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OT: Denied entrance at Barclays for a concert...

Did you wake up hungover? If so, you were probably too drunk and kind of a dick maybe. If you woke up just tired then maybe the security guard is a wannabe cop.

Either way I know if I drink vodka I become a taking parrot that has no control of what I say. I stay away from vodka.
 
I'm with keithk on this one. You were drunk on half a fifth? Isn't that like 2 vodka on the rocks? Maybe 3 at most?

Dave- "what, whoa"? Drinking a fifth puts you at 3's, 4's????? You do realize those at 3 or 4 are f-ing lying to you.

Damn- I'm wrong too. I always called it .750 and thought of the small flat bottles that fit in the pocket as a fifth
LOL, no, the small flat bottle that fits in your pocket is called lunch.
 
I woke up still drunk. But in fairness it was Bc I went out for a friend's birthday after the concert and consumed more alc
 
Lol. Let's do the math. So half a fifth of vodka is 375 ml, or roughly 12 1/2 shots. Every drink adds .02 to your blood alcohol level, so that's.25. Now for every hour that passes, your liver metabolizes.0018 worth of it out of your system. Let's add an hour for getting there and whatnot, in 4 hours you'd work off .0072 for a net BAC when you talked to Lance of about .2428. That's pretty banged up. You got in eventually so good job!

A fifth contains 25.6 oz or 17 x 1.5 oz shots, so half of a fifth would be 8.5 shots. Still a lot to drink over 3-4 hours, although a 250 pound person would be legally drunk, certainly, but probably not hammered drunk. Definitely a d-bag move by the security guy, IMO - if you're not expecting people coming to a concert to be a bit drunk or buzzed on whatever, you're being unrealistic. As long as someone isn't unruly or visibly seriously impaired, they should be let in.
 
I'm pretty sure you're using 1 oz shots, shouldn't you be using 1.5?
You're right, it's been a while. So that would be 8 1/2 drinks, for .17 less the .0072 for .1628. Still pretty banged up. That's what I blew on my DUI and there was no pretending I was anything but, lol...
 
I live downtown in Manhattan so taking the 2 -3 train to brooklyn is easy...4 stops from wall and you are at atlantic Avenue barclays center
 
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I woke up still drunk. But in fairness it was Bc I went out for a friend's birthday after the concert and consumed more alc
Don't feel bad, man. At my worst, I put down more than that every night, and every morning would wake up needing a drink or three to start the day. It's only by the grace of God and the transplant team I'm even alive.
 
I'm going to guess hitting the sign no matter how innocent put you guys in security's cross hairs. At that point you may not need to be outrageous to get the boot.

But hey, you got in and have a story to go with it. Good night all around huh?
 
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Lol. Let's do the math. So half a fifth of vodka is 375 ml, or roughly 12 1/2 shots. Every drink adds .02 to your blood alcohol level, so that's.25. Now for every hour that passes, your liver metabolizes.0018 worth of it out of your system. Let's add an hour for getting there and whatnot, in 4 hours you'd work off .0072 for a net BAC when you talked to Lance of about .2428. That's pretty banged up. You got in eventually so good job!

Actually, a fifth has 16 1.5 oz standard shots - so that's 8 shots apiece. That's a lot in 3 hours, but the OP also says he's 6'-4" and 250 lbs., which I believe may allow him to drink a little more than the average Joe for the same blood alcohol level.
 
Most of those guys (and gals) are homeless and that's their usual. I often see the lab reports so there is no lying involved. The majority of the time they drink their bottle and then crash behind a building or in a park. Tourist calls 911, thinking they are helping them out and not knowing that we just discharged that person hours earlier for the same thing. If they don't get their fifth then we still see them, but because they are then having seizures from detoxing.

Edit to show that one of our regulars regularly was in the 4's and 5's. I saw him at .583 once. He got intubated, sent to ICU to sleep it off while being closely monitored. Discharged at 7am. Back in the ER at 11am after drinking another fifth and passing out in view of others.

