OT: Electric vehicles

[mildone]

Except I'm actually asking for specifics and details to consider, which always was your downfall in the free CE dayz. Fail.

What marching orders am I marching to? Again, details please.

Downfall? 🤣

It's an entirely meaningless internet forum that exists solely for entertainment purposes. Using the word "downfall" to describe anything about anybody posting on the CE board is delusional. Is like saying it's my downfall to change from watching one streaming series to another.

It takes any intelligent observer about 15 minutes of reading on the CE board (or on any other like it, of which there are many out there) to realize what a total waste of time it is to attempt to seriously engage with anybody. Nobody is persuading anybody of anything. Nobody's even really trying. Nothing at all is being accomplished of any value except maybe some folks entertaining themselves.

If you want to waste your time with pointless, mindlessly stupid, fact-deficient, ideological fake-outrage pissing matches in which each side spews whatever nonsense was fed to them the night before by their chosen biased media sources, repeating it all day after day, well, it's your life to waste, so enjoy. For sure I enjoyed mocking people there for awhile. But that got old.

You're an intelligent enough guy. So you already know that if you actually want to make a difference in the world, you'll have to push back from your keyboard, go out and get involved in some way, maybe run for office.

Downfall. Ha ha ha ha ha.

 

[Knight Shift]

^^^^

It's lame by your usual gif standards, but I'll accept your surrender.

No retreat, no surrender. But no time, and no mas. It's useless arguing with someone who keeps pivoting and moving the goalposts. Enjoy the rest of your day. I have to make a large deposit on all of the money we saved this year on utility bills and fuel costs. #WINNING BIGLY!!!

 

[mildone]

It's useless arguing with someone who keeps pivoting and moving the goalposts.

Yep.

Some people will discuss stuff w/an open mind. Others are simply out to inflexibly regurgitate a narrative-driven stance and will reject any opposing views/logic/facts. Posting history made the latter a near-certainty for him, on this particular topic at least.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

No retreat, no surrender. But no time, and no mas. It's useless arguing with someone who keeps pivoting and moving the goalposts. Enjoy the rest of your day. I have to make a large deposit on all of the money we saved this year on utility bills and fuel costs. #WINNING BIGLY!!!

Nope I've been driving the ball right down the center all round on the $7,500 tax subsidy you cried about possibly going away. You flipped from that silliness to RU athletic investments to the CHIPS ACT and then to the big bad Chicoms surpassing the US in technology if we don't keep the $7,500 tax giveaways that according to you stimulate the demand for a viable US EV market.

So how much did you drain from your bank account to invest in all your 'winning'? Then explain how that 'winning' would work on a nationwide scale from Brownsville to Compton and everywhere in between. Thanks

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

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Yep.

Some people will discuss stuff w/an open mind. Others are simply out to inflexibly regurgitate a narrative-driven stance and will reject any opposing views/logic/facts. Posting history made the latter a near-certainty for him, on this particular topic at least.

Again, what narrative or marching orders are you babbling about?

 

[Knight Shift]

Nope I've been driving the ball right down the center all round on the $7,500 tax subsidy you cried about possibly going away. You flipped from that silliness to RU athletic investments to the CHIPS ACT and then to the big bad Chicoms surpassing the US in technology if we don't keep the $7,500 tax giveaways that according to you stimulate the demand for a viable US EV market.

So how much did you drain from your bank account to invest in all your 'winning'? Then explain how that 'winning' would work on a nationwide scale from Brownsville to Compton and everywhere in between. Thanks

You obviously don't understand the concepts of investment and spending money to make money. Done going back and forth with you. Funny you keep crying about the poor and Brownsville and Compton. I'm sure you donate a lot to help out the poor and disenfranchised. More phony BS. Good night.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

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You obviously don't understand the concepts of investment and spending money to make money. Done going back and forth with you. Funny you keep crying about the poor and Brownsville and Compton. I'm sure you donate a lot to help out the poor and disenfranchised. More phony BS. Good night.

