OT: Gil Hodges elected to Hall of Fame

[colbert17]

Long, long overdue in my book. Also elected Jim Kaat, Minnie Minoso, Tony Oliva along with Golden Era inductees Buck O'Neil and Bud Fowler.

Dick Allen missed by one vote. That's a crime.

Buck, Gil, Minnie among 6 elected to Hall

The lasting impact of six former players was finally, formally recognized on Dec. 5 with their small-committee selections to the National Baseball Hall of Fame’s Class of 2022. Gil Hodges, Jim Kaat, Minnie Miñoso and Tony Oliva were elected by the Golden Days Era Committee, and Bud Fowler and Buck

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[MrsScrew]

And Gil Hodges!! Don't forget that Gil got in as a Golden Era inductee

 

[WhiteBus]

It's about ****ing time!! My god why did it take so long? Should have got in as a player alone. But wins the 1969 WS as a manager with a team that isn't even 10 years in existence. Happy for his family!

 

[T2Kplus20]

Long, long overdue in my book. Also elected Jim Kaat, Minnie Minoso, Tony Oliva along with Golden Era inductees Buck O'Neil and Bud Fowler.

Dick Allen missed by one vote. That's a crime.

Buck, Gil, Minnie among 6 elected to Hall

The lasting impact of six former players was finally, formally recognized on Dec. 5 with their small-committee selections to the National Baseball Hall of Fame’s Class of 2022. Gil Hodges, Jim Kaat, Minnie Miñoso and Tony Oliva were elected by the Golden Days Era Committee, and Bud Fowler and Buck

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What a stupid committee, just dumbing down the Hall. Even Kaat knows he doesn't belong:

“I never was a No. 1 pitcher,” Kaat said. “The Hall of Fame rewards dominance. [Sandy] Koufax, [Bob] Gibson, [Juan] Marichal. I wasn’t dominant. I was durable, I was dependable. I was your No. 2 guy or No. 3 guy. But I’m grateful to the committee that they chose to reward some durability.”

 

[RUEd]

What a stupid committee, just dumbing down of the Hall. Even Kaat knows he doesn't belong:

“I never was a No. 1 pitcher,” Kaat said. “The Hall of Fame rewards dominance. [Sandy] Koufax, [Bob] Gibson, [Juan] Marichal. I wasn’t dominant. I was durable, I was dependable. I was your No. 2 guy or No. 3 guy. But I’m grateful to the committee that they chose to reward some durability.”

Whay hall is dumbed down more- Rock and Roll or baseball. Still say RnR, lots of mediocre bands in there

 

[T2Kplus20]

Whay hall is dumbed down more- Rock and Roll or baseball. Still say RnR, lots of mediocre bands in there

It's a race to the bottom!

 

[JDNB]

As an old Brooklyn fan, I saw him play in Ebbets Field, as well as going to the Polo Grounds, and Connie Mack Stadium. I recall seeing him at a RU game, when he was scouting Torborg.

 

[colbert17]

And Gil Hodges!! Don't forget that Gil got in as a Golden Era inductee

Mrs. Screw,
Please see the title of the thread.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Also, Dick Allen is the perfect player for the Hall of the Very Good.

 

[colbert17]

What a stupid committee, just dumbing down the Hall. Even Kaat knows he doesn't belong:

“I never was a No. 1 pitcher,” Kaat said. “The Hall of Fame rewards dominance. [Sandy] Koufax, [Bob] Gibson, [Juan] Marichal. I wasn’t dominant. I was durable, I was dependable. I was your No. 2 guy or No. 3 guy. But I’m grateful to the committee that they chose to reward some durability.”

Agree on Kaat. Spent 25 years in MLB and made only 3 All Star Teams

 

[DJ Spanky]

Whay hall is dumbed down more- Rock and Roll or baseball. Still say RnR, lots of mediocre bands in there

No contest. Until the Baseball HOF starts electing soccer players and women's figure skaters, the RnR HOF wins this every time.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Agree on Kaat. Spent 25 years in MLB and made only 3 All Star Teams

Kaat is almost as bad as Harold Baines (who doesn't even belong in the Hall of the Very Good).