A few days ago we had someone at .59 but I was off. Sad.

Who pays for that again?
 
I never understood these "I was embarrassed and humiliated because I may or may not have been a total asshole - what do you guys think?" threads.
 
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I respond, "Are you kidding?". And he says, "no, you guys are on something. Our guys watched you from over there". I responded, "we're not on anything". He said, "your not going into the building". I then started to get heated but stayed relatively calm and said, "I want to talk to your boss, how are you qualified to arbitrarily identify me as being 'on something?".

Your mistake was saying "We're not on anything" instead of telling him that you had several drinks when he asked you what you are on. Then you made it worse by starting to get heated and trying to go over his head.

You have to remember that these security guards have minimal training, but they still have a responsibility to screen everyone entering the facility to ensure that everyone is safe. They have to worry about people bringing in weapons as well as those that are so impaired that they could cause a disturbance. It sounds like you or your brother did something that raised their suspicions.

But you are right, he is not really qualified to determine if you are too drunk or not, or on something else. That is why he told you that the cops would do a sobriety test. And he was correct that if you failed that test (or raised suspicion for something else), you'd have a much bigger set of problems.

Just be happy that you were in control enough to not escalate this too much, and when he realized you were just drunk he gave you the opportunity to walk it off and come back to the show.

I hope you learned something from this experience, versus just feeling that you were wronged in some way.
 
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One time I rolled up to Madison Square Garden to watch Ringling Brothers with three hookers and security stopped us just inside the doors. They claimed that we all had suspicious white powder under our noses and down the front of our clothes.

They also claimed that they observed two of the hookers going tinkle off to the left of the entrance right before we entered the building. I can't confirm that because I was preoccupied with the third hooker's demonstration of removing her bra while keeping on her blouse.

Anyway, after some negotiations involving the ownership transfer of a certain quantity of aforementioned white powder, they let us in. Was a close thing though.
nice!
 
Your mistake was saying "We're not on anything" instead of telling him that you had several drinks when he asked you what you are on. Then you made it worse by starting to get heated and trying to go over his head.

You have to remember that these security guards have minimal training, but they still have a responsibility to screen everyone entering the facility to ensure that everyone is safe. They have to worry about people bringing in weapons as well as those that are so impaired that they could cause a disturbance. It sounds like you or your brother did something that raised their suspicions.

But you are right, he is not really qualified to determine if you are too drunk or not, or on something else. That is why he told you that the cops would do a sobriety test. And he was correct that if you failed that test (or raised suspicion for something else), you'd have a much bigger set of problems.

Just be happy that you were in control enough to not escalate this too much, and when he realized you were just drunk he gave you the opportunity to walk it off and come back to the show.

I hope you learned something from this experience, versus just feeling that you were wronged in some way.

I've been trying to figure out what the lesson is. I guess the most straightforward lesson is constantly be obsessed with moderation and walk like you've got a broomstick shoved up your ass through the ticket and security sections.

Other than that I struggle to see what the learnings are on this one. It's not like I set out to "get wasted" -- I just drank, albeit generously, with my brother over dinner and after and we were really enjoying yourselves and I thought being normal people going to a concert. At no point was my goal or intent to disrupt anything or anyone's time. If we had intended to get sh^& faced and intended to be douches then I'd feel guilty about the whole thing -- but as it stands now I still think it was arbitrary and kinda screwed up. The way the security guards deal with you its like they are TRYING to create a scene by elevating the tensions to stratospheric heights. It's like they want you to get upset so they have grounds to remove you permanently versus just that intangible suspicion that warrants the baseless claim "you guys are on something"
 
I'm with keithk on this one. You were drunk on half a fifth? Isn't that like 2 vodka on the rocks? Maybe 3 at most?

Dave- "what, whoa"? Drinking a fifth puts you at 3's, 4's????? You do realize those at 3 or 4 are f-ing lying to you.

Damn- I'm wrong too. I always called it .750 and thought of the small flat bottles that fit in the pocket as a fifth
Pint or 1/2 pint. Good for an airplane flight.
 
