The part where you say the members of the Board don't like him because he's black.
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Ignoring what reality? That you value the previous way college football was run today despite the fact that the entire game and system has changed? That’s the kind of mentality that landed us a retread coach no one else wanted stealing $30 million from us.
Also, can you kindly remind me how Deion did in his first stint coaching at Jackson State prior to NIL becoming a thing?
Tell me again what makes a great coach
When did I say that?
Sounds like a conclusion you jumped to, maybe you should reflect on that👍🏾
In the dumps for decades?? Sanders brought the Heisman winner with him to get Colorado back to what they were in the ancient times of 2016.
- 2016= 10-4
- 2017= 5-7
- 2018= 5-7
- 2019= 5-7
- 2020= 4-8
- 2021= 4-2
- 2022= 1-11
- 2023= 4-8
- 2024= 9-4
When did I ever say this was a race issue?
In fact I specifically stated that I didn’t THINK this was a race issue, it’s a jealousy one.
The fact that you and others though jumped to the conclusion it was about race unprovoked genuinely says more about you than anything else. Maybe you should reflect on why you jump to race immediately😉
You aren't grasping the point. You keep saying who has ever done what Deion did? The problem is most coaches across college football history never got to operate in the same environment as Deion. So it's an apples to oranges comparison.
Its not about hanging onto what college football once was (although the portal thing is slowly ruining college football), the point is Deion was able to use something at Colorado in 2024 that say Colorado couldn't use in 2014 or 2004 or whenever.
It's the same with Cignetti. He turned around IU in one year and made the college playoff and that's a really nice job. But he utilized a system that many other coaches never had access to years years before.
He's overrated in the sense that some of you act like he's an elite coach. He's not. I mean his team was decent, not great. It's not like he developed Hunter from some raw 2 star into a Heisman. Hunter was a 5 star recruit. If you look at the 5 highest rated teams CU played based on Sagarin's rankings, CU lost to 4 of them.
It was a nice job. That's about it.
3 winning seasons since the year 2000 when he arrived. Now show the seasons prior to 2016. 3 winning seasons in the previous 23 years prior to prime arriving.
And you think that’s acceptable? Gimme a break
The can you elaborate on this comment...
Explain what you meant by this?
It's not about valuing one over the other. It's about admitting the obvious.
Very simply question. Take Curt Cignetti and IU. Was it easier to turn around IU in 2024 or 2004?
Go further, is Curt Cignetti a great coach? Is he better than Deion?
Except that EVERY SINGLE COACH TODAY gets to operate the way Deion is operating and he is running circles around them!
There are 32 5* recruits each year and it’s no guarentee they win the heisman. Yes Hunter is exceptional but last time I checked recruiting was a major part of what makes a college coach successful is it not?
You continue to reach back into what college football used to be and not grasp what it is now, EVERYTHING has changed with NIL. Literally comparing roster acquisition pre-NIL to today is the equivalent of comparing football before the forward pass was popularized to today, it’s an ENTIRELY different game.
Prime clearly understands how to work this. You think it’s by accident that half of Hollywood shows up to CU games now? You have clue how much NIL they’re bringing in as a result?
I can’t help it that you don’t see transcendence when it’s right in front of you. You can go round and round on what previous coaches did and had to deal with but it’s IRRELEVANT in todays game.
“You better start swimming or you’ll sink like a stone, cause the tiiiiiimes they are a’ changin’”
Sure… Jealousy
Other fans are jealous as hell of what Deion has pulled off in just 2 years. F*ck knows I am
The fact that you jumped to race immediately is a reflection on you. Maybe you should think about why you immediately jumped to race there bud👍🏾
"Jealousy" you really expect people to believe that? You're full of sh* and know exactly what you were insinuating with your race baiting.
Then again, why mention a particular subset of this site:
Why those who post there than say, The Round Table? And why are they "loons"?
How come they are the ones who (in your words) are more jealous? What is so specific about those who frequent that place than compared to other parts of this site?
🙄 wow afraid to own it too. Got it.
You are purposely being obtuse. It's fair to say Deion did a nice job turning around CU while also noting that if Deion took over CU and didn't have NIL or the current transfer rules, he likely would not have experienced the turnaround he did. Same for Cignetti at IU.
