OT: Handgun purchase suggestions

[daneman100]

Jim, I am extremely sorry for your loss. There are sick individuals in this world that do not care about human life. I cannot imagine the grief you or your family went through.

However, I don't know why you would have even clicked on this post. If someone want to shoot at paper targets as a hobby or gain the ability to defend themselves in a life or death situation that is their choice. If you are understandably uncomfortable with this subject I do not understand why you would subject yourself to it.

 

[RUScrew85]

My cousin was shot in the head and killed during the VTech massacre, so anything related to guns and free-carry makes me sick.

Very sorry for your loss but it wasn't a gun that killed him it was a murderer, attacking a bunch of folks denied the right to arm and defend themselves.

Again, I am sincerely sorry for your loss.

 

[mktman]

Since we're talking about guns...does anyone have a suggestion for a decent entry-level shotgun for recreational trap shooting? Don't really want to spend more than $500.

 

[RUbarb Pi]

Since we're talking about guns...does anyone have a suggestion for a decent entry-level shotgun for recreational trap shooting? Don't really want to spend more than $500.

If you can take your time, look for a used & in good condition Remington 870 Wingmaster or a Browning BPS having a 30" vent rib barrel. For trap shooting, the fit of the gun (to you) is very important.

 

[RUbarb Pi]

i just received my permit. Just curious - was thinking a standard glock.

For sport shooting with a Glock, check out the Glock 34 (9mm) and the Glock 35(.40cal).

 

[Piscataway]

Only what you see, pal.

 

[LC-88]

LOL. Go wiith the .45 long slide with laser sighting.

 

[zoby]

Two shotguns I enjoying shooting.

Winchester 1300. With the choke system, it does everything you want. I've hunted dove,ducks, quail, turkey and hogs.
have gone to the range 100 times for trap and skeet.
SKB -- light semi auto. birds, birds, birds.

 

[Road Crew STU]

HK vp9

My favorite handgun that isn't custom made.

 

[Jim_from_RU]

Jim, I am extremely sorry for your loss. There are sick individuals in this world that do not care about human life. I cannot imagine the grief you or your family went through.

However, I don't know why you would have even clicked on this post. If someone want to shoot at paper targets as a hobby or gain the ability to defend themselves in a life or death situation that is their choice. If you are understandably uncomfortable with this subject I do not understand why you would subject yourself to it.

I agree, I shouldn't have opened this thread. Next time, I won't.

 

[daneman100]

Jim, this is not a political discussion. The OP wants to buy a gun which he is legally allowed to and we are offering product advice.

I have offered my sincere sympathy, but I have no interest in turning this thread into a heated debate. There are enough of those already with the election cycle upon us!

 

[Jim_from_RU]

Jim, this is not a political discussion. The OP wants to buy a gun which he is legally allowed to and we are offering product advice.

I have offered my sincere sympathy, but I have no interest in turning this thread into a heated debate. There are enough of those already with the election cycle upon us!

I concede it was inappropriate for me to bring personal stuff up. I'll shelve it.

 

[daneman100]

I concede it was inappropriate for me to bring personal stuff up. I'll shelve it.

Jim, you seem like a good person who has been through a horrible situation. I am certain the entire community here expresses their sympathy for you and your family.

I look forward to discussing Rutgers football / basketball / wrestling / baseball related subjects with you. A lot of positive things going on in those programs!

 

[seels2662]

Two shotguns I enjoying shooting.

Winchester 1300. With the choke system, it does everything you want. I've hunted dove,ducks, quail, turkey and hogs.
have gone to the range 100 times for trap and skeet.
SKB -- light semi auto. birds, birds, birds.

The Mossbeg 500 is the shotgun of my choice. Adjustable choke plus I can also change out to a slug barrel when I go deer hunting.

For my rifle, I go old school, the Remmington 760 .30-06, nicknamed "The Amish Automatic" for how fast the pump action is. What a great gun.

 

[Riceonthebanks]

Get the gun that gives you the biggest erection.

 

[LC-88]

That would be a Magnum Research Desert Eagle in .50 Action Express with a 10" hunting bbl. I sometimes use it as my concealed carry gun. I have it in a little red wagon I pull behind me. I put a bath towel over it so it is still considered concealed carry.

 

[RU31trap]

If you want to go to the range 5 or 6 times a year to sharpen your skills and use the gun solely for home defense purchase a revolver. A .38 special or .357 magnum is more than enough fire power. I would suggest getting a 4" barrel, not 2.5" or 3". This will help with muzzle jump and recoil. If you're truly a novice with limited gun experience a semi auto is "NOT" for you!! A semi auto must be kept clean, must be shot regularly and you must know what to do if you encounter a bad round that will not discharge or the action remains shut after the last round was discharged and finally if your gun stovepipes. With a revolver you just keep pulling the trigger. Don't be misled that all criminals are stupid drug addicts that don't know how to handle a gun.

