OT: New car SUV
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You can look up your model here https://www.truecar.com/
and see what others have paid in your area. That way you will know if you are overpaying or getting a good deal.
and see what others have paid in your area. That way you will know if you are overpaying or getting a good deal.
You got the make right, but not the model. Go with an Accord. Thank us later.
I can't believe you wrote a whole post about cars without mention Audi.... that's new.
A Porsche Macan is what he really wants.
If he's shopping for a Pilot it means that the Q5 - which is an outstanding vehicle in its own right - isn't big enough and a Q7 is too much money.
I like the Macan, but I generally dislike the way that Porsche prices their vehicles. They charge thousands (or tens of thousands) of dollars extra for features that competitors include as standard equipment.
The Escalade is a pig.
I've had Tahoe rentals on several occasions and find them to be generally agreeable. The Explorer should be a consideration, as well. I would strongly recommend a look at the new Volkswagen Atlas. Great driving dynamics, better fuel economy than the rest of the class.
Base model Marcan is just $47,000... fully loaded is $97,000
Seriously... those are real numbers. :scream:
He can get a Q5 in the $38,000 to $45,000 range depending on what features he wants. This about the same price as a Honda Pilot with AWD and Leather seating.
I know which one I rather have...
The difference being that the Pilot is 3 row and the Q5 is not. But yeah, if I was gonna buy an SUV (and I have no need for 7 seats) it would definitely be a Q5.
If you had the money, the Toyota Land Cruiser is the best actual SUV in the world. It's the discerning man's choice. The Escalade is good if you want to slow-roll through Tyga's latest video on 20-fo's.
And if you're looking fast and sporty, the Jaguar F-Pace is the world's most gorgeous. Not that I'd actually buy a Jag, but damn they got it right with that design.
And if you're looking fast and sporty, the Jaguar F-Pace is the world's most gorgeous. Not that I'd actually buy a Jag, but damn they got it right with that design.
use edmunds.com request for quote feature, and request quotes. put in dummy phone number. DO NOT go into the dealership. DO know exactly what you want. Negotiate over email. Finalize the price. Then go into the dealership. some dealers will play ball. Some won't. That's just how it works.
this allows them to maximize profits. they do it because they can. This can be thought of as a "Porsche Tax"
Great minds think alike. I went way out of my way to snag a 2015 Q5 TDI released from the dieselgate quarantine. I plan to keep it until the wheels fall off or the engine dies. Handles like a sports car, fast off the line, and awesome towing capacity. It is a shame what VW/Audi did to the diesel passenger car/SUV marketplace.
Stelvio is nice too, but it has the distinct disadvantage of being displayed next to the 4C, Giulia and, sometimes, classic Alfas. So it's the fugliest thing in the neighborhood.
Besides the F-type, the F-Pace is the prettiest thing at Jag ..and it's got the likes of the i-pace and evoque making it look that much better : )
True. The F-type is a damn nice car. Wouldn't mind having one of those. But if I was gonna spend F-type money I could buy a TT RS and pocket 20 grand.
You're looking at it backwards. There wasn't much of a US diesel car market to begin with, and there would have been none if they weren't cheating.
Last several SUVs have been pilots and cx-9s. Prefer the Mazda CX-9.
Not really, but thanks for your opinion.
Diesel fans like the mileage, the power, torque and overall driving experience. It is by far superior. I drove the gasoline version of the Q5, and it was a huge step down in my opinion.
BMW sells diesels without cheating. So does GMC/Chevy, Jaguar and Ford will be rolling out diesels. But for SUVs, the only players right now are Jaguar and BMW (there may be one or two others). My fixed 2016 Q5 gets 30 mpg in mixed driving. The gasoline version gets 21 or 22.
Yes really. And it's not opinion, just basic facts.
US "diesel fans" are few and far between outside of the truck world. Even before the scandal, diesels made up a whopping 3 % of the auto market . So, even while VW, the largest automaker in diesel-happy Europe, was cheating its ass off to fabricate the idea of "clean diesel," Americans weren't all that interested. It was through cheating that VW was able to meet regs and sell anything diesel at all.
To cite the companies still selling diesels now is silly. There are like a dozen diesel trims, not even models, on the entire market. There's some audible volume in support of US diesel, but damn near zero quantitive volume.
If you’re looking at a Pilot, why not just get an Odyssey? Just bought a 2019, $38,600 MSRP, walked out the door with some add ons, all the other nonsense (tax, title,etc), for. just under MSRP.
I always said if Mazda would commit to more horsepower they wouldn't be able to build cars fast enough.
A CX-5 with 250 hp would absolutely dominate the segment. It wouldn't even be close. There would be one in my driveway right now.
But you said that there were "none" if "they" weren't cheating.
BMW and Chevy/GMC never cheated (or at least they were not caught).
