I mean yeah that’s an outlier case and school . Of course that was wrong . But the stuff that UNC was doing with fake classes no one cared.
OT: Penn State football’s academics rank at the bottom of Big Ten after worst score in a decade
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every time I meet a UNC grad I ask about the fake classes. They care.
Oh did they stop rooting for the basketball team? Or want to vacate the championships roy won?
You're living in the past and your position would forever destine Rutgers football to being a bottom feeder in the B1G.
Do you think it matters to schiano !
? It appears he does kinda care, but he also has said he knows he’s judged by his game record on the field .
Most fans I don’t think care . Neither do the tv networks .
I think the fans lauding academics aren't being totally truthful though.
Don't we allow NCAA minimum qualifiers?
Should Rutgers raise the standard and make scholarship athletes academically qualifier like non student-athletes?
I believe Stanford and ND do that (could be totally wrong though).
When was the last time we had a transfer or recruit not qualify and someone said "Good. We don't want transfers who can't qualify. Doesn't matter how talented they are."
Don't we allow NCAA minimum qualifiers?
Should Rutgers raise the standard and make scholarship athletes academically qualifier like non student-athletes?
I believe Stanford and ND do that (could be totally wrong though).
When was the last time we had a transfer or recruit not qualify and someone said "Good. We don't want transfers who can't qualify. Doesn't matter how talented they are."
Exactly .
When Ito kicked that ball through the uprights, no one cared what his GPA was.
seems like typical PC business meeting talk then. Maybe ask them next time
Once they're done on the field I don't care about them anymore. It's strictly a business relationship now.
Go to class, don't, I don't care anymore.
Your opinion WAS exactly like mine. But the truth is college football IS a minor league pro sport now thanks to NIL, Conference realignment, expansion, etc.
I don't think they are mutually exclusive. It is college after all and most will not play in the NFL. I'm sure this is a minority opinion though.
Me playing 15 years ago is not remotely the same to today. They get so much more money now and on top of it get to have this charade that they're a paid pro athlete with likeness.
The moment NIL became real, academics bragging went out the window. Maybe a handful of those scholarship athletes are using their eduction to their benefit (I was one thank God).
If you are a student, obviously you want a degree from Duke, if you a 4 or 5 star football recruit, N/A, you are not there for the academics, you are there to advance your career in professional football. As for being associated with morons, do you think the actual students at USC, our newest conference member, give a damn, and if you think all but a small minority of football players at USC give a crap about academics, please, let's try and keep it real. Today's college football is played by professionals, the winning P4 fanbases understand and embrace this concept, but there always will be institutions such as Stanford, Vanderbilt, Duke, and Northwestern who live in denial and place some emphasis on academics for their athletes and are content just being part of a P4 conference, not necessarily seriously competing for championships. I guess based on some of the responses to this thread there are Rutgers fans who would be satisfied being associated with that group and not necessarily competing with the top tier athletic programs within the P4, however, that's not me, as a legacy alumnus I say screw the academics, let's hire the best players and win some damn games.
Yes.
Problem is the metrics they use are really dumb and flawed. Schools lose points for players who left early for the NFL. They also lose points for walk ons who were offered scholarships at other schools and transferred. All Transfers lose points. Over half the transfers around the country were walk ons.
The academic rank is not based just on academics. It is like the best small town lists that dont list the best small towns because they did not have enough diversity.
I'd take last in academics if we had the success of their program.
I read PSU is around 6th based on academics. This formula then deducts pts for transfers, players leaving early for the NFL and so on.
I would take the opposite.
I am not saying Penn State not doing well in the classroom but you can't tell based on the APR. It really is lazy journalism not to dig deeper why the score is low.
APR is the dumbest measurement. The NCAA came up with it to hide embarrassing low graduation rates. You can actually have a 0% graduation rate while still having a high APR. Here is the reason why it a joke. A player who is academically ineligible but remains on the roster counts scores the same way as a player who academically is eligible but decide to transfer for playing time.
For Example
Team A
85 players all eligible for the spring=85 points
20 players transfer and 65 remain on the roster for the spring=65 points
APR score is 150 points out of 170 possible=882 APR
Team B
65 players are eligible for the spring=65 points
85 players return on the roster for the spring=85
APR score is 150 points out of 170 possible=882 APR
So both teams have the same APR yet every single player on Team A is getting the job done in the classroom yet has the same score as Team B who has 20 players who couldn't even meet the NCAA academic minimum. So tell me how does this measure academic progress?
