on behalf of all of us fans, another big thank you to Hobbs for not listening to some of us who wanted GS interviewed for the job opening
OT: Schiano Knew Too
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on behalf of all of us fans, another big thank you to Hobbs for not listening to some of us who wanted GS interviewed for the job opening
Would they? The deposition wasn't public until today. Plus there's no indication that Schiano and Bradley are just learning about McQueary's testimony today - they just haven't been compelled to comment on it.
Personally, I think the odds are about 2:1 that this whole thing blows over. Whether the conversation between Schiano and Bradley occurred or not isn't really relevant. McQueary's statement is hearsay, so it's not really useful for anything.
I think Schiano probably knew. I've been saying that since Day 1 of this whole mess. But I think a LOT of people knew. It's my opinion, based on the general tone and demeanor of Joe Paterno and his program as well as the the statements made by Vicky Triponey about her interactions with Paterno and the PSU leadership during her tenure, that the culture at Penn State was rotten to the core.
I think the genuinely relevant phenomena here isn't "this horrible thing happened at Penn State and was covered up and omigod why". I think it's that the culture at Penn State during the Paterno years was such that it made what happened truly inevitable.
Why am I not surprised at how quickly people jump to conclusions. Let the pieces fall where they may. We're sure to hear more over the coming weeks. Hopefully then we can make a better guess at what really may have happened.
Just to be clear, mike mqueary is testifying about a conversation he had ~10 years ago with tom Bradley, about a conversation bradley had with Schiano ~15 years before that?
If it's true, Schiano is dead to me, but this seems like a recipe for misremembering.
Also, MM has been universally skewered for witnessing a rape, slinking away from the scene of the crime, waiting some time, and then only reporting it to one superior. The cynic in me finds it interesting that after years of being shit on, he now testifies about someone else doing the exact same cowardly thing.
I do think the whole staff might have known though.
If it's true, Schiano is dead to me, but this seems like a recipe for misremembering.
Also, MM has been universally skewered for witnessing a rape, slinking away from the scene of the crime, waiting some time, and then only reporting it to one superior. The cynic in me finds it interesting that after years of being shit on, he now testifies about someone else doing the exact same cowardly thing.
I do think the whole staff might have known though.
McQueary was a coward and a weakling if he saw what he described, in one of his versions, and then reacted like he did. Why would he lie? Because he already has, at least once, and because he's trying to get a large whistleblower settlement.
The depositions were under confidentiality agreements until the Insurance company involved in the lawsuit with Penn State indicated some coaches knew per information in the depositions, and the judge ruled the media could access the information and make public. All of which has led to claims and speculation.
Just strikes me as a very odd thing to make up if you are McQueary. Additionally, if I were in his shoes, I wouldn't put Bradley or Schiano in that position if it weren't true. My intuition says that Bradley told McQueary that Schiano witnessed something. Obviously I can't prove it, but my spidey-sense is going off on this.
Have no idea what the real story is here re: the assistants.
I do know that it would be an absolute s***storm if Schiano was our coach. Politi and friends would be sharpening their axes
Sooooo grateful that Ash is here.
I do know that it would be an absolute s***storm if Schiano was our coach. Politi and friends would be sharpening their axes
Sooooo grateful that Ash is here.
You don't have to be a FBI criminal profiler to know even predators have learning curves. Criminals learn on the job. Example: serial killers that start with animals while kids and move up to bigger prey as they mature.
I didn't say it well, but what I meant to say was that I just don't see how it's possible they didn't know about that deposition a long time ago. So I think we agree on that.
So either they had some idea of what what happening and got their story together a long time ago, or they had no idea of what was happening and any subsequent discussions about the matter were moot.
We also agree that the culture surrounding the PSU football program was clearly rotten (and judging by BWI, still is rotten in a segment of the fan-base). The degree of that rot and the number of people infected by it is hard to say. Even harder to say who and how many people knew about Sandusky and how early they found out.
Not that odd. The statement provides some cover for McQueary that he was not some spineless jellyfish who did nothing--he did what everyone else did--they told their boss. He did his job, and that is all that was required. Greg Schiano did it that way when he told Bradley. That's the way we did it at Penn State. Lame as hell, but it provides him a little bit of cover.
If you have ever been deposed where a range of topics and time frames are covered, things can pop into your head and you state things that might not be 100% factually accurate, especially when you are recalling events from 10 or 15 years ago.
Phone call today--"Hi Coach Bradley it's Greg. Did you see the news today? Yeah, what the hell was McQueary talking about in that deposition? I don't remember it that way at all or seeing anything or saying anything to you, right? So, you don't remember him saying that to you? Good. Good luck this year, maybe we'll see you at the Rose Bowl."
I understand. But don't you think both Schiano and Bradley would have been questioned by investigators subsequent to McQueary's deposition (before it was unsealed by the judge)?
You would think, however, I also think that Penn State wanted to get these civil claims resolved as quickly as possible to limit continued exposure/bad press, as opposed to following through on all claims and witnesses statements. So in haste, they probably didn't follow through on much of what was said to either prove one way or another, and paid up.
