OT JOE GIRARDI IS A MORON

[gigantor1024]

I don't know how many times I have to say but why the f$&? Is he still manager. Biggest series of the season and he blows his Aces opening win. I can't begin to understand why I'm saying this again and again. Dude has no pitching management skills. He just reads the book tries to follow it and sucks so bad. Why the f@(? don't you put your damn closer in with 2 outs left. I don't care about matching arms to bats. After the first out you put your top Dog in. Joe drives me nuts. George is going mad in his grave right now.

 

[chickenpatty2]

That . . . was . . . AWESOME!

 

[RU Husky]

[banana]

 

[Doctor Worm]

If the ghost of George is pissed right now, I think the primary object of his wrath is his progeny. They are the ones who gave up on the season.

Don't get me wrong. I think on balance, the Yankees made the correct decisions in late July. Time will tell. Just sayin' that there's no way George would have done it.

 

[AshSaturday]

By the time I worked out tonight missed the Yanks. see Manny gave his "good bye present to the Yankees". The Yankees should give him a fresh needle as their gift.

That said I oft feel the same way. How many times has Gerardi pulled his starter too soon just to have the oft non even warmed upt reliever blow game. I undertand the need to save arms and not leave a given pitcher in too long bshoot starters used to go 9 innings all the time. Now managers pull pictures after 20 pitches. Who said that we've become a nation of p*ssies?

 

[colbert17]

By the time I worked out tonight missed the Yanks. see Manny gave his "good bye present to the Yankees". The Yankees should give him a fresh needle as their gift.

That said I oft feel the same way. How many times has Gerardi pulled his starter too soon just to have the oft non even warmed upt reliever blow game. I undertand the need to save arms and not leave a given pitcher in too long bshoot starters used to go 9 innings all the time. Now managers pull pictures after 20 pitches. Who said that we've become a nation of p*ssies?

Well said Ash. The by the book managerial style of most big league skippers today is ridiculous. Are MLB pitchers so fragile that once they throw 20 pitches they need to have a day off? Athletes today are bigger, faster and stronger than the ones I watched growing up in the 60's and 70's (just about every pitcher deals in the 90's now). If they have all the benefits of modern nutrition, training methods and modern medicine can somebody who knows a lot more about the way the game has changed over the past 40 years (Zap?) tell me why players get hurt so much today??

 

[NorthNJRUFan]

They get hurt bc your arm is not supposed to do what pitchers arms do. Humans were but meant to twist and strain joints and ligaments the way they do when they throw a ball overhand. Strength has very little impact on this. Flexibility might but it still can't negate the force with which we strain our joints when throwing any sort of breaking ball.

It's why softball pitchers can throw 300 pitches. Are arms were meant to move that way.

 

[shields]

Keep sharp objects away from KBEE this morning.

 

[NickKnight 1]

Agree,
I've been a Yankee fan, for over 65 years, and I thought Buck Schowalter was
the worste Manager they ever had, especially at handling pitchers, but Geradi
is worse, totally incompetent. But also Cashman could have kept Miller for the
next few years, this void will be hard to fill.

 

[ruready4somefootball]

Keep sharp objects away from KBEE this morning.

I thought it was just me and one or two others, but he has developed a growing fan club I see,:sunglasses:.

 

[ruready4somefootball]

Is it to early to start a "There goes the Yankees" thread yet?

 

[Knightmoves]

In the case of last nite I will respectfully disagree. Tanaka threw 93 pitches in 7 innings. Warren gave up one run in the 8 th. So the Yanks had a 5-2 lead in the 9th inning after Tanaka would have been out of the game anyway, assuming he wouldn't pitch a complete game.

The 9th inning is where the problem was. He tried to get by with Layne and Parker to save Betances for the rest of the series. Layne struck out the first hitter then he brought in Parker who hit the next batter. That's when Girardi went to Betances, who had a terrible outing. Instead of throwing heat he tried to get by with breaking balls that he couldn't get near the plate. The only fastball I saw him throw to Ramirez was hit almost 450 feet.