So you won't answer lol. OK Mr. mini-big $hot lol.

Just admit you have no answers for you grand EV subsidy theories when it comes to Brownsville, Compton, Newark etc. Oh well.

 

[Knight Shift]

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So you won't answer lol. OK Mr. mini-big $hot lol.

Just admit you have no answers for you grand EV subsidy theories when it comes to Brownsville, Compton, Newark etc. Oh well.

Answered above loser, and answered many times before that. Nobody is claiming the EVs are going to work particularly well for residents in inner cities and urban areas. And many people in inner cities rely on public transportation. But this is just another one of your false flag distractions so that you can act like you are winning an argument, when you are not. You are just tilting at windmills. You can do the research and math on your own. I told you that our investment in solar will be paid off in 6-6..5 years, and then it is making money free and clear, which works perfectly for our situation. It's called long range planning and smart investing. This is indeed my last nail in your coffin.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

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Answered above loser, and answered many times before that. Nobody is claiming the EVs are going to work particularly well for residents in inner cities and urban areas. And many people in inner cities rely on public transportation. But this is just another one of your false flag distractions so that you can act like you are winning an argument, when you are not. You are just tilting at windmills. You can do the research and math on your own. I told you that our investment in solar will be paid off in 6-6..5 years, and then it is making money free and clear, which works perfectly for our situation. It's called long range planning and smart investing. This is indeed my last nail in your coffin.

LOL no self-control...spinning, insults and name-calling==>perfect example of another weak keyboard warrior getting owned. Bye bye.

*but when you do snap back--since you've thrown in the towel on inner cities and your EV dream, tell us how it works in middle class america living in condos, townhouses, etc.

 

[mildone]

Again, what narrative or marching orders are you babbling about?

You playing dumb and being disingenuous about what I posted is just one example of the many examples over the years that show why there’s no point in conversing with you on topics that have been politicized.

There is nothing at all anybody could say, no facts, no logic, no truth that you will entertain unless it comports with your adopted narrative. In all the years I’ve observed your posts, you have always been steadfast in sticking to a narrative. Unless it’s a non-politicized topic, in which case it’s always been a pleasure to discuss stuff with you.

I suppose it’s possible you aren’t self-aware enough to realize this about yourself. But I choose to believe you do realize it and just don’t care which, IMO, casts you in a better light. I think you’re just having fun, playing a silly game for personal entertainment’s sake, similarly to how I approached my time on the CE board.

The alternative would be a level of cluelessness I just don’t see in you. In some other CE boarders, yes. But not you.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

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You playing dumb and being disingenuous about what I posted is just one example of the many examples over the years that show why there’s no point in conversing with you on topics that have been politicized.

There is nothing at all anybody could say, no facts, no logic, no truth that you will entertain unless it comports with your adopted narrative. In all the years I’ve observed your posts, you have always been steadfast in sticking to a narrative. Unless it’s a non-politicized topic, in which case it’s always been a pleasure to discuss stuff with you.

I suppose it’s possible you aren’t self-aware enough to realize this about yourself. But I choose to believe you do realize it and just don’t care which, IMO, casts you in a better light. I think you’re just having fun, playing a silly game for personal entertainment’s sake, similarly to how I approached my time on the CE board.

The alternative would be a level of cluelessness I just don’t see in you. In some other CE boarders, yes. But not you.

Blather...again what is "my narrative" you keep obliquely referring to. Funny that Knightie and I are usually aligned politically, but for some reason he's having a hissy fit because I don't believe in his EV tax subsidy strategy. Weird huh.

 

[mildone]

Blather...again what is "my narrative" you keep obliquely referring to. Funny that Knightie and I are usually aligned politically, but for some reason he's having a hissy fit because I don't believe in his EV tax subsidy strategy. Weird huh.

It's not about being aligned politically. It's about being willing to honestly and openly consider all reasonable and available logic, facts, and arguments about a particular topic from multiple, especially opposing, viewpoints before reaching a conclusion or else realizing a conclusion is unreachable given current information. It's about working at least as hard, if not harder, to prove your desired outcomes incorrect.

