OT: UNC Scandal... A Knockout Blow?

[MADHAT1]

RU Cheese said: ↑
This is crazy. You can make an argument that, from an NCAA perspective, this is far worse than Penn State.

Yes it is, and I don't go easy on The Cult.

While these cornpone cronies might not be a cult, they are more like a corrupt organized crime syndicate.

Penn St proved if you fight the NCAA hard enough and have backing from the media saying it's not part of the NCAA to investigate that type of issue and have independent parties sue the NCAA , the NCAA leadership will look for a graceful exit and find a way to say NC fixed the problem and now doesn't deserve to be punished anymore.

It took PSU till after it was sanctioned to get the NCAA to back off, but now other schools with the backing needed can make sure the NCAA doesn't come down on them so hard.
Tar Heel basketball has the type of backing to make the NCAA think twice before going after them. Don't expect the NCAA to come down hard, but agree to the punishment NC gives itself.

 

[RUinPinehurst]

Why would you think it's OK to copy-and-paste the entirety of an article just so long as you post a link to it? You're denying the publisher -- who pays the journalist -- the advertising or subscriber revenue they need in order to stay in business.

Again, not the entirety of the article. I think the McClatchy Company will survive this. I also think sharing their exemplary coverage with interested parties is not a disservice but rather is beneficial as it might actually result in those parties visiting the N&O site.

I have been sharing these UNC scandal articles for five years now in this forum, via this "method." Most posters seem to find value in them.

But tell you what: if the chief mod here really thinks I need to refrain from this type sharing, I'd respectfully comply, of course.

Until then, read them and participate in the discussion, or don't.

 

[scarletschuyler]

When will the athletic curriculum at Trump Univ. be looked into?

 

[RUinPinehurst]

When will the athletic curriculum at Trump Univ. be looked into?

Well, that's one way to kill the thread. ;)

 

[RUinPinehurst]

I don't agree with Fanucci often, but he's right here. He quoted what the "chief mod" wrote about this, and another moderator already edited your post hours ago.

The problem isn't your choice of article. It's how you shared it that can get John in trouble.

FYI - I personally prefer the way you did it, so I don't have to click on the link.

Hadn't seen that my OP was "edited" until you pointed it out. Thanks for that. To you, the mods, to all of ScarletNation, 1000 apologies for my offense. Moving forward, I will surely comply. And "Go Heels!"

 

[koleszar]

Hadn't seen that my OP was "edited" until you pointed it out. Thanks for that. To you, the mods, to all of ScarletNation, 1000 apologies for my offense. Moving forward, I will surely comply. And "Go Heels!"

Fight the power.:boxing: Hey, Hey , Ho, Ho the Mods have got to go. Hey, Hey, Ho, Ho. I stand in solidarity with ya brother, you keep posting and I'll keep clicking. Let's take this mother F'er over. Hey, Hey, Ho, Ho the Mods have got to go.:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:.

 

[FanuSanu52]

I don't agree with Fanucci often, but he's right here. He quoted what the "chief mod" wrote about this, and another moderator already edited your post hours ago.

The problem isn't your choice of article. It's how you shared it that can get John in trouble.

FYI - I personally prefer the way you did it, so I don't have to click on the link.

So you prefer being wrong most of the time:sunglasses:

I kinda like Fanucci .. if another poster pops up with that name, keep it between us.

 

[topdecktiger]

Why do you say that? I have much more confidence in the B1G leadership than I do the NCAA leadership. Of course as I type that I realize I have much more confidence in a group of 1st graders leadership ability than I do the "leaders" of the NCAA.

Because the P5 already run the NCAA. The NCAA is not some outside organization. The NCAA is controlled by the schools. The schools are the NCAA. For example, when the NCAA changed the rules about the CCG, who was making the decision? It was the conferences themselves. The schools/conferences write all the rules. If you have the P5 break away and from a new organization, it will be run by the schools/conferences themselves.......just like the NCAA. The only difference would be, it would only include the P5, and not the AAC, MAC, etc.

 

[RUSK97]

Because the P5 already run the NCAA. The NCAA is not some outside organization. The NCAA is controlled by the schools. The schools are the NCAA. For example, when the NCAA changed the rules about the CCG, who was making the decision? It was the conferences themselves. The schools/conferences write all the rules. If you have the P5 break away and from a new organization, it will be run by the schools/conferences themselves.......just like the NCAA. The only difference would be, it would only include the P5, and not the AAC, MAC, etc.