BMW has seen an uptick in diesel sales:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/bmw-sticking-with-diesels-in-the-united-states
And you are wrong again. Diesel SUVs and cars:
Chevy Equinox
Chevy Cruze
GMC Terrain
BMW X5
BMW 328d
Land Rover Range Rover
Land Rover Discovery
Jeep Grand Cherokee
Jaguar F-Pace
Jaguar XE 20d
Jaguar XF 20d
But in your mind, BMW is "silly" for selling them. So is Jaguar and Lad Rover. But what do they know over an opinionated guy on a football message board?
They are coming out with a diesel model. Finally (like 2.5 years finally after they announced it), the EPA has fuel economy numbers. The fuel economy numbers are disappointing. But if the CX-5 diesel performs like the Q5 diesel, the power and torque should be worth the price, IMO. But don't tell @fsg2 - he thinks diesels are silly, even though there is small but extremely dedicated group of buyers here in the US.
Eh, disagree. Mazda markets to the driver-enthusiasts. Despite what people say, performance is not at the top of the priority heap for most of the American car-buying public. For its class, the CX-9 is fairly fun to drive (fun being relative to this class of vehicle) but it completely fails its primary purpose of being a people/cargo hauler. That third row is completely useless (even when pressed into occasional duty) for anyone other than Mini-Me. The sloping sporty roofline and sculpted, narrow fenders minimize space for non-malleable cargo. This Crossover Utility Vehicle is basically a Crossover Vehicle with no Utility.
How was I wrong? You listed 11 trims ...which is one less than the dozen I estimated.
BMW has seen an uptick in diesel sales, lmao ..sure, that has nothing to do with the fact that other competitors like merc and Audi pulled their entire diesel fleets.
You seem to be confused. I never said diesels were completely non-existent outside VW, just that VW, and the cheating it was doing the entire time, was integral in helping the market along. Therefore, it only killed what it architected, nothing more.
BMW, the company you like talking about so much, which also has been the subject of a diesel cheating lawsuit of its own, introduced and grew its entire modern US diesel lineup only after VW was already cheating. It consistently cited VW's succes with models like the Jetta in supporting its own US diesel expansion.
Once again, I've only cited facts. Only opinion (and testiness, I might add) is from you. I know dieselheads are a passionate group, but chill out.
These two sentences are incongruous.
If Mazda markets to "driver-enthusiasts" then it stands to reason that their customers would appreciate more power.
Additionally, there are a number of enthusiasts (like me) who have driven Mazda products, appreciate their outstanding chassis dynamics but ultimately walked away because they're underpowered.
On the day, 10 years ago, that I bought my GTI I test drove two cars. I drove the Mazda 3 and liked it, but felt that it was lacking something. An hour later I drove the GTI and within 30 seconds said, "Yeah. This is everything that the Mazda isn't."
I'm not a car guy. I have an Escape and love it. When I was still working my commute was 3-4 miles so didn't see the need for a lot of extras. Only thing I would have changed would be getting the next engine up. Little slow accelerating.
Ok back to you rich guys.
Ok back to you rich guys.
Look, we are arguing over each other.
You said none. None means zero.
You said a dozen trims.
I cited a dozen models (not trims) (and there are actually more), and more coming--Mazda is introducing the CX-5 diesel, which has been wildly popular abroad. It's not the OEM's fault that the CARB/EPA cartel (which seemingly ran the EPA under the previous administration) does not truly understand clean diesel. Diesels have significantly lower hydrocarbon and CO emissions than gasoline-powered engines. The culprit for diesel is NOx, but there are various technologies that can address this--except CARB/EPA has a hard-on for diesels.
You keep attacking me, but I have cited only facts. OK, my comments on CARB/EPA are over the top. Where did BMW have a scandal? Maybe Fiat/Jeep did, but to my knowledge, the CARB/EPA cartel just put extra scrutiny on all diesels because VW/Audi were scumbags. That does not damn the whole segment.
More diesels rolling out in 2019!!!
But the death of diesel will likely be due to a new engine Mazda will roll out soon-the gasoline HCCI engine, which has the best attributes of gasoline and diesel. Think that a model debuts in 2019 in the Mazda 3, and it will be a game changer.
Let's drop the debate. You lost.
I had an Escape (2013) for 3 years and, for the most part, I really liked it. I did have the "big engine" (240 hp turbo 2.0) and it was quick enough that it would overwhelm the tires, off the line. What I didn't like about it was that the gas mileage was awful (24 mpg on the highway) and the seats weren't comfortable for more than a couple of hours. On the plus side, it handled beautifully, for what it is.
Ok, gotcha. Yeah, 250hp 4-banger is not enough to move that sucker. More power will potentially attract more of the driver-enthusiasts, but that segment is tiny. Women ultimately make the final car purchase decision 60% of the time and at risk of making a sweeping generalization, they’re not that interested in performance. They’re more interested in, “Does it look cute? Does the color match the shutters on the house? Is it safe? Can Aunt Bertha climb into the back seat? Can the trunk accommodate my shopping spree at Kohl’s?”
I'm going to be getting either a CX-3 or Mazda3 hatch for my next car I think.
