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OT: John Calipari 30 for 30

I am right. Let's make an analogy to real life now that you brought up the second grade "everyone else is doing it" argument. Let's say the "everyone else is doing it" way of life gets you a nice wife, family, job and big house. Doing things the other way gets you nowhere, working a crap job if you're lucky and you live in mommy's basement. You're the joke of the neighborhood. But yeah take solace that you did things the right way as everyone laughs at you and you go nowhere.

I guess that we will have to disagree on this topic.
 
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Can someone tell me what Cal did in the 2 cases that resulted in sanctions

Camby and Rose. Seems to me the players were at fault not Cal.

Is there proof Cal knew and covered up what the players did
 
My daughter is a recent graduate of UK. I coached, officiated and have been a basketball fan my whole life. IMHO Calipari is a shining example of everything that is wrong with college sports today.
Below is taken from an old article from the Bleacher Report (2010) which named "Coach Cal" the #4 "scummiest college basketball coach" in NCAA history.
If I was ever blessed with a son who could play at the level Calipari would be one of the last guys I'd want him with.


  1. Coach Calipari’s list of indiscretions is long and illustrious. In fact, his rap sheet is so damning that it’s amazing the NCAA still allows him to coach. The Final Four berths he earned while coaching UMass were vacated when it was learned Marcus Camby had illegally received payments.

    Calipari took a job with the New Jersey Nets before returning to the college ranks to coach Memphis. There, Calipari would have an entire season voided after violations surfaced that Derrick Rose had cheated on his SAT’s and that Rose’s brother had travel expenses paid for by the school.

    How is that type of condemning behavior punished? With an eight-year, $31.65 million contract at Kentucky.

    Already Calipari has created controversy for the Wildcats, with the NCAA investigating Eric Bledsoe about academic fraud. He’s an embarrassment to the values that the NCAA is supposed to stand for, and should have been placed on probation years ago.

I'm interested in how ESPN portrays him.

Colbert -

How do you compare a Calipari to say Roy Williams or Bill Self? Both my parents went to UK so have followed them closely over the years.

Calipari is very clear and transparent with his intentions. If you come play basketball for him at UK he is going to do everything he possibly can to maximize your athletic and monetary value at the professional basketball level. The NBA is ultimately at fault for the current construct of NCAA basketball; their minimum age requirements cause Calipari (and every other coach) to recruit talent and manage a team in this manner.

I'd rather the Calipari approach than say Roy Williams, who acts pious and ignorant to any wrongdoing yet has been complicit in running an institutional cheating scandal at UNC for years by letting his players take fake classes.

It is the lesser of two evils, but at least you know the evil you're getting with Calipari.
 
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I am not sure preparing a college student athlete for a career as a possible professional athlete is evil.I still am not sure what he did or is doing that is so "corrupt".
 
Colbert -

How do you compare a Calipari to say Roy Williams or Bill Self? Both my parents went to UK so have followed them closely over the years.

Calipari is very clear and transparent with his intentions. If you come play basketball for him at UK he is going to do everything he possibly can to maximize your athletic and monetary value at the professional basketball level. The NBA is ultimately at fault for the current construct of NCAA basketball; their minimum age requirements cause Calipari (and every other coach) to recruit talent and manage a team in this manner.

I'd rather the Calipari approach than say Roy Williams, who acts pious and ignorant to any wrongdoing yet has been complicit in running an institutional cheating scandal at UNC for years by letting his players take fake classes.

It is the lesser of two evils, but at least you know the evil you're getting with Calipari.

Beta,
I can see your point on this. Instead of pretending to have a college basketball team Cal is running a NBA developmental team and he's honest about it.
I'm an old timer so I guess I'm stuck in the past. i remember when my daughter went to a game in her second year and I asked her if she had a good time and she said yes but didn't know any of the guys on the team. Thought that was kind of sad.
I do realize that the NCAA is a sham and just a gigantic money making machine and Cal is just playing along.
 
Kentucky allows all the one and done players to continue their education free of charge for the rest of their life.
 
Beta,
I can see your point on this. Instead of pretending to have a college basketball team Cal is running a NBA developmental team and he's honest about it.
I'm an old timer so I guess I'm stuck in the past. i remember when my daughter went to a game in her second year and I asked her if she had a good time and she said yes but didn't know any of the guys on the team. Thought that was kind of sad.
I do realize that the NCAA is a sham and just a gigantic money making machine and Cal is just playing along.

I agree as well Colbert in that I wish the game was more pure and you could remember the names of players because they're on the team for longer than 12 months.

My dad is always conflicted on Coach Cal, the days of rooting for the 3-4 year players at UK (i.e. Tony Delk, Jamal Mashburn, Richie Farmer, etc..) are gone but yet he still tunes in to every game because they're always within earshot of a national title these days.
 
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Didn't UMASS have a team one year where the team GPA was a joke? It was a long time ago and trying to remember what happened.
 
Didn't UMASS have a team one year where the team GPA was a joke? It was a long time ago and trying to remember what happened.

He got Lou Roe into UMass. Bob could not get him into Rutgers. The RU admissions team looked at his transcript from Atlantic City HS and said "are you kidding?"

The Camby saga is well documented.

He did it. Did he do it the right way?
 
Allowing a kid into the school is not on the coach. Every coach would take the player he wants it is up to the schools administration to set their academic standard.

I see no issue with a coach trying to get any kid into the school that he believes helps the program. If UMass said Camby was acceptable how is that on Calipari? Do you doubt that if RU admins admitted Roe Bob would have turned him away?
 
Calipari may very well be a sleazy used car salesman, but does he really have to cheat at Kentucky? Seems like all he has to do to attract talent is point to all the pictures of the 1st round draft picks that have gone through his program.
 
Calipari
Pitino
Boeheim
Roy Williams

All make me want to puke.
Won't even watch their games on TV.
I get too disgusted and annoyed.

Any other coaches out there worthy of being added to this list?
 
Not me. I would like to keep a shred of my dignity. I'll stay with Pike and watch him build something the right way.

Dignity? We're the same school that had our coaches fired for making players take naked free throws and chucking basketballs at them from point blank range...

I think if you accept the shadiness that is college basketball recruiting, you can appreciate Cal a little more. This is a sport where what shoe company your sponsors your school could effect who you get in recruiting.

Cal simply says what he does. Forget the idea of a college athlete, help these kids make millions. I don't understand how we as fans get upset at a coach that plays within the rules but uses it as an advantage. I never got upset at Harbough for hiring coaches and family members of top recruits. It annoyed me and I hated the NCAA for allowing it, but not Harbough. At least there doing something about that
 
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Dignity? We're the same school that had our coaches fired for making players take naked free throws and chucking basketballs at them from point blank range...

I think if you accept the shadiness that is college basketball recruiting, you can appreciate Cal a little more. This is a sport where what shoe company your sponsors your school could effect who you get in recruiting.

Cal simply says what he does. Forget the idea of a college athlete, help these kids make millions. I don't understand how we as fans get upset at a coach that plays within the rules but uses it as an advantage. I never got upset at Harbough for hiring coaches and family members of top recruits. It annoyed me and I hated the NCAA for allowing it, but not Harbough. At least there doing something about that

Sport,
That's the point. RU fired the guy.
 
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