Topdeck...how the heck are you guys okay with this? Yeah NCAA is made up of P5, but you guys specifically in the ACC should have bigger gripes than anyone. Your teams face these Tarheel teams multiple times each year and they're clearly not playing on a level field.

 

[topdecktiger]

Topdeck...how the heck are you guys okay with this? Yeah NCAA is made up of P5, but you guys specifically in the ACC should have bigger gripes than anyone. Your teams face these Tarheel teams multiple times each year and they're clearly not playing on a level field.

I didn't say I was ok with it. I said that forming a breakaway organization won't solve the problem. North Carolina would get away with it under the new organization just like they get away with it under the NCAA. The only way to solve the problem is to set up a different type of organization. Putting a new name on the same building doesn't solve anything.

 

[ruger6]

RU Cheese said: ↑
This is crazy. You can make an argument that, from an NCAA perspective, this is far worse than Penn State.

Penn St proved if you fight the NCAA hard enough and have backing from the media saying it's not part of the NCAA to investigate that type of issue and have independent parties sue the NCAA , the NCAA leadership will look for a graceful exit and find a way to say NC fixed the problem and now doesn't deserve to be punished anymore.

It took PSU till after it was sanctioned to get the NCAA to back off, but now other schools with the backing needed can make sure the NCAA doesn't come down on them so hard.
Tar Heel basketball has the type of backing to make the NCAA think twice before going after them. Don't expect the NCAA to come down hard, but agree to the punishment NC gives itself.

PSU hasn't taken a stand against the NCAA at all during this situation.

 

[MADHAT1]

PSU hasn't taken a stand against the NCAA at all during this situation.

Not upfront they didn't.
But Gene Marsh, a former NCAA official retained by Penn State to serve as a liaison to the NCAA had a role in helping Matt Haverstick a lawyer Pennsylvania State Senator Jake Corman had a hand in hiring fight the NCAA and testified against the NCAA in court. .
Also Penn St BOG members were speaking out as much as they could against the NCAA's sanctions and Freeh report, not as officials but private citizens .
That carried some weight while the state fought the NCAA on how the fine would be dispersed.
Penn St didn't do a thing officially and unofficially they didn't stop those fighting on their behalf.
So you're right they didn't take a stand, they only had to sit back and watch BOG members use their clout ( unsanctioned by PSU) and the State ( alumni might have contact there representatives you think?) fight the NCAA tooth and nail in an effort to make the NCAA leadership back off.
In the end the NCAA found a way to back off and claim they didn't.

 

[sherrane]

Oh boy -- Western Carolina Technical University is going to get HAMMERED by the NCAA. Not looking good for them, but this should teach UNC.

#NCAAisRunByQuestionablePeople

WCTU is safe because they have already removed championship games from the state to punish UNC.

 

[srru86]

They were pretty quick to jump on the Rice situation, but this nothing.

No video = not news
Also their boss is a Tarheel.

 

[ruready4somefootball]

It's not even a topic on their boards. They are so used to getting away with cheating, that there is no concern. How are schools like Rutgers EVER going to be able to compete? Basketball, with smaller numbers,and even more cash to give out, forget it, we'll always be miles behind schools like them.

 

[Mr Magoo]

The thing that continually surprises me is that even though UNC has been caught pretty much red-handed, there is no one in a position of power willing to say 'We funked up and should be punished'. I think being proactive would make this much better than what they are doing.

I disagree with this. To me, UNC, along with Notre Dame, Duke, and some others, are "untouchables". They can do whatever they want and get away it. No point in admitting guilt.

 

[RUinPinehurst]

Read Tom Wolfe's "I am Charlotte Simmons" for a "fictional" glimpse into a BB-centric culture at what appears to be a "fictional" hybrid of UNC/Duke. Of course, Wolfe made all that stuff up, as he's infamous for his lack of research in prepping for his novels. Wink wink.

 

[RU-ROCS]

Look I've watched the ACC for years.

#1 The NCAA makes its money off bball. It doesn't really make money of football because it's FBS.

#2 UNC makes the NCAA a ton of money, it's not in its best interest to punish UNC. Now SMU cheats ,that's a problem and they will get slammed with sanctions.

#3 UNC can have Soprano like no show, no work classes and still get away with it.

I hate it more than anyone, but even with smoking guns everywhere, PSU and Baylor have shown us ethically, UConn paying players , and UNC academically that there is no floor to how low you can go and still get away with it.

So my suggestion to RU is cheat away.

Sadly, BigTerp speaks the truth!