC ... they are as worthless as the WHO ...NIHI and anyone attached to the local , state and federal decision makers... all gave conflicting information to the public for 10 months... That is all good now since the election... so I suggest pmvon you think about telling others to “ keep the down” ... avoiding the government issue on travel is just as important as mask wearing since it impacts our freedom to move around... You must not have family as then you would not be concerned during the upcoming Holidays... some people ( millions) will still travel.
No you started off by talking to me like you actually had some authority over me. Suggest as an educated guy( assume ) you not due that. You continue to bring up issues in your family which 95% of the families in the USA probably also do. Even in my family but I don’t make it a board topic since EVERYONE makes their own choices. If I ‘m around you I wear a mask which I already explained. But you are incorrect about limiting travel at this time... intrastate falls under much different rules and laws... if they attempt to restrict travel by car, track, motorcycles bikes or even walkers they will create a bigger problem. Picture the backlogs of cars , trucks etc. Then the injunctions and lawsuits will begin ... what about interstate travel for reasons of a medical , death ( not Covid related) or work ? Sorry for your family health problems but then they should stay inside... and you should if around them wear a mask... What you are saying it’s all of us that are threatening your family members and that is very false and untrue... Enjoy the Holidays as you once knew them ...
And if your family ( quarantines) if interstate travel is nixed ... why quarantine at all? Not being a wise guy but how does that help anyone... nobody wishes endanger anyone’s life but some of this nonsense is still political in scope and a way to cover the mistakes and failures of those particular state governors.Once again they had about 5 months to prepare for this 2nd wave but they are dumb and people who voted them in are the ones taking the brunt of their inabilities. How can you know ... gave time to prepare but still screw it up ? Whatever happened to the makeshift hospitals ? the plans to combat the virus upon it’s return? This now falls mainly on the states who relish there autonomy only when it deems fit.
Bob, to be clear, I don’t keep bringing up my family. I mentioned it once in reference to your prior post saying that I must not have a family.
Of course biggest thing is I’m not evidently suicidal like you. Why would you walk in front of a truck? People like you believe your nonsense should guide what others think about their rights. Understand one thing as I told pmvon you have no authority and you will have less moving forward . Think that’s not happening watch.
You have a short memory before I mentioned anything you were on your personal soap box explaining about all your family and issues. Sorry but we ALL have illness, and elderly parents . It is amazing you believe you should shame anyone that does not follow your beliefs.
Bob,
MYOFB : You should get a job working in the new administration reporting perceived violations. We’re you a kid who told the teacher in 4th grade , “ Ms. Landers Beaver pulled Judy’s pigtails.” You and pvmon should get a room at the Loop Inn. What is bad is how he started off by saying :Tone it Down... Better go back to what started my reply “old man”...
You most certainly don’t read and LISTEN very well ... Had you not attempted to sound like MY father or a parental figure I would have ignored it but you couldn’t. As I told you ( pass it along to your boy tom1944 Who gave you the authority to judge how I or anyone else feels about any of the issues in the news. Your annoying rant sounded as if I or a someone else was a threat to you and the family over the wearing of masks, distancing and yada , yada...I and my family adhere to all of it and that has been since March before the mis info began from all the educated elitists from the swamp.It would never have been a problem but once again you never needed to chastise me for something I do. Like I asked ...were you for a border restriction or in favor of open borders and entry areas... no different than me being against interstate restrictions on our roadways and tunnels... Most of the drama and fear tactics are ways to take the heat off clowns like Cuomo and Murphy ... They should have bern prepared for this 2nd wave and guess what...they’re not gee what a surprise. Hope you and your family stay well .
Just a final thought .you initially were adverse to my concerns over the possible restrictions coming and how I was concerned about people’s rights . That immediately caused you to in some way assume this was an attack on your 90 year old father, 2 asthmatics, and I’m not going back to re check . Do you remember this? You started the entire initial back and forth and why because it doesn’t meet with your thinkings or approvals. Now tom1944 once again complains about me but he too is a biased person when it doesn’t meet with his approval.
Nobody shamed you or your family so stop the BS false claim ... that is total horse crap ... I was the one who said to you All Families have sickness and issues. Overreach is a real concern not some fake news and fear mongering.
Me wants numbers and Rubar back. Sorry guys, please come back and talk science.
If you think masks are useless you are an idiot. People aren’t getting it in stores where people are wearing masks. They are mostly getting it at house get togethers because when people get together at each other’s houses they aren’t wearing masks. We had high schoolers through three Halloween parties in our town and we had an outbreak amongst teens which forced our schools back to virtual.
More info from Bloomberg.....important part of the results:
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That is a strange conclusion to draw without any concrete evidence. Contact tracing has indicated that colleges/universities, parties/gatherings (where people don't wear masks) and restaurants (where people don't wear masks when seated) have caused an outbreak of cases in many locales. Have you a link for contract tracing of people who have worn masks every time they are in public to support your statement?
Yep, huge! 95% effective is fantastic. Still an interim report, so we need to see the final efficacy and safety data, but having what appears to be two safe and effective COVID vaccines is a breakthrough. And the Moderna vaccine only needs -20C/-4F storage vs. Pfizer's which requires -70/-94F storage and cold chain. This is just 10.5 months from when the virus was officially announced at the end of 2019. It's also vindication for the mRNA approach, which, to date, hadn't made it into a commercial vaccine yet, but is the basis for both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. Great quote from Fauci below.
Well bully for you... tom1944 another who believes he is responsible for what others do or think or say...Did you address those people and tell them to put their masks up... if you had any cajones you would have spoken up like you do hiding on a sports forum...I have actually confronted people in stores and businesses for that reason... Explaining why is a tough thing to do in public because it can lead to confrontation... see you like that interaction on here don’t you ? Happy Thanksgiving ...Be safe ...stay well... You’ll be locked in wherever you are if you are in NY/NJ..
He has no concrete evidence for that because there is none. Masks work when distancing isn't feasible - they're not perfect, but they're far better than no masks.
How did you get that out of anything that's been posted? Based on statements from Pfizer, Moderna and government scientists, like Fauci, we should be able to vaccinate high risk people (tens of millions) by the end of 1Q21 and vaccines for the general population should be rolling out by March/April, but will obviously take a few months to vaccinate the ~160MM people (~50%) who have said they would get vaccinated. My hope is with strong vaccine results we can get more like 75% vaccinated and we have other vaccines likely to be effective and on the market soon, too.
It's astonishing to me that there are arguments over wearing masks, when the science for them being far more effective than not wearing masks is crystal clear. Every country that is doing very well against COVID has near universal mask wearing. We do not and Europe does not either.
You have to remember the constant bar changing for bac. First the virus was a hoax or similar to the flu, then the death toll was being propped up, now masks are useless cause "virus gonna virus". I'm sure I left off other deflections.
To be honest I was just expressing this simple reality .It is not doing anyone any good until the vaccine is available. All respect “ old man”... the hope is great ... an actual vaccine being distributed would be better. You may still be posting efficacy updates in 2022. I hope not but you are relying on info from people who may be wrong?
