Here is what happened. Everyone knew what was going on at Penn State. The problem was that Sandusky was helping them win. Winning was more important than protecting young boys. This happens in companies with sexual harassment. Look what Ailes at Fox News got away with. And he still has a job.
OT: Schiano Knew Too
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What this means is:
1. GS was caught up in the Winning is everything culture Joe Knew Paterno / administration fostered
2. I wanted GS back....sometimes the best wishes don't come true
MO
The victims weren't some young men (17+) these were little boys with Sandusky in the shower. How in Gods earth didn't Gary go in the shower and just beat the life out of Sandusky??? I mean If the victims looked like men maybe I can see him walking away thinking the victims were of age. But these were young boys. Man this is all true I hope GS gets banned for life and whoever else was involed in this.
Definitely not the right thing to do (keeping mouth shut), but perspective on situation at the time does add more color to why this was not raised back then.
This was the same thought I had. Bradley would, in effect, be saying "We all know and don't care" or
"We all know but we don't dare cross Joe who has told us to never report" so it doesn't make sense.
Seems like it's looking more and more like Schiano and Bradley are the liars.
Won't say they are, but think McQueary comes through as the most honest of the three, but still part of the cover-up .
Not saying you are crazy, but how do you come to that conclusion ? For all their careers Schiano and Bradley seem like more reliable and honest than McQueary , who at times seems like he has a screw loose.
After reading this article, I would agree with you, noting that reading the article should take place right before bedtime.
I find it really hard to believe that McQueary testified under oath at least 5 times (5 times up until when the article was written) and never once did the media report anything about him referencing Schiano/Bradley. It seems as if he's dribbling out information as time goes on and as pointed out by the article many believe each time he testifies, different and inconsistent details emerge.
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/10542793/the-whistleblower-last-stand
Mghjt seem a bit selfish given all but THANK GOD this didn't come out 5-10 years ago when Schiano was head coach. The only REMOTE argument for Schiano was that he was only a grad assistant and did mention what he saw.
I am inclined to believe McQueary. He spoke under oath, he had nothing to gain by the things he said and he's been consistent.
Can you imagine? Our campus would be an absolute circus, with sit-ins, shut-downs, protests, and probably riots. The football program would probably be shut down. Not to mention the 24*7 ESPN coverage.
Nevertheless, if this is true (a big "if"), Schiano should never be allowed to coach again.
Nevertheless, if this is true (a big "if"), Schiano should never be allowed to coach again.
McQueasy's deposition testimony is clearly hearsay that would be inadmissible in a court of law. (Rules of evidence don't apply in depositions, for the most part). He didn't hear Schiano's statement; he's just telling us what Bradley told him Schiano said and did. I'd take this with the proverbial grain of salt.
Can understand your point and what I said seems crazy if you think about the careers and respect those two men had compared to McQueary.
But in this case doubt has been cast on their character by the claim they knew and knowing how the cult refuses to believe ( admit) JoePed knew and helped cover up the Sandusky molestation.
Right now this is the first time a definite connection between Bradley and Schiano knowing about Sandusky has been put in print, but allegations that some PSU assistant coaches knew have been out there for years and it might be that Schiano and Bradley were some of the ones being mentioned but not named.
That's why I posted McQueary might be the most creditable of the three when it comes to who knew.
I'm not going to act like a cult of Joe "the Enabler" member where Schiano is concerned and
look for ways to put McQueary down just to make Greg look like he's being lied about.
I truly hope I'm wrong, but for now have my doubts and will post those doubts .
I do understand there are those who feel what McQueary claims is BS and won't belive what he says . I'll just go by the fact other coaches were said to have known ( years ago) and add that up to being Schiano & Bradley being part of the ones that knew.
This is true,Schiano would be a fresh complaint witness if he came forth and said this was true,but it's just here say ,thru a third party..it bothers me this went on since 1976,and nobody contacted municipal police or state police?
McQueary's own teammates told reporters (see link above) he was a compulsive gambler , betting on College and Pro football including Penn St games (possibly the RU game where he threw a late TD), he also broke down in front of players after his original testiomony saying he himself was Sexually Abused as a child (nobody had ever heard that before or had he told anyone), his wife and daughter move far away from him, and his testimoney is also contradicted by many other (Dranov, the fathers doctor frind, the PSU admin). Yet Bradley and Schiano have had pretty pristine reputations for decades.