A brilliant observation by an obviously unbiased observer. Now why don't you slink back to your hole?
I'm not so sure that McQueary would forget the details of a conversation with Bradley over a topic like this. If the deposition was addressing a conversation McQueary had with Bradley 15 years ago about Bradley's favorite brand of cookies...you could convince me that it is likely that McQueary could forget some key details of the conversation. If the conversation was something like, I don't know, witnessing a man raping a child, and the other person says something along the lines of 'Oh...you know who else saw that same man abusing a child once...Greg Schiano....head coach at Rutgers'. That you probably don't forget.
In my mind, it isn't a question of McQueary forgetting key details in terms of who the major players were in that conversation. To convince me that McQueary got it wrong, you have to convince me that he made it all up, and under these circumstances, I just don't buy that.
And I do buy the idea that someone like McQueary or even Schiano, as young grad assistants/coaches could wimp out and do nothing. If I stumbled across a situation like that, I suspect my blood would totally flow out of my body while in shock and I would be paralyzed to some degree. Seeing my superior or someone high profile in my organization doing something like that would be difficult to process. Maybe I'd bull-charge them and kick their ass, but maybe I'd stumble out confused and shocked.
SIAP Why on earth would Bradley say this to a low level ass't. in McQueary? He automatically implicates himself. He doesn't strike me as that stupid.
The Schiano allegations are double hearsay but I do wonder if this played into Hobbs' process in not hiring him.
At the end of the day, if he knew and did nothing he is just as a guilty as the others. It's an if right now, though.
At the end of the day, if he knew and did nothing he is just as a guilty as the others. It's an if right now, though.
"In response to deposition, Greg Schiano said: “I never saw any abuse, nor had reason to suspect any abuse, during my time at Penn State.”
from @AdamSchefter
from @AdamSchefter
Whew, You nailed it... BOY would it suck beyond belief if we took this guy back instead of going with Ash. Thank god
GS has been told no doubt by his lawyers , deny, deny, deny. He really has no skin in the game. They know there are no videos, audio, just one ex coach telling his side of the story. I 100% beleive it happened but unless someone had a hidden recorder this is going no where.
Agree with this.
Nevertheless, it would be nice for someone to stand up and do the right thing because it is the right thing.
Lawyers for the insurance companies and/or victims. Double hearsay or not, you can damn well bet they'd like to have on the record if there was a second McQ-like eyewitness to Sandusky's abuse.
Is there a pending litigation or unresolved insurance claim? Otherwise, they just can't depose somebody because they feel like it or someone wants them to.
One difference here. Schiano is still alive, so I'd like to at least hear what he has to say about this - as opposed to JoePa, who "conveniently" died before he could be held accountable. If Schiano and everyone else knew and did nothing about it, that's simply inexcusable and I'm one of the biggest Schiano fans out there. Makes me wonder if Hobbs knew about this and if it affected his search at all, since many people (including me) were calling for RU to bring back Greg. Ash is looking better every day - good thing I'm not the AD, lol.
sandusky and paterno are/where disgusting pieces of filth. Everything close to them has turned to shit.
From what I know about GS this just doesn't seem to fit his character, but how can you ever know for sure. I am torn at this point on whether we should get rid of him just because or trust in his statement. I am sure the university will look into it a little deeper, but unless real evidence comes forward, like a first hand account, they will keep him on.
From what I know about GS this just doesn't seem to fit his character, but how can you ever know for sure. I am torn at this point on whether we should get rid of him just because or trust in his statement. I am sure the university will look into it a little deeper, but unless real evidence comes forward, like a first hand account, they will keep him on.
I tend to think that someone like McQueary and Schiano (at the time) were not in a position to blow the lid off the thing if the powers that be at Penn State football didn't want it to happen. Would be like an alter boy going against his priest, the bishop, and the pope and taking down the church...they just don't have the strength, gravitas, and guts to go against their leadership.
Fast forward to the Sandusky scandal blowing up, and at that point, Schiano, if he knew something, should have manned up and said he witnessed something years earlier, he was ashamed he did nothing, he felt powerless, etc. While not admirable that he did nothing at the time (similar to McQueary), I can wrap my head around it a bit. To compound one deception with another is unforgivable, and if it turns out he knew...and I suspect he did...then he is really a piece of garbage.
I understand that but come on I don't think he is dumb enough to start in a shower full of people. It would be more credible if he did little or no grooming and was alone with the kid. That like saying a serial killer going to make his first kill in in the middle of a room where everyone knows who he is then evolve into concealing his murders.
There is no benefit to the carrier, the judge already made several rulings none of which appear to hinge on GS' testimony.
Really it is up to GS and what he wants with his career, is he just going to bank on people forgetting or clearing his name in case they don't?
The world or country we live in I would hope places the burden of proof on the accuser and not the other way around. Getting rid of Schiano at this time would be something similar to claims made against you or me and losing our jobs even though those claims were not substantiated. But then again, our media renders judgement in the court of public opinion without any concern for the truth, solely for the benefit of the almighty dollar. The pen is mightier than the sword. It's sad what we've evolved into.
