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OT: True Detective 2 revisited

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wow that sucked. i thought it had potential after the first episode.

what a drag. I dont even know why I watched the entire season. Watching that finale was the most painful.

to be honest im not really sure what the hell was going on this season.
 
wow that sucked. i thought it had potential after the first episode.

what a drag. I dont even know why I watched the entire season. Watching that finale was the most painful.

to be honest im not really sure what the hell was going on this season.

You are not alone. I watched every episode and for the life of me, I have no idea what was going on or who the good guys were or the bad guys. The only thing I knew by the end was that Ray was the kid's father.
 
You are not alone. I watched every episode and for the life of me, I have no idea what was going on or who the good guys were or the bad guys. The only thing I knew by the end was that Ray was the kid's father.
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I thought it was just me....like I missed a couple of episodes and lost track.....

the first season it was a lot easier to follow the story line.....and the people talked normal....this show, the dialogue was crazy, people just don't have conversations like that, monotone, dark, no emotion, no facial expressions for the most part

my favorite scene from this past episode was when Frank was trying to get his wife to go away, they both throw their rings away, they make up....between the dialogue and monotone is was funny and bad
 
Whoever cast Vaughn should be fired. Disappointed after a great season one. Worst seen was when Vince was laying in bed telling his wife how as a kid he was locked in his basement and there were rats that he killed with his bare hands. It's was totally unbelievable.
 
I couldn't make it through the first episode. Tried several times but for the life of me, couldn't figure out what story line they were trying to establish. It was very discombobulated.
 
Well Ballerz makes me laugh, lol. And the eye candy isn't bad either !
 
I didn't dislike vaughn or the dialogue as much as some of you guys, but the finale made no sense. They fought and fought, and killed nearly everyone. They went and got the money to start a new life. Then both basically committed suicide at the end. It just made no sense.

Even assuming he goes to check on the kid because he can't help himself, Farrell gets in the car and drives, knowing its got a tracker on it. Why? He knows how to steal a car. He even knew no one was watching him. Then, after he manages to kill half of the pursuers in the woods, he inexplicably leaps out from behind a tree in front of 3 guys with machine guns. Why would he do that. He would keep moving from tree to tree trying to pick them off one by one, and he would succeed or fail. Instead he jumps out and commits suicide.

Vince Vaughan does the same thing. First, there is absolutely no explanation for how the mexicans found him on a random highway where no one knew he would be, since he just came from the cabin. Second, after he seemingly convinces them to take all the money and leave, he attacks one of them over his suit, with 5 guys already pointing guns at him. Why would he do that?

They just wanted to get to where the women lived and the men died, and didn't really put enough thought into how to get there.
 
I didn't dislike vaughn or the dialogue as much as some of you guys, but the finale made no sense. They fought and fought, and killed nearly everyone. They went and got the money to start a new life. Then both basically committed suicide at the end. It just made no sense.

Even assuming he goes to check on the kid because he can't help himself, Farrell gets in the car and drives, knowing its got a tracker on it. Why? He knows how to steal a car. He even knew no one was watching him. Then, after he manages to kill half of the pursuers in the woods, he inexplicably leaps out from behind a tree in front of 3 guys with machine guns. Why would he do that. He would keep moving from tree to tree trying to pick them off one by one, and he would succeed or fail. Instead he jumps out and commits suicide.

Vince Vaughan does the same thing. First, there is absolutely no explanation for how the mexicans found him on a random highway where no one knew he would be, since he just came from the cabin. Second, after he seemingly convinces them to take all the money and leave, he attacks one of them over his suit, with 5 guys already pointing guns at him. Why would he do that?

They just wanted to get to where the women lived and the men died, and didn't really put enough thought into how to get there.

He did not want to give up his suit because he had 3.5 million dollars worth of diamonds in his pocket.
Overall, I was disappointed in this season.
 
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The only person happy with the last episode was Taylor Kitsch because he was killed off the episode before.

I thought the casting was horrible. When you think Vaughn wasn't the worst you know the show was in trouble. There were just too many characters and the storyline went in too many directions for only 8 episodes. Even the writers of Game of Thrones were confused.
 
Agree with all of the above. I found myself dozing off through most of the episodes. Frank was the only somewhat interesting character but the dialogue was cryptic, fragmented and confusing. Almost a total fail IMO.
 
Agree with all of the above. I found myself dozing off through most of the episodes. Frank was the only somewhat interesting character but the dialogue was cryptic, fragmented and confusing. Almost a total fail IMO.