Blink 182...They should have tore your tickets up to save you from the crap music.

Strong words from a guy walking around with a Mumford & sons tattoo.

Does Blink still whine about things that happened to them in high school, or have they moved on to songs about having to get the kids to soccer practice & paying a mortgage?
 
The problem was you drank before the concert instead of after it. Sounds like it would be a good edition of the Great Race. Except for the fact you've done this in the past, it ended up OK....luckily.
 
I've been trying to figure out what the lesson is. I guess the most straightforward lesson is constantly be obsessed with moderation and walk like you've got a broomstick shoved up your ass through the ticket and security sections.

Other than that I struggle to see what the learnings are on this one. It's not like I set out to "get wasted" -- I just drank, albeit generously, with my brother over dinner and after and we were really enjoying yourselves and I thought being normal people going to a concert. At no point was my goal or intent to disrupt anything or anyone's time. If we had intended to get sh^& faced and intended to be douches then I'd feel guilty about the whole thing -- but as it stands now I still think it was arbitrary and kinda screwed up. The way the security guards deal with you its like they are TRYING to create a scene by elevating the tensions to stratospheric heights. It's like they want you to get upset so they have grounds to remove you permanently versus just that intangible suspicion that warrants the baseless claim "you guys are on something"

For what it's worth, here is my opinion, colored by my experiences over 53 years on the planet. The lesson is that for most of us, when we are drunk, we do not realize how we are behaving and are probably behaving much worse than we will remember later. That's much more believable than trying to come up with a reason for a security guard putting himself in an awkward and potentially dangerous situation when it wasn't necessary.

I can tell you're a good guy, and I'm only replying because you seem genuinely interested in the views of others on this.
 
I've been trying to figure out what the lesson is. I guess the most straightforward lesson is constantly be obsessed with moderation and walk like you've got a broomstick shoved up your ass through the ticket and security sections.

Other than that I struggle to see what the learnings are on this one. It's not like I set out to "get wasted" -- I just drank, albeit generously, with my brother over dinner and after and we were really enjoying yourselves and I thought being normal people going to a concert. At no point was my goal or intent to disrupt anything or anyone's time. If we had intended to get sh^& faced and intended to be douches then I'd feel guilty about the whole thing -- but as it stands now I still think it was arbitrary and kinda screwed up. The way the security guards deal with you its like they are TRYING to create a scene by elevating the tensions to stratospheric heights. It's like they want you to get upset so they have grounds to remove you permanently versus just that intangible suspicion that warrants the baseless claim "you guys are on something"

I can tell you what I thnk you should have learned, but if I have to tell you, then you didn't learn it.

Certainly there is a potential lesson in moderation. And if you woke up drunk, that might be something you want to consider for other reasons. But from the details in the story, combined with the fact that the security guy allowed you to "walk it off" and go into the concert, it doesn't sound like you were a problem drunk here. So that isn't really what I was talking about.

Go back and re-read my second paragraph in my previous post (the one that starts with "you have to remember"). I allude to what you should have learned there.
 
Strong words from a guy walking around with a Mumford & sons tattoo.

Does Blink still whine about things that happened to them in high school, or have they moved on to songs about having to get the kids to soccer practice & paying a mortgage?

Capitalize the S. Show some respect.
 
Who pays for that again?
Certainly not them. And if the wrong ER doc is on things get especially expensive. For some of them found drunk equals, at a minimum, head and neck cat scans and 10+ lab tests. To them, if you have altered mental status it just triggers their usual flow chart of studies no matter the cause.
 
What I have found is that if you act as an adult you get treated as an adult. re-read upstreams post. Next time something like this happens use a little humility and say, "I'm sorry, we just had a few vodka's at my brothers house before rushing over here for the concert. We will not be a problem I can assure you!" You will be sitting in your seats with the rest of the stoned drunks in no time.
 