I blame last nights loss on Betances. It was probably the Yanks toughest loss of the season, especially with 2 weeks left in the season. But if Betances did his job we wouldn't be talking about Girardi today. Yanks would be 3 back of Boston instead of now 5 back. Betances stat line was 1/3 inning, 3 hits, 4 Earned runs and a walk.

 

[zappaa]

They get hurt bc your arm is not supposed to do what pitchers arms do. Humans were but meant to twist and strain joints and ligaments the way they do when they throw a ball overhand. Strength has very little impact on this. Flexibility might but it still can't negate the force with which we strain our joints when throwing any sort of breaking ball.

It's why softball pitchers can throw 300 pitches. Are arms were meant to move that way.

In my day we heard "you should have seen him before he hurt is arm" constantly, this is nothing new.
There were an awful lot of iEddie Harris's from the movie Major League (Gaylord Perry) sinker ballers who threw strikes , worked fast and never walked anybody, they rarely exist today.
Layne K'd the first hitter, he stays in the game until someone gets on base.
Piss on righty/lefty with a three run lead.

 

[ruready4somefootball]

Growing up in Bloomfield NJ, back in the 60's before moving to the Jersey Shore, we played stick ball and wire ball and Little League till our arms fell off. Till this day at 61 years old, I've never had a sore arm. Was a catcher and pitcher in HS and a catcher in college. Too much counting pitches, and I believe specializing in one sport growing up. Played QB in HS also, more throwing and basketball. Well rounded sports leads to better muscle structure and less injuries I believe.

 

[Kbee3]

In my day we heard "you should have seen him before he hurt is arm" constantly, this is nothing new.
There were an awful lot of iEddie Harris's from the movie Major League (Gaylord Perry) sinker ballers who threw strikes , worked fast and never walked anybody, they rarely exist today.
Layne K'd the first hitter, he stays in the game until someone gets on base.
Piss on righty/lefty with a three run lead.

Real. real tough last night. Betances' 1st season as the closer may not end that well.
I agree that he should have left Layne in...said it when Joe took him out. Anyone who watched Betances the day before vs. the Dodgers had to have at least a little bit of an idea that he was not on a hot streak.
But Joe didn't hit Young's helmet with that pitch....Parker did. And Dellin was the one who couldn't find the plate with his curve....not Girardi. And I was pissed all game about the Yankees hitters' failure to drive in a man from third with less than two outs. Refsnyder has failed at that three times in the last two games. And Headley getting thrown out at the plate was just so stupid. I've seen enough of Headley. And Refsnyder.
We lost a game we should have won. And now we have the same record as the 2nd best MLB team in New York....the only team that has less success than the Yankees at driving in runners in scoring position.
And we've got three more games in this series....and we ain't playing the Twinkies.
Like I said when BIg Papi came up in the 9th....dum dee dum dum.
I'm gonna send a flaming bag of dog poop to the schedule-maker.

 

[Bdodger2]

Growing up in Bloomfield NJ, back in the 60's before moving to the Jersey Shore, we played stick ball and wire ball and Little League till our arms fell off. Till this day at 61 years old, I've never had a sore arm. Was a catcher and pitcher in HS and a catcher in college. Too much counting pitches, and I believe specializing in one sport growing up. Played QB in HS also, more throwing and basketball. Well rounded sports leads to better muscle structure and less injuries I believe.

RUReady - there is merit to what you say about playing multiple sports. That is becoming less of an option for many kids who aspire to play at the collegiate level, if not the pro level. Whether that is delusional thinking is a subject for another day, as we all know the chances of playing a sport in college is very small, and it is virtually impossible for anyone to play professionally.