Yeah, a bit disappointing overall. Vaughn seemed to have all the best lines, but they were so out of the blue & a bit like the screenwriters were having too much fun without making sense. Actually liked Frank's death walk. You knew he was done but you could see he wasn't about to give in. Kinda sucked they 'won' but wound up dead. Similar to Dexter, in how they beat all odds, but couldn't be happy in the end. Thought 2 out of 4 would somehow make it out.
 
He did not want to give up his suit because he had 3.5 million dollars worth of diamonds in his pocket.
Overall, I was disappointed in this season.
I loved how his solution for not giving away those diamonds wasn't to think of something quick on his feet ("hey I just gave you a million in cash, let me hold onto the earrings in my pocket that I just bought my wife"). Instead, it was to pick a fight with a group of 7 guys who were originally intent on killing him.

I actually thought the purpose of the fight was to allow him to basically pickpocket himself before giving up the suit, but that would have made too much sense.
 
Well, the entire show was built around "Strange Coincidences" - so, someday I'll do some more internet research and try to figure out what the point was supposed to be...

Compared to the amazing acting in season 1 - this season never really had a chance....

I watched every episode. It was "okay" - not great.

I don't mind Vince Vaughn -- but agree, this was a mis-casting. He did fine -- but was never really believable.

Sure, a lot of mis-steps in the final episode storyline -- but you can say that about the entire season. It was never going to be a happy ending....
 
I still get the feeling that Pizzolato was trying to troll a lot of people with this season like his old director (in Episode 3) and the critics who called him out for pretentious dialogue and misogyny in Season 1. "Hey look everyone, if you thing Matthew McC bloviating about flat circles is pretentious and annoying, just wait to you see what lines I've developed for Vince Vaughn!" "Women got a bad rap in Season 1? Guess what? They live and the male protagonists die in Season 2!"

The McCandless character made me keep thinking about the McCandless character played by Anthony Hopkins in Freejack back in the 80s, which I think was Mick Jagger's first and last movie role.
 
My heart broke for Chad Velcoro. Ugh.
The kid who played him (Trevor Larcom) did an awesome job.
 
Well, the entire show was built around "Strange Coincidences" - so, someday I'll do some more internet research and try to figure out what the point was supposed to be...

Compared to the amazing acting in season 1 - this season never really had a chance....

I watched every episode. It was "okay" - not great.

I don't mind Vince Vaughn -- but agree, this was a mis-casting. He did fine -- but was never really believable.

Sure, a lot of mis-steps in the final episode storyline -- but you can say that about the entire season. It was never going to be a happy ending....

I love Vaughn in a number of movies with swingers and wedding crashes as my two favorite of his. He just should never have been cast for this role and was totally unbelievable.
 
wow that sucked. i thought it had potential after the first episode.

what a drag. I dont even know why I watched the entire season. Watching that finale was the most painful.

to be honest im not really sure what the hell was going on this season.

I'm happy you said it, because I had NO idea what was going on. I'm still not sure what happened at the end there. Very confusing. I understand clever plotlines, but that was a labyrinthe and hopelessly confusing. I thought Vince Vaughn's character was good. Those subplots I understood. But, on the whole, the underlying motives -- very confusing
 
I think in the end, it was too much to cover properly in 8 episodes. It started out as a relatively sordid murder, then a scandal/underworld dealings being exposed by said murder, then back to the murder & trying to untangle everything else resulting from it. Odd to think that the case doesn't progress anywhere without Frank, who would've been screwed anyway since Osip was already cutting him out before the murder.
 
Even assuming he goes to check on the kid because he can't help himself, Farrell gets in the car and drives, knowing its got a tracker on it. Why? He knows how to steal a car. He even knew no one was watching him. Then, after he manages to kill half of the pursuers in the woods, he inexplicably leaps out from behind a tree in front of 3 guys with machine guns. Why would he do that. He would keep moving from tree to tree trying to pick them off one by one, and he would succeed or fail. Instead he jumps out and commits suicide.

I think he decided to leave it on so they'd follow him instead of looking for the women. He didn't expect to run out of gas or have no phone service. If you noticed he was in full panic mode.

Not trying to pick your point apart but there were 5 guys after him. He killed two but there were still 3 left, two with automatic weapons. He was buying time for the recording to upload but when it became obvious it wasn't working, he had to reason to fight a losing battle anymore. They were right on top of him so he tried the only thing he had left.
 
Concerning Velcoro & jumping out like he did, once he was out of bullets for his handgun, it was unlikely he'd be able to shoot himself out of there. I think he jumped out to force them to kill him, instead of taking him alive and possibly give out the info to endanger the women & those who helped them. Besides torture, there would've been a lot of other leverage available to them to make him give it up.
 