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What I have found is that if you act as an adult you get treated as an adult. re-read upstreams post. Next time something like this happens use a little humility and say, "I'm sorry, we just had a few vodka's at my brothers house before rushing over here for the concert. We will not be a problem I can assure you!" You will be sitting in your seats with the rest of the stoned drunks in no time.
Humility is a characteristic we have completely lost as a society. Its a product of the me culture.
 
I've been trying to figure out what the lesson is. I guess the most straightforward lesson is constantly be obsessed with moderation and walk like you've got a broomstick shoved up your ass through the ticket and security sections.

Other than that I struggle to see what the learnings are on this one. It's not like I set out to "get wasted" -- I just drank, albeit generously, with my brother over dinner and after and we were really enjoying yourselves and I thought being normal people going to a concert. At no point was my goal or intent to disrupt anything or anyone's time. If we had intended to get sh^& faced and intended to be douches then I'd feel guilty about the whole thing -- but as it stands now I still think it was arbitrary and kinda screwed up. The way the security guards deal with you its like they are TRYING to create a scene by elevating the tensions to stratospheric heights. It's like they want you to get upset so they have grounds to remove you permanently versus just that intangible suspicion that warrants the baseless claim "you guys are on something"

Understand I'm not saying you were wrong or they were right but here's some perspective from someone who worked security, mostly at the entrance, at a club for 2 summers many years ago.

Once you enter you become our responsibility and anything you do becomes our problem (and liability). Our employer expects us to always err on the side of caution. As I said earlier the banging the sign singled you out and put you on the "potential problem" list. Anything you did after that would be judged a lot more harshly.

I agree the "you're on something" thing was strange but I've had the same type of thoughts about someone.

It may not seem like it to you but after all the stuff you went thru the guy did right by you by letting you in after a short time. I can't say that's the ending most would have experienced. Usually the first decision is the final decision with little or no further discussion.
 
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Maybe I'm too old, but just don't see the need to get drunk before you attend an event. I doubt I would have done that even in my 20s. A couple drinks is one thing but getting drunk, not getting it.
Worst way to experience a concert is to be next to a drunk or stoned person bumping into you the whole night, talking loudly to their buddies, etc. Some of came to the concert/event to see and hear the artist, and not the drunken idiots sitting in our area.
 
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If you need that much booze the band may not be that good...As Ive heard blink 182 = no good live. Would rather see Alkaline trio in a small club.
 
If you need that much booze the band may not be that good...As Ive heard blink 182 = no good live. Would rather see Alkaline trio in a small club.

I remember both band's CD's being on my son's Xmas list a long time ago.

Don't have any idea about them but just wanted to participate in a music discussion for once lol.
 
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Worst way to experience a concert is to be next to a drunk or stoned person bumping into you the whole night, talking loudly to their buddies, etc. Some of came to the concert/event to see and hear the artist, and not the drunken idiots sitting in our area.
No, having the dumbass holding his phone up in your line of site like he's filming the next "The Song Remains The Same" is much worse than the drunks.
 
I was on the floor general admission ... everybody down there was drunk it was one big mosh pit. Just FYI
 
I was on the floor general admission ... everybody down there was drunk it was one big mosh pit. Just FYI

You're making excuses. Go back and read Knightfan7's post. Understand the perspective of the security guy that stopped you. He's thinking about enforcing the rules that he is supposed to enforce, keeping his job, and not getting beat up, shot or stabbed.

Rather than complaining about how you were treated, you should be commending him for giving you the opportunity to walk it off and still get into the show.
 
Need to share this story because I'd love to know if others have had this happen.

Last night I went to a concert at the Barclays center in Brooklyn. I drank prior with my brother (we killed a fifth of vodka) and then took the subway over from my place. We were drunk. Yes. But we were not slurring our words, stumbling around, making a scene, or being loud/rowdy. I'm under no illusion that we looked like Mormon missionaries, but I also know I've been far drunker for other events and I definitely felt like we were both in control and well within the threshold of what is tolerable for a concert. Whatever that's worth.

