just haggle through email. Ask for a price and then go back to the ones that don't have the best price letting them know that you got a better deal. It'll get you the lowest price possible. I paid 43,9XX for the Pilot Touring AWD after taxes. Pretty good deal according to truecar.
OT: New car SUV
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A lot (my guess is most) of deals will either A) not give you a price via email, or B), give you a price and then not honor it when you come in.
Car dealerships HATE competing with one another via email. They want your body to sit through their five levels of sales BS.
That is not always true. Some dealerships do require that you at least show up once so they know you are a real person who is serious about buying. But, sometimes even for them, just calling them should be enough, at least once. But when I got my current car, I ONLY went to the dealership to sign the papers and drive away with the new car.
I've done this no fewer than 4 times in the last 10 years, with all different dealers. It works just fine.
Your dream car just came out! I probably can't fit in it, needs more leg room!
http://www.thedrive.com/news/23123/the-1478-horsepower-bugatti-divo-costs-5-8-million
How stupid - not that Bugatti makes it - but that there are people who line up to buy it.
They're all sold.
What's really sad is that most of these cars will never really get driven. They're snapped up by mega-wealthy collectors and stuffed into climate-controlled garages.
If I had 6 mil to blow on a car, I wouldn't blow it on a car. I'd drop about $1.5M on a Hylas 70 and spend the rest keeping it provisioned with fine food, better booze and a few women who are way too young for me.
And this perfectly supports my previous post. RU4Real who is by all accounts a car snob (well informed, I’ll give him that, but a car snob nonetheless who enjoys driving waaaay too fast) says he wouldn’t buy one even if he had 6MM to blow on a car. That’s a ridiculous amount of money. Hell, even the Veyron was a ridiculous amount of money. I don’t mean to tell people how to spend their money, but it’s unbelievable that there’s a market for this when there are so many better uses for this in the world.They're all sold.
What's really sad is that most of these cars will never really get driven. They're snapped up by mega-wealthy collectors and stuffed into climate-controlled garages.
If I had 6 mil to blow on a car, I wouldn't blow it on a car. I'd drop about $1.5M on a Hylas 70 and spend the rest keeping it provisioned with fine food, better booze and a few women who are way too young for me.
What's amazing, to me, is that over a 407 unit, 10 year, production run the Veyron was, at an average of about $2 million per copy, unprofitable.
How about this classic car, for only $48 million!
https://www.bloombergquint.com/purs...for-record-48-4-million-at-auction#gs.DICcyeA
0-60 5.4 seconds
1/4 mile 13.1 seconds
I have a car that's faster than that and it cost $48,360,000 less.
When it comes to performance, you'll find that I lack any sense of nostalgia.
Those awesome "muscle cars" of the late 60s and early 70s? Slower than a Honda Accord.
Wow- soooo, it has been a while since I was in the business or was not dealing with a close friend that was a sales manager or above. My son is looking to replace his 2012 jeep Sahara(totaled) for a new one and it used to be very easy just to go into the various trucar sites and plug in make/model/year and all of the options you may want and get all the info needed to figure out what to offer. Now, all of these sites want you to create a profile so that a million dealerships will contact you before you can get to their pricing models. what a pain in the ass.
BTW- sux that my son is only locked in a vehicle that buyers have almost no leverage on...looks like the most I can get off a $50k vehicle may be $2k at most even on this last day of the month.
BTW- sux that my son is only locked in a vehicle that buyers have almost no leverage on...looks like the most I can get off a $50k vehicle may be $2k at most even on this last day of the month.
Wranglers are NOT a good buy. Of course, you already know that. If he insists on spending the money, there's not much to be done.
Agree but they are a good vehicle and very hard to ever pry someone away from them once they have their first one. To be honest, except for the cost, it is a good choice for him. He commutes into the Bronx(Hunts Point) for work and those roads can beat the shit out of most other vehicles. Very similar to off-roading lol
No room to negotiate though and like I said, the car sites now suck and geared toward dealers rather than consumers like they used to be
I've never seen the value in buying a car to put on a shelf. There are other investments that show greater returns. Cars are for driving. Cars you can't drive are just expensive lawn ornaments.
If you want an off road/pothole champ for a reasonable price, I would suggest a used 4Runner. Older design & tech, but rock solid reliable.
People collect all kinds of things. People collect sneakers they never wear, cars they never drive, books they never read, watches that they never use to tell time...
Humans... it is what it is.
If you want an off road/pothole champ for a reasonable price, I would suggest a used 4Runner. Older design & tech, but rock solid reliable.
I owned a 2004 Sequoa for years, over 250k put on it and also had room in the 3rd row that an NFL OL could sit comfortable.
That said, we are talking a 26 y/o young man that has owned a Black on Black Sahara for 5 years. Certain things just arn't going to happen.
A while back- I had all kinds of money to throw around. I enjoyed a lot of things and was hoping to find something I could spend money on and also have a "investment" in something I enjoyed. I decided to start getting some really nice art pieces. I have some really nice original paintings and sculptures by some well known names. Funny, but at the time, I was in a 100 square ft 2 BR apartment for 1200 per month but had maybe 150k in artwork. Well, I thought great idea, I loved the artwork, looked great and it really was great conversation. Also very addicting.
A few years ago, I wanted to unload some of the artwork, found that because I bought from Gallerias and not auction, it was not an easy process and would have to sell via consignment. I most likely could have made some money but just not worth the effort.
I think that is like most "collections" ends up only being a false investment and in reality, only for your pleasure.
yes, great advise. NEVER EVER collect for money. People did that with baseball cards and comics which are both worth pennies to a dollar now. Most people who try to dump their collections of whatever, end up losing a ton of money.