 

[colbert17]

Kaat is almost as bad as Harold Baines (who doesn't even belong in the Hall of the Very Good).

The "how can this guy be in and this guy not" argument can go many ways. But for any one who has watched baseball for 5 minutes can see Harold Baines HOF (yes) vs. Dick Allen (No) is just flat out ridiculous.

I never thought for a millisecond that Harold Baines should be in the Hall.

 

[RUfinally2008]

Long over due.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Long over due.

Time to ask. Why is Gil Hodges a HOF'er? Never higher that 7th in MVP voting. Never led the league in any major categories for a season. Okay career WAR.

Gil Hodges = Hall of the Very Good

@colbert17

 

[RU Husky]

He was a goat before he was a G.O.A.T. I suffered with him in 1952 and celebrated in ‘55.

 

[PiscatawayMike]

Agree on Kaat. Spent 25 years in MLB and made only 3 All Star Teams

Strangely enough, Robin Yount only made three all-star teams, too.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Strangely enough, Robin Yount only made three all-star teams, too.

Weird, RY wasn't even an AS during one of his MVP seasons.

 

[Caliknight]

What about Barry Bonds? They make a steroid wing yet?

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Time to ask. Why is Gil Hodges a HOF'er? Never higher that 7th in MVP voting.
@colbert17

I ask you because I do not know...

Let us see.. 333 members... roughly 150 years of MLB.. not sure how many years are eligible for HOF in real terms.. let's call it 100 years.. any earlier and you have poor chance to get in.

So let's round that down and say that's maybe 3 players per year get in. 30 per decade... again, it is not decided that way.. but I would suggest the closer you get to being a 10 time all-star and was maybe top 20 MVP votes for many years..

..I don't know... I think Hodges was surrounded by HOF names in those MVP votes and maybe he belongs

Cooperstown Cred: Gil Hodges (1B)​

• Brooklyn Dodgers (1943, 1947-57), Los Angeles Dodgers (1958-61), New York Mets (1962-63)
• Career: .273 BA, .359 OBP, .487 SLG, 370 HR, 1,274 RBI, 1,921 Hits
• Career: 120 adjusted OPS+, 43.9 WAR (Wins Above Replacement)
• 8-time All-Star
• 3-time Gold Glove Award winner (1957-59, the first three years the award was issued)
• Won 2 World Series titles with the Dodgers (1955 & ’59)
• Career World Series: .267/.349/.412, 5 HR, 21 RBI
• First player in N.L. history to hit 14 grand slams
• Led N.L. 1st basemen in double plays turned 4 times, assists 3 times, putouts 3 times, and fielding percentage 3 times
• Managed the 1969 New York Mets to the World Series title

 

[colbert17]

I ask you because I do not know...

Let us see.. 333 members... roughly 150 years of MLB.. not sure how many years are eligible for HOF in real terms.. let's call it 100 years.. any earlier and you have poor chance to get in.

So let's round that down and say that's maybe 3 players per year get in. 30 per decade... again, it is not decided that way.. but I would suggest the closer you get to being a 10 time all-star and was maybe top 20 MVP votes for many years..

..I don't know... I think Hodges was surrounded by HOF names in those MVP votes and maybe he belongs

Cooperstown Cred: Gil Hodges (1B)​

• Brooklyn Dodgers (1943, 1947-57), Los Angeles Dodgers (1958-61), New York Mets (1962-63)
• Career: .273 BA, .359 OBP, .487 SLG, 370 HR, 1,274 RBI, 1,921 Hits
• Career: 120 adjusted OPS+, 43.9 WAR (Wins Above Replacement)
• 8-time All-Star
• 3-time Gold Glove Award winner (1957-59, the first three years the award was issued)
• Won 2 World Series titles with the Dodgers (1955 & ’59)
• Career World Series: .267/.349/.412, 5 HR, 21 RBI
• First player in N.L. history to hit 14 grand slams
• Led N.L. 1st basemen in double plays turned 4 times, assists 3 times, putouts 3 times, and fielding percentage 3 times
• Managed the 1969 New York Mets to the World Series title