As to baseball, the proliferation of high end youth baseball is a primary cause of the arm injuries. Kids play in their high school season. Although there are good coaches out there who will try and protect pitchers, the majority of coaches get so focused upon winning that they wear out the better kids. Forget about the summer travel teams. Kids can wind up pitching two games over the course of a couple of days in order for their teams to progress in some tournament. When they are not pitching they are frequently playing a position that further taxes their arm. Some lunatics even pitch and catch during the same day. Coaches get carried away, and as importantly, parents get carried away. So many parents have stars in their eyes and believe their kid is on the way to the majors. They see college coaches and scouts at a tournament and they want their kid out on the mound for exposure.

Pitching that often, in pressurized situations (pressure is self induced by the desire to "earn that scholarship" or bonus) adds to the strain on the arm. It is a lose/lose proposition.

Add to that the fact the incredible velocity at which younger and younger kids are throwing today. That type of velocity - particularly at a young age - has a horrific negative impact upon young arms. In time, this all adds up and you now have an epidemic of arm injuries at every level. When you see teenagers routinely having Tommy John surgery and regarding it the same way folks view tonsil removal, you know things are in crises mode.

All of us of a certain age played ball in high school and played ball all summer long in pick up games. It simply was quite a different animal than it is today.

 

[megadrone]

By the time I worked out tonight missed the Yanks. see Manny gave his "good bye present to the Yankees". The Yankees should give him a fresh needle as their gift.

That said I oft feel the same way. How many times has Gerardi pulled his starter too soon just to have the oft non even warmed upt reliever blow game. I undertand the need to save arms and not leave a given pitcher in too long bshoot starters used to go 9 innings all the time. Now managers pull pictures after 20 pitches. Who said that we've become a nation of p*ssies?

Well, my usual flippant response to that is that it started with the Designated Hitter in '73.

But pitchers are trying all different types of movements with their arms that stretch the limits of human capacity. Either the pitcher is a genetic freak or arm/shoulder/elbow gets blown and they adapt to their new physical limitations (I'm hoping that Syndergaard is a genetic freak). With the amount of statistics that are kept today, its no wonder that pitch count is watched as closely as it is.

Baseball has stressed offense since 1969. Pitchers had to keep up, and expansion thinning the waters (12 new teams since the pitching mound was lowered) didn't help. This is the generational fallout.

 

[BiggMoosie]

I'm a Mets fan and have to say Joe Girardi is a great manager. When ownership sold he has managed this team into a race and exceeded expectations. He is getting this team to over perform.

 

[DJ Spanky]

 

[RU at the shore]

Betances is cooked. Girardi has absolutely run him into the ground.

 

[zappaa]

McCann and Tex playing, are you kidding

 

[AshSaturday]

McCann and Tex playing, are you kidding

Tex is batting about .196? Am I wrong to say (at least for the past few years) that his career has been fairly disappointing for the past few years? And always hurt...In June my friend took me out to dinner. Jokingly "texted" him that Texiera got hurt again. He actually had gotten hurt (unbeknownst to me) earlier that night.

Re Perry don't know the movie reference, but Perry also doctored the ball as much as anyone. I think it really used to P*ss off Bobby Murcer. Later as an announcer Murcer seemed to joke about it-I bELieve stories of petroleum jelly and razor blades...

 

[chase07470]

In my day we heard "you should have seen him before he hurt is arm" constantly, this is nothing new.
There were an awful lot of iEddie Harris's from the movie Major League (Gaylord Perry) sinker ballers who threw strikes , worked fast and never walked anybody, they rarely exist today.
Layne K'd the first hitter, he stays in the game until someone gets on base.
Piss on righty/lefty with a three run lead.

Exactly right. When you get that first K, you stay in the game. Why on earth are you rolling the dice to see if the next guy "has it" tonight when the guy on the mound just showed you he does?

Then last night.... The manager is getting a very solid start out of his pitcher and he lifts him after 83 pitches to go back to a bullpen he doesn't trust?

Frustrating couple of days. Hopefully that red headed swatter we got from Cleveland for Miller pans out, otherwise that trade was the biggest disaster in a long time.