 

[S.W.A.I.N]

Ever notice that shooting victims are in areas where there are strict gun control laws? For example, Chicago, Paris, etc

Or higher populations, thus an increased amount of occurrences? I mean pretty weak rebuttal...

 

[S.W.A.I.N]

Very sorry for your loss but it wasn't a gun that killed him it was a murderer, attacking a bunch of folks denied the right to arm and defend themselves.

Again, I am sincerely sorry for your loss.

Or those "group of folks" were students who should have the reasonable expectation that a clinically diagnosed psychotic won't interrupt their class with semi automatic fire. Arming everyone to the teeth is not the answer. Making sure literal psychopaths can't get guns would have prevented Va Tech.

 

[RU31trap]

Or those "group of folks" were students who should have the reasonable expectation that a clinically diagnosed psychotic won't interrupt their class with semi automatic fire. Arming everyone to the teeth is not the answer. Making sure literal psychopaths can't get guns would have prevented Va Tech.

At the very least the campus police should have been armed. Waiting 10-15 minutes for municipal/state police to show up was a criminal act in itself. Who would pass such a law that would not allow campus police to be armed?

 

[MozRU]

I own a smith and wesson 7 shot 357 686 plus - It is so much fun.

I went with my friends and used all their hand guns first to figure out what I wanted. You should test out many before you buy

 

[S.W.A.I.N]

At the very least the campus police should have been armed. Waiting 10-15 minutes for municipal/state police to show up was a criminal act in itself. Who would pass such a law that would not allow campus police to be armed?

Another straw man argument...I wasn't saying anything about that, its a separate issue. Please don't try to rebut my point with something unrelated.

 

[RU4Real]

The VT case was a tragedy, but it was a tragedy of government responsibility as assumed by the state of Virginia. The gunman in that incident was, in fact, a person who had been adjudicated mentally unfit and so was not allowed, under state law, to purchase or possess firearms.

Unfortunately, there was (at the time) no mechanism to pass this information from the mental health system to the firearms background check system.

This law has been changed.

 

[RedSpartan]

Walther PPK. 7.65 mm, with a delivery like a brick through a plate glass window. Takes a Brausch silencer with very little reduction in muzzle velocity. The American CIA swear by them.

 

[TreyA]

Making sure literal psychopaths can't get guns would have prevented Va Tech.

Unfortunately, that is an impossible scenario. Being human, we can't guarantee that even known psychopaths will not be able to legally acquire a firearm. We should try but we need to be realistic.

 

[Piscataway]

If you want to go to the range 5 or 6 times a year to sharpen your skills and use the gun solely for home defense purchase a revolver. A .38 special or .357 magnum is more than enough fire power. I would suggest getting a 4" barrel, not 2.5" or 3". This will help with muzzle jump and recoil. If you're truly a novice with limited gun experience a semi auto is "NOT" for you!! A semi auto must be kept clean, must be shot regularly and you must know what to do if you encounter a bad round that will not discharge or the action remains shut after the last round was discharged and finally if your gun stovepipes. With a revolver you just keep pulling the trigger. Don't be misled that all criminals are stupid drug addicts that don't know how to handle a gun.

I respectfully disagree with the this. Revolvers are not some magical firearm that just works every time and a semi is not some intricate Rube Goldberg device that will malfunction if you stare at it for to long. Both require proper familiarization and training. Both should be practiced with as frequently as possible. I own both and I'd rather have 15 rounds in the semi to he 6 in the revolver.

That being said it is a hoot firing +p out of the snub nose.

 

[S.W.A.I.N]

Unfortunately, that is an impossible scenario. Being human, we can't guarantee that even known psychopaths will not be able to legally acquire a firearm. We should try but we need to be realistic.

Agreed, certainly won't stop all, but can stop some, and that's a start when we are talking about murders...

 

[RutgersUnion]

 

[MADHAT1]

Can't give better advise than some already have given.
But only will suggest that anyone that needs proper training in the use and care of any weapon you plan on getting it before you start using it.
Also make sure it's properly secure and can't be accessed by anyone without your permission
( theft sometimes can't be stopped, but can be made harder to accomplish with the proper storage ).
For God's sake, if you have children at home, never leave your weapon in a place they can get to it and if they are old enough, have them trained by you or someone else on the proper care and handling of that weapon

Responsible people shouldn't be denied gun ownership, but they should make sure they handle their weapon in a responsible manner so accidents can be averted.