This is something that doesn't mean as much in these HR happy time but just put this fact in perspective regarding Hodges from the MLB article.
Hodges’ 370 career homers were the third most by a right-handed hitter at the time of his retirement in 1963.
I love baseball trivia but I never would have known known this.
Also from 1949 through 1955 he averaged 118 RBI per season.

 

[tom1944]

Dick Allen was a better player than the players they just put in

 

[colbert17]

What about Barry Bonds? They make a steroid wing yet?

The BWAA votes in a couple of months.

 

[newell138]

Good news on Hodges, my first Met autograph, still have his manager card from 1970. I can still picture him walking over to the railing, I was 9 years old, to sign a program.

 

[shields]

Billy Williams and Baines, they are very similar in their stats. Williams hit .290 and Baines .289. And I am not saying Baines should be in but no one mentions Williams. Baines more runs batted in and Williams more homers. MVP Colbert? In 1984 Baines hit .304 with 29 homers and 94 runs batted in. Finished 13th in MVP, same stats that harper had this year. Maybe because the White Sox were in 5th place that year.

 

[zappaa]

Gil should have been in long ago.
He was the most respected man on that Dodger team….
I’ve never seen or met anyone with more presence than Gil Hodges, he was physically intimidating with giant hands.
The entire Met locker room stopped when he entered the room, you could hear a pin drop when he spoke…I was only a kid, but I have a ton of Gil stories if anyone is interested.
Kitty was nice to hit at, truly a 3rd starter, innings eater.
How that’s a HO Famer is beyond me….wonderful, funny man.

 

[WhiteBus]

Happy that Buck O'Neil got in too.

 

[shields]

Good for Buck.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Happy that Buck O'Neil got in too.

Don't know anything about him as a player, but he was wonderful on the Ken Burns Baseball doc and seems like a great ambassador for the game.

 

[colbert17]

The great Jerry Izenberg on Hodges.

Another ‘Bum’ elected to the Hall: Gil Hodges finally named to Cooperstown | Izenberg

After decades of debate, the Brooklyn Dodgers first baseman (and Mets manager) finally made it to Cooperstown.

www.nj.com

Funny that @zappaa should mention Hodges hands. Izenberg relates a Casey story on the same subject.

 

[colbert17]

Billy Williams and Baines, they are very similar in their stats. Williams hit .290 and Baines .289. And I am not saying Baines should be in but no one mentions Williams. Baines more runs batted in and Williams more homers.

Williams was also Rookie of the Year beating out Joe Torre and also finished 2nd in MVP voting twice, both times losing out to Bench.
The highest MVP placement for Baines was 9th.
Seeing both players playing in their prime Williams passed the eye test for the Hall. Not Baines.
Williams also didn't have the luxury of being a DH. Despite that he played in at least 161 games 8 years in a row.
My opinion.

 

[FastMJ]

The great Jerry Izenberg on Hodges.

Another ‘Bum’ elected to the Hall: Gil Hodges finally named to Cooperstown | Izenberg

After decades of debate, the Brooklyn Dodgers first baseman (and Mets manager) finally made it to Cooperstown.

www.nj.com

Funny that @zappaa should mention Hodges hands. Izenberg relates a Casey story on the same subject.

They say a man's character can be judged by the size of his hands LOL

 

[willisneverrana43]

…I was only a kid, but I have a ton of Gil stories if anyone is interested....

I'd be happy to hear every one of them. My father was a Bkln Dodger/then Met fan and loved Hodges more than any Dodger. He'd be thrilled to know he got in.

 

[SouthJerseyRU]

Dick Allen missed by one vote. That's a crime.