@Knight Shift demonstrates that willingness often and on multiple issues (such as this one).

Conversely, I have never once personally witnessed you demonstrating that willingness or demonstrating an embrace of nuance or skepticism about your own conclusions. Maybe you do it offline or on other forums besides the CE board, I cannot say. I can only say I've never witnessed it.

Again, I'm speaking only about politicized topics. I have witnessed you demonstrating that willingness with non-political topics over the years. So I know you can do it.

With politicized topics, you virtually always appear to choose some conclusion and then work only to support it while instantly rejecting anything that doesn't fully support that conclusion, using deflection, demonization, disingenuousness, and other similar knowledge-avoidance tactics.

No? Then prove me wrong. List your positions on politicized topics that demonstrate your flexibility and willingness to not always be 100% aligned with your chosen political party/ideology/information sources.

That's a very easy thing to do for open minded non-ideological people. It's typically seems nearly impossible to do for everyone else.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

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It's not about being aligned politically. It's about being willing to honestly and openly consider all reasonable and available logic, facts, and arguments about a particular topic from multiple, especially opposing, viewpoints before reaching a conclusion or else realizing a conclusion is unreachable given current information. It's about working at least as hard, if not harder, to prove your desired outcomes incorrect.

@Knight Shift demonstrates that willingness often and on multiple issues (such as this one).

Conversely, I have never once personally witnessed you demonstrating that willingness or demonstrating an embrace of nuance or skepticism about your own conclusions. Maybe you do it offline or on other forums besides the CE board, I cannot say. I can only say I've never witnessed it.

Again, I'm speaking only about politicized topics. I have witnessed you demonstrating that willingness with non-political topics over the years. So I know you can do it.

With politicized topics, you virtually always appear to choose some conclusion and then work only to support it while instantly rejecting anything that doesn't fully support that conclusion, using deflection, demonization, disingenuousness, and other similar knowledge-avoidance tactics.

No? Then prove me wrong. List your positions on politicized topics that demonstrate your flexibility and willingness to not always be 100% aligned with your chosen political party/ideology/chosen information sources.

That's a very easy thing to do for open minded non-ideological people. It's typically seems nearly impossible to do for everyone else.

Prove you wrong lol. You get the receipts to prove your opinon, but nice try....

In the meantime, let's stick to the point in contention re: the $7,500 EV tax incentives. My suspicion is Knightie has been spinning, pivoting and having a tantrum because he realizes that *1) he (and probably many many other wealthy folks) would have bought his/their EV and made all the solar panel, EV charger etc investments without the $7,500 EV tax subsidy--if it's such a no-brainer financial windfall, and 2) the $7,500 EV tax subsidy is pretty much meaningless to the large majority of Americans that aren't able to make that kind of upfront investment for the EV 'payoff'.

*I've had this discussion with a very good friend who did pretty much the same thing as Knightie with the solar panels, home charger install, EV car etc, and he said he would still do the same thing without the $7500 extra "kicker" in his case.

 

[RUevolution36]

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Prove you wrong lol. You get the receipts to prove your opinon, but nice try....

In the meantime, let's stick to the point in contention re: the $7,500 EV tax incentives. My suspicion is Knightie has been spinning, pivoting and having a tantrum because he realizes that *1) he (and probably many many other wealthy folks) would have bought his/their EV and made all the solar panel, EV charger etc investments without the $7,500 EV tax subsidy--if it's such a no-brainer financial windfall, and 2) the $7,500 EV tax subsidy is pretty much meaningless to the large majority of Americans that aren't able to make that kind of upfront investment for the EV 'payoff'.

*I've had this discussion with a very good friend who did pretty much the same thing as Knightie with the solar panels, home charger install, EV car etc, and he said he would still do the same thing without the $7500 extra "kicker" in his case.

You gotta readjust what you mean by wealthy. The wealthy don't qualify for the credit. $300k AGI for a married couple is the upper limit. $150k for single filers. In NJ, that's upper middle class.