 

[RUbarb Pi]

Kid end of June first kid. Sport shooting and just to have one.

I didn't think you can conceal carry in NJ

With a kid/kids around, place the firearm in a lockbox, keyed locker or safe, and place the ammo in a padlocked ammo box or ammo locker or safe. When the kids get older train them in firearm responsibilities and safety. Drill it into them that there is no room for error.

 

[RU4Real]

With a kid/kids around, place the firearm in a lockbox, keyed locker or safe, and place the ammo in a padlocked ammo box or ammo locker or safe. When the kids get older train them in firearm responsibilities and safety. Drill it into them that there is no room for error.

I lucked out. There was just enough room at the front of our master bedroom walk-in closet for one of these:

 

[RUScrew85]

Or those "group of folks" were students who should have the reasonable expectation that a clinically diagnosed psychotic won't interrupt their class with semi automatic fire. Arming everyone to the teeth is not the answer. Making sure literal psychopaths can't get guns would have prevented Va Tech.

Agree psychotics shouldn't have access to guns. Allowing the students who want to carry the ability to protect themselves would have stopped that attack as with most other mass shootings.

Here's the thing. Criminals, and murderers are criminals by definition, don't follow laws. So a "reasonable expectation" wherever you are should be that gun control laws won't protect you from a criminal intent on hurting you. The only thing that would actually protect you in the VT situation is some one who had the ability on scene and that exact moment to stop the attack. Tell me who or what would be best suited for that in your opinion? I would say it would have to be another person with a gun.

 

[RUScrew85]

At the very least the campus police should have been armed. Waiting 10-15 minutes for municipal/state police to show up was a criminal act in itself. Who would pass such a law that would not allow campus police to be armed?

And arming the campus police would buy you a couple fewer minutes. Still wouldn't stop the killing. The reduced response time is good but not enough to save all of the lives.

 

[RUScrew85]

With a kid/kids around, place the firearm in a lockbox, keyed locker or safe, and place the ammo in a padlocked ammo box or ammo locker or safe. When the kids get older train them in firearm responsibilities and safety. Drill it into them that there is no room for error.

And look into the NRA's Eddie Eagle program for kids.

 

[Tango Two]

Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry II:

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Buy a Kimber and don't look back.

 

[RU4Real]

Buy a Kimber and don't look back.

Barrel is too short and .40 S&W is a little pricey for a novice target shooter. It would not be a good first gun experience.

 

[RU31trap]

I own a smith and wesson 7 shot 357 686 plus - It is so much fun.

I went with my friends and used all their hand guns first to figure out what I wanted. You should test out many before you buy

You are 100% correct. The 7 shot 686 357 magnum w/ 4" barrel is an excellent handgun, it's also very accurate.

 

[RUaMoose]

Jim, I am extremely sorry for your loss. There are sick individuals in this world that do not care about human life. I cannot imagine the grief you or your family went through.

However, I don't know why you would have even clicked on this post. If someone want to shoot at paper targets as a hobby or gain the ability to defend themselves in a life or death situation that is their choice. If you are understandably uncomfortable with this subject I do not understand why you would subject yourself to it.

Not sure I believe Jim's story. Given his posting history I wouldn't be be surprised if he's making it up. No way to know for sure of course but it's more likely he's off the meds again and looking for attention

 

[RUtom]

For your first handgun, check out the Glock 19. Its a quality gun for around $500, 9mm ammo is relatively cheap, its very reliable, takes 15 rounds and extra mags are cheap and easy to find. Also, its a very easy gun to strip and clean. Plus, there's a ton of aftermarket parts to customize it over time.

 

[RUbarb Pi]

Barrel is too short and .40 S&W is a little pricey for a novice target shooter. It would not be a good first gun experience.

Absolutely correct. A compact or subcompact .40cal or .45cal is not very conducive to learning proper shooting technique. Putting all the fine points of firing a handgun together at one time to fire a shot and to consistently repeat this process for every following shot means the shooter must be consistent throughout the whole process. For instruction at our club, the students sit down and rest their wrists or hands on sand bags. This takes out the wobble factor and they can concentrate on aim/sight picture and trigger control. There is no need to support the weight of the firearm and no worry about a proper stance. The mild report of a .22 pistol negates the recoil factor. The target is at close range and either a blank piece of paper or a white paper plate - no need to concentrate on a bullseye - just work on hitting the paper. By neutralizing a few variables, the novice gets to concentrate on only a couple points. I've owned handguns for almost 18 years, but the first shots from my new 9mm were from the seated position and off sandbags. That let me get a feel for the pistol, check the trigger action and get a steady hold to check out the sight picture.