Agree

Also, Dick Allen is the perfect player for the Hall of the Very Good.

Disagree.

Well written article by Jayson Stark here (The Athletic, behind paywall), https://theathletic.com/2998680/202...ged-but-how-we-view-them-should-jayson-stark/ , on why he should be in.

From the article:

Allen vs. his generation​

It’s the 11 seasons from 1964 through 1974 that should paint Dick Allen’s Hall of Fame portrait. Did you know there were 17 Hall of Fame hitters who got at least 4,000 plate appearances during those same 11 seasons? It would be hard to argue that any of them were more feared or productive than Allen. And only iconic Hall of Famers are even in the debate.

OPS+
Dick Allen 165
Willie McCovey 161
Henry Aaron 159
Frank Robinson 159

OPS
Henry Aaron .941
Dick Allen .940
Willie McCovey .937

SLUGGING
Henry Aaron .561
Dick Allen .554
Willie McCovey .541
Willie Stargell .541

wRC+
Dick Allen 163
Willie McCovey 158
Frank Robinson 158
Henry Aaron 158

 

[JDNB]

I ask you because I do not know...

Let us see.. 333 members... roughly 150 years of MLB.. not sure how many years are eligible for HOF in real terms.. let's call it 100 years.. any earlier and you have poor chance to get in.

So let's round that down and say that's maybe 3 players per year get in. 30 per decade... again, it is not decided that way.. but I would suggest the closer you get to being a 10 time all-star and was maybe top 20 MVP votes for many years..

..I don't know... I think Hodges was surrounded by HOF names in those MVP votes and maybe he belongs

Cooperstown Cred: Gil Hodges (1B)​

• Brooklyn Dodgers (1943, 1947-57), Los Angeles Dodgers (1958-61), New York Mets (1962-63)
• Career: .273 BA, .359 OBP, .487 SLG, 370 HR, 1,274 RBI, 1,921 Hits
• Career: 120 adjusted OPS+, 43.9 WAR (Wins Above Replacement)
• 8-time All-Star
• 3-time Gold Glove Award winner (1957-59, the first three years the award was issued)
• Won 2 World Series titles with the Dodgers (1955 & ’59)
• Career World Series: .267/.349/.412, 5 HR, 21 RBI
• First player in N.L. history to hit 14 grand slams
• Led N.L. 1st basemen in double plays turned 4 times, assists 3 times, putouts 3 times, and fielding percentage 3 times
• Managed the 1969 New York Mets to the World Series title

HOF just on his teams Reese, Snider, Robinson, Campy.

 

[rudad02]

Grew up in Brooklyn as a die hard Dodger fan. It was a religion with us. If any Dodger not named Robinson, Reese, Snider & Campanella belongs in the Hall his name is Carl Furillo. As players not even close between him & Hodges. Check him out on Wikipedia.

Minoso & Oliva belong in the Hall. Both great ballplayers.

 

[willisneverrana43]

I was told by my father that the Reading Rifle had an absolute, well, rifle for an arm.

 

[MADHAT1]

Gil was a good player, HOF not
Hodges as a manager did get the Mets to win the WS in 1969, but overall not Hall of Fame material.

Jim Kaat’s longevity (25 years) deserves to be recognized in Cooperstown, but not as a member
Minnie Minoso's years playing along with his stats earned him a place in the Hall.
Tony Oliva is another well deserved addition

 

[WhiteBus]

Gil was a good player, HOF not
Hodges as a manager did get the Mets to win the WS in 1969, but overall not Hall of Fame material.

Jim Kaat’s longevity (25 years) deserves to be recognized in Cooperstown, but not as a member
Minnie Minoso's years playing along with his stats earned him a place in the Hall.
Tony Oliva is another well deserved addition

Hodges easily should have been in the Hall years ago. Similar to Torre a combination of very good play and a WS winning manager. The Mets run in 1969 was historic.

 

[zappaa]

Hodges was revered by his teammates and opposing players.
Here’s dad helping him get something out of his eye