If you are going to collect, only think of it as a hobby for the fun of it.
anyway.. back to SUVs...
back to the thread...do your research at home and determine a fair offer, considering payment terms and also being sure of what extra costs are legit and what are not. then go to dealer and plainly/politely say you will pay, not a penny more, and that any BS on their side will be a waste of their time and will not result in a sale.
keep in mind they will want profit in either (or all of) your financing, trade-in or the new vehicle.
keep in mind they will want profit in either (or all of) your financing, trade-in or the new vehicle.
Are we going to be in competition for one of the next round of scarce Cayman GT4s? Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if they were all already spoken for.
https://www.autotrader.com/car-video/heres-why-porsche-cayman-gt4-one-best-cars-ive-eve-257301
I would worry that the track-focused suspension would make the GT4 less livable, day to day, than a Cayman S.
I have been driving 24/7 with my suspension set to one click off the stiffest setting at all four corners; basically track settings (although at a more livable, less ridiculous looking ride height). So I'm used to that and kind of enjoy it, in a perverse way. I live for off-ramps.
And on the plus side, there's very little body roll or dive and squat even though I'm still running the stock sway bars.
OTOH, that's why I need a new SUV. Driving my car more than a couple hours, even on well-paved highway, is not really a pleasant thing.
Another downside is that my suspension seems to be quickly reaching end-of-life status and I'll need to replace it again soon. Apparently running that stiff doesn't make for good longevity. Who woulda thunk it? :)
Agree. Track cars generally are poor DD and using your sporty DD for the track will end up costing you big $$$. Unless you have $5 million stashed away, kart racing is IMO a better (as in cheaper) way to enjoy the track.
If I were doing it all over again, knowing what I know now, I would've gotten into carting heavily as a youth. Which surely, after quickly moving up through all the various junior series, would've eventually resulted in me having won a couple Formula One championships.Agree. Track cars generally are poor DD and using your sporty DD for the track will end up costing you big $$$. Unless you have $5 million stashed away, kart racing is IMO a better (as in cheaper) way to enjoy the track.
Surely.
I like the concept of diesels and their MPG efficiency, i'm not a fan of their emissions. Every European city has a "Diesel" smell, and its got to be from all the vehicles. Otherwise, i'd be totally down. The VW thing really messed things up, but i hope in a good way.
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Since i'll be in the market for a 3 row SUV that is big enough and nice enough without breaking the bank. I'll be looking at the new Buick Enclaves ( and its for my wife and the kiddos).
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I just rented a Chevy Traverse yesterday - its mechanical twin. They’re really nice and surprisingly decent to drive. There’s no getting around their size though. It’s a handful to parallel park 205 inches despite the cameras and gizmos and whatnot.Since i'll be in the market for a 3 row SUV that is big enough and nice enough without breaking the bank. I'll be looking at the new Buick Enclaves ( and its for my wife and the kiddos).
yeah, we had the previous gen Traverse and my wife hated it with only a rear view camera. Since we'll be getting one with the 360 surround view hopefully it will be better this time around. I was very impressed with the enclave, they def stepped it up in terms of design and comfort. No other real options for us with Tahoe being even bigger, and other smaller 3 row suvs not having as much space. We need every SQ inch we can get in a manageable size.
Believe so...the Traverse/Enclave is as big as they get in a ‘mid-size’ SUV. The Ascent is more Pilot in size (which is a smidge smaller).
So.. honest question guys.
How old is too old for a Wrangler Unlimited?
I've come close to getting one a couple of times because I love the looks, but then talk myself out of it because I'm not sure it suits a 39 year old with a professional job.
Been leaning more towards getting an Explorer Sport now.
How old is too old for a Wrangler Unlimited?
I've come close to getting one a couple of times because I love the looks, but then talk myself out of it because I'm not sure it suits a 39 year old with a professional job.
Been leaning more towards getting an Explorer Sport now.
The Wrangler is a phenomenal vehicle. Very easily the best in class. But it’s not a car. It’s loud, it skitters over pavement, it generally handles poorly. It’s not particularly spacious given its footprint. If you’re looking for a commuter, look elsewhere. If you’re looking for an offroad beast with unparalleled aftermarket support to help it excel offroad, then the Wrangler’s your vehicle.
I know all that stuff about the driving experience etc, and I'm ok with it. I would take it off-road maybe once a year with my boys, but that's it. I have a short commute so I don't care if it's a bumpy ride.
I'm more concerned with the image the Wrangler may project. Is it a kid's car? Is it the same thing as a middle-aged guy driving a Mustang GT? Is it ridiculous for a man wearing a suit to be getting into and out of a Wrangler at board meetings?
Screw them. If that’s what you want to drive that’s what you drive. Let the douchebag poseurs drive their Teutonic sedans. Success doesn’t always come pre-packaged.
FWIW, the CEO of a NJ-based former client of mine - quickly growing company with a market cap of 2.5B - drives a Wrangler.
Hey, that’s what I drive. I’m 50. Wrangler Unlimited last year of the last body style. 6 speed manual, 2dr with longer wheelbase, no frills. My commuter car, which includes a half hour of highway driving each way.
Isn’t the most comfortable, isn’t roomy, gets poor mileage, but it’s what I like. Also have an 06 4Runner for longer drives , more storage and towing on occasion.
Love them both./
Isn’t the most comfortable, isn’t roomy, gets poor mileage, but it’s what I like. Also have an 06 4Runner for longer drives , more storage and towing on occasion.
Love them both./