And Deion is running circles around every single coach? I mean one could argue what Cignetti did was even more impressive than what Deion did. I don't see you here praising a guy who jumped from James Madison and in ONE SEASON made a 3 win IU team into a college football playoff team.
Huh? Prior to Schiano Ash's teams were 9-39 from 2016-2019, three of the seasons being 0-9 in the B10. Colorado was 14-28 in the four seasons preceding Sanders.
Curt Cignetti is an outstanding coach yes. Is he on the level of Deion for the modern NIL CFB landscape? NOPE!
No one is really as simply a coach. Programs for sure but there's not another coach in the country who'se able to obtain the kind of NIL backing from his his name more than Deion Sanders. Not Dan Lanning, not Lane Kiffen, not Ryan Day or James Franklin, NO ONE.
You are failing to understand that with the current NIL landscape college football is turning into purely a popularity contest. It's very similar to MLB in the sense that the best backed will have the most success by in large. Will there be exceptions and cinderella's? Of course! But Colorado under Prime is on it's way to being talked about and backed the same as friggan BLUE BLOODS!
Yes! THAT is what makes a GREAT coach in 2024, it's the ability to raise money, point blank end of discussion. Additionally you can't watch Shadeur and for a second think Prime can't coach, ridiculous. But more than the X's and O's is the Jimmy's and Joe's and no one is better right now than Prime at securing the backing needed for a school like Colorado that would otherwise be completely irrelevant.
For context here, if Prime was at Michigan for example he'd raise damn near $30 million annually himself for that roster, and YES, THAT is ALL that matters in this new NIL landscape. Time to get with the times man
Never said that, you jumped entirely to that conclusion. Says more about YOU than anything else.
bc they're loony and the people obsessed with Prime keeping his threads open. Literally look at the 20 page Prime thread and its all CE board folks. They tend to obsess and be among the most jealous human's I've ever seen online.
But really the fact that YOU jumped to the conclusion you did says everything... Maybe you in particular should reflect on that. You won't but you really should.
Have a good evening
Yep bc that's EXACTLY what I was talking about. People have ALWAYS been jealous of Prime, even as a player. Ask Jerry Jones.
"Curt Cignetti is an outstanding coach yes. Is he on the level of Deion for the modern NIL CFB landscape? NOPE!"
Time will tell, Deion brought Colorado into the limelight and mad a terrible program good enough to be mentioned as a playoff candidate his 2nd OTJ.
Curt made a bad program a playoff team his first year on the job
Both were great HCs at a lower level
Curt Cignetti also proved successful ( 19-4) at James Madison after that program moved up to the FBS after he was a great coach there at the FCS level (33-5)
Sanders at (FCS) Jackson St was 27-6 there and seeing the job he's doing building the Buffs , no one can deny he looks like he's getting the job done.
But right now there hasn't been enough time to compare the to and decide which one will be better .
Both have don't an excellent job where they're at now building a loser into a winner.
So before putting the better label on one of them, let the game play out and see where their programs are at by the end of the 2026 season
Time will tell, Deion brought Colorado into the limelight and mad a terrible program good enough to be mentioned as a playoff candidate his 2nd OTJ.
Curt made a bad program a playoff team his first year on the job
Both were great HCs at a lower level
Curt Cignetti also proved successful ( 19-4) at James Madison after that program moved up to the FBS after he was a great coach there at the FCS level (33-5)
Sanders at (FCS) Jackson St was 27-6 there and seeing the job he's doing building the Buffs , no one can deny he looks like he's getting the job done.
But right now there hasn't been enough time to compare the to and decide which one will be better .
Both have don't an excellent job where they're at now building a loser into a winner.
So before putting the better label on one of them, let the game play out and see where their programs are at by the end of the 2026 season
So using your thought process,
Colorado must have the highest payroll in the NCAA. If they don’t, why not? If they do how did they not win the Big12 or BYU?
Hey buddy, news flash pal, people make fun of lots of coaches both black and white and ones who win and ones who lose. In his case it’s likely more about his personality I’m guessing. Most people don’t give a crap what color someone is. What I’ve found is the people who always bring up race for everything are usually the ones who are racist
Year 2 bubba, that’s why. He inherited a squad that went 1-11 prior to his arrival and in 2 years transformed everything. Only someone in pure denial couldn’t see that
Newsflash buddy, I was talking about jealousy… never once brought up race.