I think he decided to leave it on so they'd follow him instead of looking for the women. He didn't expect to run out of gas or have no phone service. If you noticed he was in full panic mode.

Not trying to pick your point apart but there were 5 guys after him. He killed two but there were still 3 left, two with automatic weapons. He was buying time for the recording to upload but when it became obvious it wasn't working, he had to reason to fight a losing battle anymore. They were right on top of him so he tried the only thing he had left.

I said he leapt out in front of 3 guys after killing half of them. Either way, all fair points. For me:

1. They had no clue where the women were. Finding the women would have been as ridiculous as the Mexicans surrounding Vaughn at a random spot on the way back from the cabin.

2. Even if that was his motivation, and he thought he had to bait them out to the woods for a showdown, why jump out from cover like that when guys (any number of guys) with automatic weapons are after you. No one with any training would do that. In a full panic, when training kicks in, he would not behave that way given his background. Just my $0.02.
 
I didn't dislike vaughn or the dialogue as much as some of you guys, but the finale made no sense. They fought and fought, and killed nearly everyone. They went and got the money to start a new life. Then both basically committed suicide at the end. It just made no sense.

Even assuming he goes to check on the kid because he can't help himself, Farrell gets in the car and drives, knowing its got a tracker on it. Why? He knows how to steal a car. He even knew no one was watching him. Then, after he manages to kill half of the pursuers in the woods, he inexplicably leaps out from behind a tree in front of 3 guys with machine guns. Why would he do that. He would keep moving from tree to tree trying to pick them off one by one, and he would succeed or fail. Instead he jumps out and commits suicide.

Vince Vaughan does the same thing. First, there is absolutely no explanation for how the mexicans found him on a random highway where no one knew he would be, since he just came from the cabin. Second, after he seemingly convinces them to take all the money and leave, he attacks one of them over his suit, with 5 guys already pointing guns at him. Why would he do that?

They just wanted to get to where the women lived and the men died, and didn't really put enough thought into how to get there.

I think it is hinted that the Armenians gave him up. Which is how the Mexican's found him.

I thought it was dumb Frank didn't just grab the money out of car, and walk down street and get in a house or something...then again people panic.

Finally Vaughn I think didn't give him the jacket because the 3.5 million in diamonds were in the suit. He didn't want to go away with nothing, and was always a fighter, maybe thought it would earn him respect. meh...

I have a eye for detail and i watch in silence, no cell phone, no wife or kids distracting. However, that's not how much people want to watch TV. Read Game of thrones, same stuff a lot of plot lines and characters hard to follow, it's there if you pay attention. Again 1st season I thought was better just for listening to Mathew McCougnehy get in his meta-physical talks.
 
So, in the end--- none of it mattered (at least what we thought we were supposed to care about).....the rail corridor, the sex parties, the Russians/Armenians/Mexicans, the drugs, the shootouts, the corrupt politicians, the weird hippy retreats and stranger plastic surgeons..... it was just a revenge killing...

kinda sucks if you think about it......
 
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Concerning Velcoro & jumping out like he did, once he was out of bullets for his handgun, it was unlikely he'd be able to shoot himself out of there. I think he jumped out to force them to kill him, instead of taking him alive and possibly give out the info to endanger the women & those who helped them. Besides torture, there would've been a lot of other leverage available to them to make him give it up.

Going back to Episode 3, with Velcoro's dad and the Conway Twitty impersonator, I'm like WTF does this have to do with anything? Now we know. Fred Ward called it.
 
I think the 4 main characters were doomed from the start...or at least I think that's what Pizzolato was going for. Problem is, that doesn't make for compelling TV. I watched and wasn't irritated that I did. No, it wasn't up to last year's standard, but I'd rather watch this than stupid reality shows or musical popularity contests.
 
Every main character was morally bankrupt so it was hard to root for any of them. That being said, I thought Frank's death march scene was absolutely incredible!
 
The first year, they hired two big name actors who were also good actors. The second year, they picked only one of those two things and picked the wrong one. They need better actors. Vaughan was passable at best, and only once it got going. Farrell is good, but you can often hear him struggling not to have an Irish accent. They did much better with McAdams, who was terrific. Kitsch was fine, but frankly forgettable.

They also have to have something in the story you care about. The first season had a crazy murderer. The second season, you weren't sure what you were looking for: the guy who stole Frank's money, the guy who killed the city employee you never cared about. The purpose of everything wasn't compelling enough. And so watching a bunch of broken people continue to break can get monotonous.

The season started weak, got much better in episodes 5-7, then concluded weakly.

My take: they do better next season or the show goes away.
 
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