 

[RU-05]

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Prove you wrong lol. You get the receipts to prove your opinon, but nice try....

In the meantime, let's stick to the point in contention re: the $7,500 EV tax incentives. My suspicion is Knightie has been spinning, pivoting and having a tantrum because he realizes that *1) he (and probably many many other wealthy folks) would have bought his/their EV and made all the solar panel, EV charger etc investments without the $7,500 EV tax subsidy--if it's such a no-brainer financial windfall, and 2) the $7,500 EV tax subsidy is pretty much meaningless to the large majority of Americans that aren't able to make that kind of upfront investment for the EV 'payoff'.

*I've had this discussion with a very good friend who did pretty much the same thing as Knightie with the solar panels, home charger install, EV car etc, and he said he would still do the same thing without the $7500 extra "kicker" in his case.

Even if these credits only benefit they wealthy consumer, they also benefit the manufacturers, incentivizing them to make these vehicles by helping them get through the initial period of losses.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

You gotta readjust what you mean by wealthy. The wealthy don't qualify for the credit. $300k AGI for a married couple is the upper limit. $150k for single filers. In NJ, that's upper middle class.

Even if these credits only benefit they wealthy consumer, they also benefit the manufacturers, incentivizing them to make these vehicles by helping them get through the initial period of losses.

Is it needed by someone who can afford all the other costs/investments for the EV 'payoff'? Remember 'wealth' isn't just current income. Or is it enticing enough given the hassles with the lacking EV infrastructure for the $150k-$200k HH with 2 kids 2 cars 2 jobs that won't invest in solar panels, home chargers, etc?

 

[RU-05]

Is it needed by someone who can afford all the other costs/investments for the EV 'payoff'? Remember 'wealth' isn't just current income. Or is it enticing enough given the hassles with the lacking EV infrastructure for the $150k-$200k HH with 2 kids 2 cars 2 jobs that won't invest in solar panels, home chargers, etc?

But the point at the center of this debate is, is the subsidy helping spur US companies to build EV's so as to not cede the sector to the Chinese. I think it is doing that even if the beneficiary amongst consumers is at the high end of the spectrum.

I do think in time though that once US companies get through the intitial investment/money losing period they will be able to build less expensive cars, which obviously will help the consumer on the lower end of the spectrum. TSLA talks about a more affordable EV, as has Ford, as has RIVN.

 

[RUAldo]

But the point at the center of this debate is the subsidy helping spur US companies to build EV's so as to not cede the sector to the Chinese. I think it is doing that even if the beneficiary amongst consumers is at the high end of the spectrum.

I do think in time though that once US companies get through the intitial investment/money losing period they will be able to build less expensive cars, which obviously will help the consumer on the lower end of the spectrum. TSLA talks about a more affordable EV, as has Ford, as has RIVN.

The Gov’t needs to offer incentives to developers to get them to install enough EV stations to accommodate future needs. Two or three spots won’t cut it. The biggest joke is the EV station I used in Morris County recently was built with an in-ground sprinkler located a foot away. It was spraying directly on the ChargePoint station and got me wet too. I joked to my wife I was going to get electrocuted.

 

[Knight Shift]

The Gov’t needs to offer incentives to developers to get them to install enough EV stations to accommodate future needs. Two or three spots won’t cut it. The biggest joke is the EV station I used in Morris County recently was built with an in-ground sprinkler located a foot away. It was spraying directly on the ChargePoint station and got me wet too. I joked to my wife I was going to get electrocuted.

EA is horrible

 

[RU-05]

The Gov’t needs to offer incentives to developers to get them to install enough EV stations to accommodate future needs. Two or three spots won’t cut it. The biggest joke is the EV station I used in Morris County recently was built with an in-ground sprinkler located a foot away. It was spraying directly on the ChargePoint station and got me wet too. I joked to my wife I was going to get electrocuted.

