OT: New car SUV
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LOL. I'm done arguing (not debating). You will not even recognize your mistaken arguments ("none"). I worked in the industry for nearly 15 years, and know diesel emission controls quite well. I never said diesel was "booming"--just said that their is a small, dedicated group that loves diesel and recognizes all of the positives. The new Mazda CX-5 diesel will be interesting--it purportedly will offer no advantage in MPG (but then again, the CARB/EPA cartel suppresses the true EPA MPG numbers for diesels and lets gasoline engines puff theirs up). But as I said, the HCCI engine will be a game changer that may ultimately kill the diesel passenger car market in the US. We may buy a Mazda 3 HCCI (actually SPCCI) when it debuts.
VW Atlas is the way to go. I have one. The SEL has the best features for the money. Better rated than the Pilot.
LF3/LF4 3.6 V6s are the twin turbo versions of that engine in the Camaro and Regal. I test drove the LF3 in a CTS V-Sport (not to be confused with the CTS-V’s V8) Rated at around 420hp. LF4 is in the ATS-V rated at 460hp and nearly as much torque. That’ll make those tires grapple for traction. My wife has the latest normally aspirated variant of that engine in her GMC Acadia and it’s a smooth beauty.
I wasn't aware that it was the same V6. I also read last night that the turbo 3.6 is used in the XTS, which is a car I know absolutely nothing about.
Personally, I don't understand why all the GM vehicles on the E2 platform aren't on the Alpha (ATS and Camaro). ATS, Regal, Malibu... same basic role, right? Should be the same platform.
For the OP, we had a 2014 Pilot for four years and 65k. It was fine but at 65K I think it needed CV joints or something on the front end. Little disappointed with that but then they said they would give us about 18k on trade in as is for a 2018 Pilot, which I think we paid just under 33k for the EXL. I feel this model is much improved, it can get 30 MPG on the highway if you drive reasonably, the interior is less plasticy and it is more aerodynamic, and someone recently asked me if I could move my Acura. The leather on each does not seem to have a real rich feel. I do hope to buy a Chevy or Ford for my next vehicle out of guilt and because I had a good experience with a Chevy van - I know vehicles are made all over but I still would feel better buying from an American owned company.
I never disagreed with diesel having a small, passionate following. In fact, I said as much.
If you need them, they're great. If you don't need them then... well, you don't need them.
When I picked up our "spare car" (the kids drive it, on occasion, whenever they're home) I purposely went for the Golf Sportwagen so I would have a tailgate vehicle. Ideally, Audi would sell the damn A4 Avant in the U.S., like they used to.
Yea, I don't need one and I just don't like the looks of them. If I needed the room to haul stuff, I'd look at the Allroad or something like that.
I really like the Pilot for hauling families if you can't bring yourself to buy a minivan.
The Macan is much smaller and is targeting an entirely different market. I would buy a Macan S over any "sporty" SUV.
The Macan is much smaller and is targeting an entirely different market. I would buy a Macan S over any "sporty" SUV.
The Yukon is an old design nowadays. I think if you are going HUGE, Ford has better full size F-150 based options now.
I never liked them (including Range Rovers).
Then I got to drive a nice Suburban. Smooth as silk with a lot of giddy-up and a monster interior. Could ride in that thing all day.
Back in the day, Mazdaspeed3 was a practical city car, yet great fun on the open road. Shame Mazda didn't come out with a Speed Edition for the latest incarnation of the 6. Test drove a Q50 Red Sport recently. Nice giddy up!
You don’t have young kids do you? I was in that camp too, but SUVs (and not just SUVs but minivans and the nearly extinct wagon as well) are just plain useful for so many reasons. Like...you gotta change a diaper and you don’t want to use the skanky changing table in the restaurant...pop the tailgate open and voila. Sportbacks look cool and all and they’re a bit more convenient than traditional trunks, but the slope of the roofline greatly diminishes its utility. And utility is why you get these SUVs and the like, right? I mean no SUV is going to outcorner and outhandle say...a Porsche Cayman. So it always makes me scratch my head to see these SUVs with no utility like the BMW X6. WTF? What’s the point???
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BMW doesn't make SUVs, only SAVs :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
There is something fairly awesome about a high-riding sports car with off-road chops. The Rally Fighter is a thing of beauty.
Not much of a market, but fun as hell. Add in adjustable ride height and some future tires that can transform from road to off-road ...you might have the most fun all-around car in the world.
There is something fairly awesome about a high-riding sports car with off-road chops. The Rally Fighter is a thing of beauty.