I'll provide you the exact circumstances as they occurred:

We exited the subway and walked toward the Barclays center entrance (the main one). We presented our tickets and the rep said, "this isn't the general admission area for floor seating, you need to exit, take a right, and go around to the side entrance". So we did that, but it was a tight area because of the airport style security and there was a incessant stream of people coming through so in the process my brother shoulder-bumped a sign. The sign shook. We got out of that entrance area and began walking around toward the side entrance.

We walked on the sidewalk, past a VIP entrance where I asked the attendant whether we were going in the right direction -- she confirmed. We get to the entrance and they scan our ticket and go through the airport style security for a second time. Just as they are going to tear my ticket stub, a guy in his mid-to-late 20's in a shirt and khaki's pulls me out of the line and says, "are you two together?" pointing to my brother. I said, "yes". He then says, "come with me" and pulls us to the side. Now, I did not observe how my brother was faring in the security line but he claimed afterward he was fine.

He pulls us to the side and I ask "what's the matter?" He immediately heightens the tension by saying, "you guys are not going into the building" (these people are not at all skilled in negotiations or crisis management or soothing tension). I respond, "Are you kidding?". And he says, "no, you guys are on something. Our guys watched you from over there". I responded, "we're not on anything". He said, "your not going into the building". I then started to get heated but stayed relatively calm and said, "I want to talk to your boss, how are you qualified to arbitrarily identify me as being 'on something?". And he said back, "I'm the facilities manager here, I don't have a boss". I said, "OK, I want to talk to someone else within your line management then" and he said, "you can talk to the cops -- they're my boss". I said, "So you're going to reimburse me for these tickets then, right? Because I bought these on stubhub for 1.5 X face" and I pointed at him. So a guy behind me says, "sir, calm down and stop pointing or else we'll have to call the cops". And that point I throw my arms up against my body, open handed, like someone is pointing a gun at me and say, "hey, I'm calm. I'm just trying to understand why someone is telling me I can't go into an event I've been looking forward to for 3 months". So then he gets on the walkie and says some stuff and says, "cops are coming, they'll do a sobriety test and then you'll have a whole other set of problems"

I look at him dead in the eye at this point and say, "why are you doing this?" And he says back, "if you guys had told me from the beginning what you were on and been cool I may have let you in". I'm making direct and sustained eye contact with him at this point and say "I told you, we had a couple of drinks. That's it. What else do you want?". So finally he says, "OK, listen, if you guys take a walk to starbucks, get a coffee, come back in 10 minutes we'll get you in. but make sure you take the walk because my bosses are gonna be all over me for this one".

Now he admitted he had a boss, but I didn't want to go down that route so I just politely said, "OK, thank you, sounds good". And we walked away. We went into Best Buy and I purchased interstellar on blue ray for $8 (great deal) and then we walked back to that area about 20 minutes later. We got back to the same entrance and got through to the point where they were going to tear our tickets, and at this point they actually tore the barcode off and a ticket attendee says, "these two aren't allowed in the building. Lance was talking to them". So they took us to the side again, I said, "it's all sorted, Lance will tell you". They made us stand over to the side for 10 minutes without any information or purpose or direction. Then, magically, some person came over, motioned us to come in, and finally we got into the building.

What made me laugh was, entering the building you get hit with a plume of marijuana smoke and scent thats so strong it's like a hotbox.

The concert was a blast and I know the adage is "alls well that ends well", but the whole thing stunk to high heaven and seemed like pure, arbitrary BS. We're well mannered guys in our mid to late 20s -- sure we drank, but I thought I was well within a normal spectrum of concert-going behavior. Anyone else ever have a similar issue?
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Maybe I'm too old, but just don't see the need to get drunk before you attend an event. I doubt I would have done that even in my 20s. A couple drinks is one thing but getting drunk, not getting it.
You're right you are too old. You should be thankful if someone in their 20's gets drunk before a event. Have you seen the drugs kids are taking now? Murdering and eating people's faces off. Stick with the vodka kids.
 
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