Those are in place as well. But not surprisingly gov't stuff goes slow.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

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But the point at the center of this debate is, is the subsidy helping spur US companies to build EV's so as to not cede the sector to the Chinese. I think it is doing that even if the beneficiary amongst consumers is at the high end of the spectrum.

I do think in time though that once US companies get through the intitial investment/money losing period they will be able to build less expensive cars, which obviously will help the consumer on the lower end of the spectrum. TSLA talks about a more affordable EV, as has Ford, as has RIVN.

I'd say that point is disputable, sounds good, but is it really working? And again, sorry, I'm just not buying the story about Chicom EVs dominating the U.S. market without the tax subsidies, or really any other nation not already in their orbit.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[mildone]

Prove you wrong lol. You get the receipts to prove your opinon, but nice try....

As I said, you are incapable of expressing an independent original position on any political issue. Your only interest with any politicized issue is demonization and finger-pointing.

Given that reality, why would any rational person bother engaging with you? Or with anybody like you (there being lots just like you on the left and right)?

There’s never any need or point to engaging because we can already summarize all your posts on political issues, past, present and future, in one short sentence: “My side good. Your side bad”.

 

[RU-05]

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I'd say that point is disputable, sounds good, but is it really working? And again, sorry, I'm just not buying the story about Chicom EVs dominating the U.S. market without the tax subsidies, or really any other nation not already in their orbit.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Nearly every US automaker is now making an EV so i think evidence is there to suggest it is working.

And China doesn’t need the US market to dominate. China, the rest of Asia, and Europe offer plenty of customers. A Chinese company is now the largest seller of EV in terms of units. And they are looking to build a factory in Mexico.

The top 20 list of EV makers is filled with Chinese companies.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

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Nearly every US automaker is now making an EV so i think evidence is there to suggest it is working.

And China doesn’t need the US market to dominate. China, the rest of Asia, and Europe offer plenty of customers. A Chinese company is now the largest seller of EV in terms of units. And they are looking to build a factory in Mexico.

The top 20 list of EV makers is filled with Chinese companies.

Automakers making EV's is evidence the tax subsidy is working? Are we sure it's not government mandates pushing EVs, along with a modest actual demand with or without the subsidy?

China is going to dominate its market by government dictate. It won't dominate the major western economies or Japan, Australia. India will protect its home-grown market. But the question is whether the $7,500 tax subsidy in the U.S. is influencing the global ev market dynamics.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

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As I said, you are incapable of expressing an independent original position on any political issue. Your only interest with any politicized issue is demonization and finger-pointing.

Given that reality, why would any rational person bother engaging with you? Or with anybody like you (there being lots just like you on the left and right)?

There’s never any need or point to engaging because we can already summarize all your posts on political issues, past, present and future, in one short sentence: “My side good. Your side bad”.

So still no receipts to back-up your whiny b.s. claims or to show "who's marching orders I'm marching to", but a lot of butthurt feelings lol. Lame.

 

[RU-05]

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Automakers making EV's is evidence the tax subsidy is working? Are we sure it's not government mandates pushing EVs, along with a modest actual demand with or without the subsidy?

China is going to dominate its market by government dictate. It won't dominate the major western economies or Japan, Australia. India will protect its home-grown market. But the question is whether the $7,500 tax subsidy in the U.S. is influencing the global ev market dynamics.

Money off certainly helps stimulate demand. This seems pretty elementary.

Don't think our subsidy does much for the global market. But it does help get our manufacturers up and running here in the US. Europe has their own subsidies.

Could a Chinese company dominate the major western economies if they make a $10K or even $20K vehicle? Probably. They dominate manufacturing in general by producing cheaper stuff, and especially electronic stuff, then we do.

 

[mildone]

So still no receipts to back-up your whiny b.s. claims or to show "who's marching orders I'm marching to", but a lot of butthurt feelings lol. Lame.

A good friend of mine is just like you. Has the same “my side good, your side bad” disease, although he’s chosen the left and you’ve chosen the right. Not that there’s any real difference; ya’ll are practically identical.