Joe knew
Absolutely.
these morally corrupt cultists couldn’t care less about kids getting ass raped in their showers (and they knew/ covered it… for years)
What makes any one think they give a rats ass about grades???? LOL
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You actually go out of your way to ask that? Good grief.
That’s like someone hearing you’re a Rutgers fan and asking about Mike Rice abusing his players.
Get outta here with that trash
RU used to have an online alumni database. Once I searched for about 25 basketball players I remembered dating back to the mid 80s (when I began at RU) and not a single one was listed (not one of them graduated).
As mentioned above, APR was created to mask the absurdity of revenue sport athlete academics. Why not just use ‘graduation rate’ you ask ? Because the stats would be shameful and publicly embarrassing, here and everywhere, even in the easiest of majors and classes. So the NCAA invented a ridiculous ‘progress’ measurement which ignores whether players actually graduate.
It ain’t about academics.
As mentioned above, APR was created to mask the absurdity of revenue sport athlete academics. Why not just use ‘graduation rate’ you ask ? Because the stats would be shameful and publicly embarrassing, here and everywhere, even in the easiest of majors and classes. So the NCAA invented a ridiculous ‘progress’ measurement which ignores whether players actually graduate.
It ain’t about academics.
Interesting how their football academics ranking decline is in line with their school educational ranking decline that were posted recently. There might be some true in it. There were three different rankings posted and all three showed terrible rankings for Penn State.
I don’t think we will ever catch up with Penn State in football unless there’s another Sandusky scandal.
I don’t think we will ever catch up with Penn State in football unless there’s another Sandusky scandal.
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If it was about academics we would either be still in the American with Tulane, Rice and SMU (for this year at least) or in the Ivy League/Patriot League.
That ship sailed in the 70s.
Academics matter to coaches only when it helps them win. Schiano might tout APR to a receptive prized recruit & family. But he’d be lying if he said academics are his priority. He’s no different than any other coach. Ask Ken Niumatalolo if academics matter.
Flood would not have worn a disguise and met a professor 15 miles away to get a reserve’s grade changed.
C’mon now. Athlete academics is not something to brag about and feel superior to PSU or any other university over.
Flood would not have worn a disguise and met a professor 15 miles away to get a reserve’s grade changed.
C’mon now. Athlete academics is not something to brag about and feel superior to PSU or any other university over.
Ped State is a school in decline.
Check out their overall academic rankings.
You'd be hard pressed to find an academic ranking now where they are ahead of us. They're behind is USNWR, WSJ, Forbes...
Their SAT and GPA numbers are floundering.
I don't know if it was COVID or the admin or what but they're in trouble.
Check out their overall academic rankings.
You'd be hard pressed to find an academic ranking now where they are ahead of us. They're behind is USNWR, WSJ, Forbes...
Their SAT and GPA numbers are floundering.
I don't know if it was COVID or the admin or what but they're in trouble.
Any actual RU alumni would.
Besides, we have been an academic and athletic success in recent memory. Schiano 1.0 and the MBB program, along with most every other athletic program on the upswing, are evidence.
Not to mention RU is a top 20 public U, and tied w Maryland as the top public school in Northeast.
Yeah, we're never going to be the Cult or Alabama. AKA a punchline. Something actual alums approve of.
"We care about academics"
"We don't care about academics, we care about wins"
"But you SHOULD care about academics"
"We don't care about academics, we care about wins. What are you going to do about it?"
Many fans are the same way. Everybody wants to win, but the standards involved to achieve those wins vary.
"We don't care about academics, we care about wins"
"But you SHOULD care about academics"
"We don't care about academics, we care about wins. What are you going to do about it?"
Many fans are the same way. Everybody wants to win, but the standards involved to achieve those wins vary.
Ok, how bout Kyle Flood meeting professors on behalf of players to give them passing grades to remain eligible? That's essentially the EXACT same thing...
Sit down loser
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Let's just call this out for what it is, If you wanna go to School in New Jersey for high Academics, go to Princeton, if you wanna go to school in Pa with High Academics, go to Upenn or Carnegie Mellon.
This is just silly
This is just silly
True . But I thought it was barnwell’s grade flood tried to change? Barnwell was a good player and starter here . Good try by flood !
I don't know if it's a slight on Penn State or an insult to Rutgers what you just wrote.
You just stated that the school was in trouble because their academics are lower than RU, implying what exactly? That RU's numbers are trash and to be lower than us indicates a university is "In decline/trouble".
Let's be honest, a school with a total enrollment of nearly 90k is the furthest thing from being "In Trouble".
This entire thread is just sillyness