Something just doesn't add up.
I still think Paterno knew more , especially before 2001, but I am still hesitant to believe McQueary and his somewhat checkered past over the honesty of Bradley and Schiano.
You are 100% correct, but this is the court of public opinion. I like how you spelt MM's last name.
If Bradley was covering something up why would he tell mcqueery that story? Makes no sense imo.
Bradley could just be the liar since he made up the story about Schiano to make McQueary feel everything was fine.
Squeeky clean Bradley lies about Schiano to make McQueary feel good? lol, c'mon, Schiano was Bradley's close friend, and McQueary a doofus GA . That makes no sense at all.
Completely disagree. A grad assistant going to his boss with the information is completely different than the head coach not taking action on an assistant. I'm am not saying Greg handled it properly (if the testimony is accurate), but the comparison is not even close.
I hope it's not true about Greg . But really I think a lot of people in that position that Greg was in, probably handle it the same way . Young coach , doesn't want his carreer to get the axe by joe before he even gets started .
It doesn't make it right though.
It doesn't make it right though.
It seems a given that most everybody in PSU football knew. At least knew something was askew according to this board. What about the rest of the athletic department? The other coaches throughout the dept? What about players? It must've gotten around to them. And what about the faculty and PSU administration? Are we to believe every coach on the football team knew, but nobody else in the whole University?
If Schiano saw it and didn't act, his career...his life should suffer greatly. But to hang him on what evidence there is -- because you didn't like him as a FB coach -- is just plain wrong.
If Schiano saw it and didn't act, his career...his life should suffer greatly. But to hang him on what evidence there is -- because you didn't like him as a FB coach -- is just plain wrong.
There was a game against Navy on CBS Sports Network where the color guy called him Gary instead of Greg the whole time. This was in 2002/3 I think after we were more established so it made no sense. I like how you know this.
Pretty sure he was Randy Cross. Didn't know any of the players either. He was extremely unprepared for the broadcast.
Funny comments on Randy Cross :
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/randy-cross-needs-to-be-fired.106695362/
I'm curious how McQ, Paterno, Curley and Spainer would have proceeded if McQ saw Sandusky in the shower in the "see something, say something" era of the mid to late 2010s instead of early 2001, when the first big child sex abuse case in recent times would emerge a year later in 2002 (Archdiocese of Boston), we were seven months away from the one event that would make everyone hypervigilant abut any threat to safety and we haven't applied that level of accountability back then to witnesses of child sex abuse (and other violent acts) and "reporters" that we do now.
What blows my mind is why did Paterno allow this to go on? What did Sandusky threaten Paterno with? None of this makes sense,since Joe could have fired Sandusky in a heart beat, and nothing would have been questioned.
I really am impressed by the number of people who rush to judgment on a deposition given a few years ago about a conversation he had 10 years before that wherein he was told about something that happened 10 years before that.
If all true, Schiano was very wrong (but I would still never walk in his shoes). However, since we'll never know, I really don't feel the need to judge him (and feel superior for a day).
The guy has a great wife and family and he did a lot for this program. He's a good guy and he deserves the benefit of the doubt. My opinion.
If all true, Schiano was very wrong (but I would still never walk in his shoes). However, since we'll never know, I really don't feel the need to judge him (and feel superior for a day).
The guy has a great wife and family and he did a lot for this program. He's a good guy and he deserves the benefit of the doubt. My opinion.
Did you know that Anderson testified at Jerry's trial on his
behalf? When I read this I was finished with this guy, and I was
always a backer of Anderson, but not after I read this.
How on earth didn't Gary go in the shower and just beat the life out of Sandusky? Well, I always knew the guy
was just a bull shit artist. Not my kind of guy. Always believed he was a low life, not to be trusted, let alone
put on a pedestal.
Gary does not have anything to fear from the law. And, there is more than likely no real proof he did or did not see anything but...right or wrong, he is getting crucified in public so he better find a way to get out in front of this and he needs to do it quick.
