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OT: Gene Hackman and his wife found dead in their New Mexico home

A sad day indeed. He was in two of my favorite movies - Hoosiers and The Poseidon Adventure. Amazing casts in both films. Hoosiers is perhaps the greatest sports movie ever, because its main message isn't about sports at all. I actually quoted his "team, team, team" line when I received an award for some work that involved my team.

Poseidon Adventure is such a classic. A little off topic - I often think about Hackman's scene in the movie when the Christmas tree falls after the doubting crowd on the ballroom floor realizes that they should have followed Hackman's advice instead of mocking him. When I work with school leaders and talk about AI, sometimes I think that I'm like Hackman, calling for others to get on board and pay attention to using this technology before it's too late, but they're not listening to me. I know it's a stretch, but sometimes I feel like Gene did.

RIP Mr. and Mrs. Hackman

The Christmas Tree Scene
 
Maybe Fentanyl - NM is full of it.

If the dog got some and got sick just getting near the dog could cause someone else to OD (happened to West Point cadets on spring break).
I'll go with Colonel Mustard with the candlestick in the library.

He was the best Lex Luthor ever.
 
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Probably not so.

Probably not - yes - but with things going on its worth investigating .
I posted last week that the cartels are pissed off and say they are going to poison American's food/water etc.
With two dead people and a dog with no physical damage, poison would have to be looked at as most likely.
Fentanyl has been increasingly used to spike things and more people have been getting poisoned unaware.

"Children younger than 14 are dying of fentanyl poisoning at a faster rate than any other age group, according to a new analysis from Families Against Fentanyl (FAF), a nonprofit spreading awareness about the deadly opioid.

Fentanyl poisoning occurs when people in contact with or accidentally ingest the synthetic opioid, which is about 50 to 100 times more potent than morphine, and their bodies shut down as a result — a trend that has been increasing across the United States over the past several years, according to FAF founder, Jim Rauh.

"It's so prevalent in society now," said Rauh, a chemical engineer by trade who lost his 37-year-old son Tom to fentanyl poisoning in 2015. "Distribution goes to dispersion by entropy. That's the law of physics. And it's showing out because of the mass quantity of this material. … It's so prevalent that our innocent children, by incidental contact, are being killed. And now it's creeping into the schools and other enclosed environments."..children under 14 years old dying of fentanyl poisoning is rising at a faster rate than other age demographics based on data from 2019 to 2021, suggesting that children are being more frequently exposed to and ingesting the deadly opioid on accident."


 
The wife was 65 and he was 95 and frail. I think they were dead for like 10 days, so it would seem that the dogs would not have access to food.

Maybe a little more realistic theory than “the cartels did it” is: his wife had some sort of medical event (heart attack, aneurism, etc.); she was his sole caretaker; and he was too ill/feeble to get help.

All just theories.
 
The wife was 65 and he was 95 and frail. I think they were dead for like 10 days, so it would seem that the dogs would not have access to food.

Maybe a little more realistic theory than “the cartels did it” is: his wife had some sort of medical event (heart attack, aneurism, etc.); she was his sole caretaker; and he was too ill/feeble to get help.

All just theories.
Why was there no contact with children for over a week. You would think there would be check ins every few days
 
Agree BAC, my Mom just died and was 99. I called her like every 3 days and sister was 10 miles away.
 
Why was there no contact with children for over a week. You would think there would be check ins every few days
While Leslie (one of his 3 kids) described her relationship with her father as ‘close’, due to her living in California it had been ‘a few months’ since they last spoke or saw one another.
 
Why was there no contact with children for over a week. You would think there would be check ins every few day
Cuz they are living their lives... One of his children said he was fit as a fiddle for his age...
doesnt seem he was feeble and decrepit fer his age from public information...
So to me children not contacting is a non issue
 
My father was 90 when he died, his wife was 60, I did not call every few days, knowing he was in good hands.
But I happened to visit him that day, we talked, no problems, I was driving home and about an hour into the drive his wife called and said he
dropped dead, i stopped and turned around
You never know.
 
While Leslie (one of his 3 kids) described her relationship with her father as ‘close’, due to her living in California it had been ‘a few months’ since they last spoke or saw one another.
Some people don't need constant contact to feel close.

Would all teh judgemental people here please publish a recommended contact schedule.
 
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Old people lose contact with a lot of relatives and friends who move/die.
Seeing their social networks decay away to trace amounts can set people adrift.
Its not so much about "feelings" for others as for self awareness.
When people start going back to ruminate in the past is when life's present impulses fade and illness often escalate.
People seem ok but the life of their mind becomes a compressed routine without some added input.
When people lose awareness they lose awareness that they lost it.

I heard a lot of people with regrets over the lockdowns when they stopped seeing elders who soon died after living in a vacuum.
At the time many of them meant well because they didn't want to spread any illness but they still regretted it.
Of course a lot of people don't love their parents anymore and don't really care about them in a personal way.
But parents usually still did a lot to raise and protect their kids when the kids weren't great company either.

Honoring them a bit in their old years acknowledges their humanity - that acknowledges the same in the kids paying mind.
Back in the day people lived close and not spread out in nursing homes, hospitals etc.
I know some people need the extra care in a home but even when parents/kids aren't that old people can have this idea that being separate and detached is some kind of adult achievement.
 
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95 year old parent with a pacemaker - at least once a month
He didn't want that much contact from his kids. Not the other way around. They didn't enjoy contact with anyone the past few years. Wake up. They died weeks ago and nobody knew because they didn't want people in their lives everyday. Sad but it's actually more common than you think.
 
The wife raises suspicion in my books. Terrible about the dog. I heard 2 survived by using the trap door to get out.
You would also think there is some type of security camera in the house.
 
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He didn't want that much contact from his kids. Not the other way around. They didn't enjoy contact with anyone the past few years. Wake up. They died weeks ago and nobody knew because they didn't want people in their lives everyday. Sad but it's actually more common than you think.
I don't blame him for moving away from city life ,he was one of the most popular actors alive. But when did he say he didn't want to be with family ? It was up to the family to keep in touch.
 
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I don't blame him for moving away from city life ,he was one of the popular actors alive. But when did he say he didn't want to be with family ? It was up to the family to keep in touch.
The daughter talked about it. And they used see friends in Santa Fe frequently. They didn't recently move there. They were there 16 years. People didn't bother them there, yet they stopped going into town.
 
What a brutal way to live going months without contacting children and vice versa..just my opinion
Agree

My parents are 92 and they speak to their 5 kids 15 to 20 times a week and have at least 5 in person visits.

They speak to their own siblings and their spouses several times a week.

They speak to their daughters in law and their grandchildren on a consistent basis also

My 2 good friends both called my mom on her birthday last week.

My mom lost her lifelong friend a few weeks ago and has been in communication with her children fairly often since then.
 
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