Not much of a market, but fun as hell. Add in adjustable ride height and some future tires that can transform from road to off-road ...you might have the most fun all-around car in the world.
Agree that SUV utility is where it's at for loads of people and gear. Throw in all-weather advantages and they're perfect for many.
Interesting as junior just bought my folks 06 outback ll bean w 97k miles. That car is more fun to drive than my ‘17 Mazda6. Ironically he was in the same car when my mom got t-boned at an intersection, the outback is a beast. Everyone walked away.
My dad has a ‘02 TT convertible. That car is a blast to drive. As Ferris would say, If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up.
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Thrown in diesel engine, they get great MPG, and can go over 600 miles on a tank of fuel. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Too many rich people on here.The most I will spend on a car is 15 to 20K.
My last purchase was a 2010 Honda CRV with 54,000 miles (Got a great deal and spent 10K on it). I have had no problems and just went over 110,000 miles.
I have been looking the past year to replace my 2002 Avalanche 2500 (V8 and 195,000 miles). The used Honda's appear to be a bit more pricey than I like. The luxury SUV's price drops significantly and I recommend looking for a 3 yr old SUV (AUDI/VW/Subaru). I like the VW Tiquan but it does seem a tad too small.
IMO, the Honda Pilot is a decent buy, not fancy, but gets the job done.
What is important to the OP?
Power? Reliability? Repair pricing? Electronics?
I bought many new cars in my younger years, but have a hard time justifying the expense as i near retirement age. My commuting car is a 2005 Mercury Sable with 150,000 miles. My goal is 200,000 miles for my vehicles.
My last purchase was a 2010 Honda CRV with 54,000 miles (Got a great deal and spent 10K on it). I have had no problems and just went over 110,000 miles.
I have been looking the past year to replace my 2002 Avalanche 2500 (V8 and 195,000 miles). The used Honda's appear to be a bit more pricey than I like. The luxury SUV's price drops significantly and I recommend looking for a 3 yr old SUV (AUDI/VW/Subaru). I like the VW Tiquan but it does seem a tad too small.
IMO, the Honda Pilot is a decent buy, not fancy, but gets the job done.
What is important to the OP?
Power? Reliability? Repair pricing? Electronics?
I bought many new cars in my younger years, but have a hard time justifying the expense as i near retirement age. My commuting car is a 2005 Mercury Sable with 150,000 miles. My goal is 200,000 miles for my vehicles.
The entire Kia line is underrated. they don't drive anyone's imagination, I guess, but they don't look bad and actually perform pretty well across the board.
My nephew has one but I feel it’s a waste of money. My sister will pick up her Lexus RX this Wed. Everybody has to have a SUV.
Meh. Not to my taste. The Sorrento is pretty decent. I just rented an Optima and Forte last week (a bunch of flight cancellations due to the storms) and put decent mileage on each car. Oddly enough, they felt cheaper and crappier than even their mechanical stablemates, the Hyundai Sonata and Elantra. And I'm not fan of those cars either, but at least they feel a little more refined on the interior. Will agree though the Optima looks a ton nicer on the exterior than the Sonata. Wouldn't mind getting behind the wheel of a Stinger though...
That's funny - after Sandy or Irene (I forget which), the windshield of our Sonata was smashed by a fallen branch, and while it was in the shop, we had a Kia Optima, which felt much more high-end in the interior than the Sonata did. I recall the car having a little more punch, too, but that maybe a faulty memory.
I'm not saying Kia is the new BMW - only that they aren't bad at all, but yet almost no play in these conversations.
No one's saying they're that great, but it's a matter of value for the dollar.
You buy used. I’d be afraid to unless I knew the person and was someone I can trust. I’d pick the car (from a lot) that had 5 oil changes over 74000 miles.
Kia makes great cars but they have a thin SUV lineup. Based on decisions from five years ago, for the moment, they have seemed to bet on the wrong horse.
Every person who has one tells me the same thing, they look nice on the outside and they take me from point a to point b and I am saving money doing.
No one ever says they are good cars or fun to drive or are high quality on the inside.
But if they are getting a Hyundai, then they don't care about that stuff.
Kia is weird, a lot of people who have drove them, like them, but no one wants to buy one.
Some of their corporate cousins are pretty great. Read the reviews of the G70.
Genesis is basically them trying to make a nice car. But, who going to want to get a high end Hyundai? I rarely seen them on the road.
People who used to buy Lexus when that brand was a noob. 90% of a Mercedes for 60% of the price.