Every Sunday a bunch of us hang out and BS over coffee and we all make fun of him when he inevitably tries to turn every discussion political. Like you, he’s always pretending to be interested in some BS detail of some BS politicized issue as a pathway to eventually getting around to his and your central theme (my side good, your side bad).

You’re both spending your entire lives shouting it, “MY SIDE GOOD, YOUR SIDE BAD”, at each other while accomplishing exactly nothing. I mean, each to their own and all. But life is ticking away really fast now, only so many hours left.

Are you certain you want to keep wasting so much time this way?

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

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Money off certainly helps stimulate demand. This seems pretty elementary.

Don't think our subsidy does much for the global market. But it does help get our manufacturers up and running here in the US. Europe has their own subsidies.

Could a Chinese company dominate the major western economies if they make a $10K or even $20K vehicle? Probably. They dominate manufacturing in general by producing cheaper stuff, and especially electronic stuff, then we do.

In the real world of limited resources it's not so basic. Is the "money off" part of the EV purchase decision-making analysis better spent elsewhere i.e .EV infrastructure upgrade/build-out? If I have a 10-20% discount to buy something I don't want for various other reasons (let's say shu tickets lol), what's the value of the money-off?

If Chinese companies are making a cheaper EV without cheapened quality issues that could in theory dominate western markets, you can be sure there would be trade restrictions imposed if that said advantage was based on unfair trade practices, which has been the historical record with China.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

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A good friend of mine is just like you. Has the same “my side good, your side bad” disease, although he’s chosen the left and you’ve chosen the right. Not that there’s any real difference; ya’ll are practically identical.

Every Sunday a bunch of us hang out and BS over coffee and we all make fun of him when he inevitably tries to turn every discussion political. Like you, he’s always pretending to be interested in some BS detail of some BS politicized issue as a pathway to eventually getting around to his and your central theme (my side good, your side bad).

You’re both spending your entire lives shouting it, “MY SIDE GOOD, YOUR SIDE BAD”, at each other while accomplishing exactly nothing. I mean, each to their own and all. But life is ticking away really fast now, only so many hours left.

Are you certain you want to keep wasting so much time this way?

LOL sure Mildy, bore us with another silly story to try to deflect from your failure to back-up any of your lame insults and whining. Maybe you can save yourself so much frustration and time by putting me on Ignore. Stop being so emotional, think brah, think.

 

[RU-05]

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In the real world of limited resources it's not so basic. Is the "money off" part of the EV purchase decision-making analysis better spent elsewhere i.e .EV infrastructure upgrade/build-out? If I have a 10-20% discount to buy something I don't want for various other reasons (let's say shu tickets lol), what's the value of the money-off?

If Chinese companies are making a cheaper EV without cheapened quality issues that could in theory dominate western markets, you can be sure there would be trade restrictions imposed if that said advantage was based on unfair trade practices, which has been the historical record with China.

There is money allocated towards building out the charging system. It's just slow getting there.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

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There is money allocated towards building out the charging system. It's just slow getting there.

Right, so why is that?

 

[RU-05]

Right, so why is that?

From a December article in politico:

"States and the charger industry blame the delays mostly on the labyrinth of new contracting and performance requirements they have to navigate to receive federal funds. While federal officials have authorized more than $2 billion of the funds to be sent to states, fewer than half of states have even started to take bids from contractors to build the chargers — let alone begin construction."

So bureaucracy......

.....and politics.

"Republican opponents are now trying to shut down the administration’s efforts to build a charging network by choking off its funding."


Rebates on the other hand are pretty easy to implement.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

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From a December article in politico:

"States and the charger industry blame the delays mostly on the labyrinth of new contracting and performance requirements they have to navigate to receive federal funds. While federal officials have authorized more than $2 billion of the funds to be sent to states, fewer than half of states have even started to take bids from contractors to build the chargers — let alone begin construction."

Rebates on the other hand are pretty easy to implement.