The fact that some of ya’ll jumped to that conclusion says a hell of a lot more about YOU than anything else👍🏾
Years don’t matter in free agency bubba. And he’s about to lose probably the two best players he will ever have. You said it’s the Jimmy and the joes not the x and o’s. Which to a point I agree. But then how do you lose to BYU? How do you have a Heisman winner and a top 3 pick QB and lose to 1AA teams?
Indiana did more with way less. You can’t sit here and say Prime can bring in money better than anyone and then not only lose the B1G12 but lose to BYU
X and o’s do matter and prime has shown he refuses or can’t develop players. That simple. If my kid was a 5 star guaranteed 1st rounder without injury. Sure go play for a prime and cash that check. Anyone who needs to develop shouldn’t touch that place with a ten foot pole
Let’s see how he does without the two top 3 NFL draft picks he brought with him before words like “transformed” are used.
They had a solid, not great year, and you are completely overselling it.
They’ll likely be worse next year. And they lost to just about every somewhat good team they played. If you look at their 5 toughest games per Sagarin, they lost 4 and the average deficit was like 14 points with three of those losses being by more than two TDs.
I mean it would make sense for a team to regress some when losing their QB and top weapons but they’ll replenish and will remain a program with as much national traction as anyone with Prime at the helm.
Now on that note I don’t think he stays their long term now that shadeur/shilo are gone but who knows
Very simple, they’re overly obsessive over things they desire… Context- JEALOUSY!
Additionally we’ve had multiple threads on prime including a 20 pager that are in large part kept going by folks that frequent the CE board. To me that obsession screams ‘Jealousy’
There was nothing racial whatsoever with my statement. YOU interpreted it that way and that’s entirely on you. To the point that multiple times you put words in my mouth. It’s ok Nozzle Jockey, the fact that you and others who frequent that board took it that way is far more a reflection on ya’ll than anything else.👍🏾
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What are you talking about he can’t develop? Shadeur was a 5.6 3* recruit from rivals coming out who wasn’t even listed in the top 40 QB’s in his class. He’s going to be the #1 pick. Jimmy Horn Jr was a rivals 5.6 3*, he’ll be drafted in may, and while yes Hunter was a stud coming out, there are LOT’S of stud’s coming out, that guarentee’s nothing, remember a guy from Jersey named Antonio Alfano?
It still takes time to turn over a roster from 1-11, even in the new NIL. Years still matter in free agency when establishing a program. Totally different conversation if it was an established or even half decent program prior to his arrival but again I cite, they were in worse shape than RU post Ash when he took over, it was a dumpster fire.
Indiana had a great season, they had a senior led team with as favorable of a schedule as we had this year and took advantage. They lose their whole offense this offseason (QB, RB1, RB2, WR1, WR2) so kinda like prime and Colorado with attrition, Indiana’s in that same boat, and will have a much tougher schedule next year
The bowl game was bad, it was also meaningless. Sometimes talented teams lay an egg, that’s what happened. But again I cite ‘talented teams’ Prime inherited a 1-11 program, it takes time to get folks to buy in and guess what? They are!
You jumped to the conclusion earlier that I said that Colorado would be the most funded program in the country, never once said that. What I said was their COACH was the best coach in the country at acquiring funding and outside support. I truly don’t know of a coach in CFB today that markets their program more effectively than Deion Sanders.
That being said they’re still Big 12, they’re still just 2 years removed from 1-11. There’s still limitations to the program, but that’s not a reflection on the coach in year 2 with what he’s done.
A lot of people think they’ll regress next year, certainly possible in the short term but again I stress Prime is building a brand that is on par with the blue bloods at a program that prior to his arrival was THE WORST program in the P5. He’s taking a team that had 3 winning seasons since the 90’s prior to his arrival and turned them into one of the biggest brands in CFB that more importantly is turning into a consistent winning program.
I truly don’t understand the hate outside of pure jealousy
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Yep you're a fraud, just looked at that 20 page thread and the majority of the posts are by non-premium members who don't have access to the CE board. Disinformation at its best with you claiming multiple times here it's people who frequent the CE board.
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