$2Bn? For a massive infrastructure build-out need? What amount of EV demand is the tax subsidy driving-- in reality--and at what cost to the US?

 

[mildone]

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"You got me out here just to seduce me." 🤣

The mechanic dude is great.

 

[RU-05]

Congress provided $7.5B for electric vehicle chargers. Built so far: Zero.

The sluggish rollout could undermine President Joe Biden’s reelection messaging promoting electric vehicles.

www.politico.com

Very Interesting article.


Jim McDonnell, director of engineering at the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials, which is assisting states in administering the federal charger funding, said the work of distributing the NEVI funds largely fell to state offices that had never worked on EV charging before.

“Considering it’s a brand new program and the minimal amount of background that a lot of the state DOTs had in EV infrastructure, procurement and deployment when we went into this, I’m thrilled how fast they’ve gotten things off the ground,” McDonnell said.

That’s shown in the states that have been early leaders in the program. Ohio was able to become the first state to break ground on a NEVI charger largely because it had completed years of planning and siting work for an EV network before the infrastructure law passed, said Preeti Choudhary, the executive director of DriveOhio, the state office administering the funds.

 

[mildone]

LOL sure Mildy, bore us with another silly story to try to deflect from your failure to back-up any of your lame insults and whining. Maybe you can save yourself so much frustration and time by putting me on Ignore. Stop being so emotional, think brah, think.

The only frustrating thing for me is watching you continue to waste away your life with such useless nonsense.

But, since I'm not really all that nice a person, it's not really all that frustrating for me. 😉

 

[RU-05]

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$2Bn? For a massive infrastructure build-out need? What amount of EV demand is the tax subsidy driving-- in reality--and at what cost to the US?

$2B has been authorized, but $7.5B is the total amount allocated.

Not sure about the total cost of the rebates.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

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The only frustrating thing for me is watching you continue to waste away your life with such useless nonsense.

But, since I'm not really all that nice a person, it's not really all that frustrating for me. 😉

You sure waste a lot of time mindlessly bloviating to yourself about me. Weird. Maybe your time would be better spent providing some proof to your dopey opinions if you wanted to actually prove some point. Just a thought.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

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$2B has been authorized, but $7.5B is the total amount allocated.

Not sure about the total cost of the rebates.

Well then let's get some numbers for that, otherwise we're just spit-balling about concepts here. As for the EV infrastructure buildout, $7.5Bn is a small fraction of what sounds like at least $150Bn needed according to a 2022 McKinsey analysis, and I'm certain that is underestimated. What is the plan?

Building the electric-vehicle charging infrastructure America needs​

In response, the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law (BIL) provides $7.5 billion to develop the country’s EV-charging infrastructure. The goal is to install 500,000 public chargers—publicly accessible charging stations compatible with all vehicles and technologies—nationwide by 2030. However, even the addition of half a million public chargers could be far from enough. In a scenario in which half of all vehicles sold are zero-emission vehicles (ZEVs) by 2030—in line with federal targets—we estimate that America would require 1.2 million public EV chargers and 28 million private EV chargers by that year.2 All told, the country would need almost 20 times more chargers than it has now.

Building the electric-vehicle charging infrastructure America needs

The United States needs many more EV-charging stations. Seven principles can help US states and companies accelerate this buildout effectively.

www.mckinsey.com

 

[RU-05]

Take this for what it's worth, but this is direct from the white house.

FACT SHEET: Biden-Harris Administration Announces New Actions to Cut Electric Vehicle Costs for Americans and Continue Building Out a Convenient, Reliable, Made-in-America EV Charging Network | The White House

Since President Biden took office, EV sales have more than quadrupled – with over four and a half million EVs on the road As part of President Biden's

www.whitehouse.gov

This is kind of interesting, depending on how accurate the statement is:

Just three years ago, there was almost no U.S.-based production of fast chargers, but since President Biden took office, at least 40 U.S.-based EV charger factories have been announced or opened.

So part of the reason this roll out is so slow is, we first needed to build the factories that build the chargers.