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OT: Yankees Playoffs thread

Overrated compared to who? The five guys in mlb history with more hits?
Holy shite!!!! Never realized he had that many hits. He should be in the HOF for that alone. But dude may be talking about the media and everyone else putting Jeets as one of the greatest players ever may be a bit overrated because he was a Yankee. Wouldn't get the ink he got if he did this in Anaheim or elsewhere.
 
Hope they never go to a technology solution and with the lead, that wide strike zone was a welcome factor for us Yankees fans. That said, it does seem like the number of guys throwing in the upper mid nineties has risen exponentially in recent years. CC was the only guy who pitched last night that wasn't hitting 96 or higher. There were 31 K's in that game. Is this baseball? Watch inning after inning as people get mowed down, an umpire calling anything close to a corner, a strike....just waiting, hoping to somehow scratch out a run or that a hitter happens to take advantage of the very few mistakes the pitchers are making and hits one out?

At some point you have to give something back to the hitter to get that balance back. Pitchers are now surpassing the boundaries of what the human eye can pick up on and hit from a risen platform, 60 feet, six inches away. Smaller strike zone is one way....make it so the margin of error for a pitcher leaving the ball over the plate is much smaller. Lowering or moving back the mound is another...but I hate that idea..
There were still 7 runs scored last night. Plenty of excitement and so far this postseason offense has rained supreme in most games.
 
I understand it can be frustrating, but the individual strike zone of every umpire is part of the artistry and fabric of the game.
So much so that your pregame meeting and how your going to pitch guys and set up your defense is dependent upon who the umpire is.
The catchers, pitchers and hitters are fully aware of the home plate umps tendencies, the Yankees will watch tape of the umpire, calling pitches for whomever is pitching that night.
In my day, if you didn't know Steve Carlton was going to get three inches off the outside corner with his back up slider to a right handed hitter with Doug Harvey umpiring, you had no chance, you had to know.
It's all a game, Judge's problems have nothing to do with the umpire Chop.
You can't hit in big leagues for an average, if your constantly hitting with two strikes on you, I don't care how good you are.
If you made the strike zone electronic, alot of the gamesmanship would be removed

That's all fair from a gamesmanship perspective (gamesmanship being defined in this case as how to best exploit bad umps), but it doesn't make it any more watchable, from my perspective. I get the height variances in strike calls because that's more of a judgement call... but the "ball didn't cross the plate, I'm going to call it a strike anyway" calls are like a football ref saying "player didn't step on the line, but I'm calling him out of bounds anyway".

It's basically saying "bad officiating is a part of the game" - which is true, but bad officiating is also one of those things that makes sports tough to watch.
 
Yes, but even at the amateur level, the good players figure it out as the game goes along

There was an article on this a while back in the New York Times where they did a broad analysis of umps' calling of balls and strikes. Some interesting stuff.
They mentioned that veteran pitchers got more calls than more inexperienced pitchers, same with veteran hitters. They also charted a different strike zone when the batter had a 3-1 count or a 1-2 count than other times. Certain pitchers were getting more calls than others. And surprisingly, black pitchers were less likely to get a call than white ones.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but personally I can't wait until they replace human ball-and-strike calling with a machine. And just like replay challenges, I think it's inevitable. Thankfully.
A strike should be a strike. A ball either goes over the plate or it doesn't.
 
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The last out of the game last night was a strike out that Sanchez dropped. On the dropped 3rd strike he didn't tag the batter or throw to first. The batter could have ran to first when Sanchez was on this way to celebrate with the pitcher. Surprised the batter didn't run.
 
The double play induced by Robertson along with the absolutely amazing double play from Didi to Greg Bird was the pivotal point of the game. That inning could have gone south very quick, especially with Lindor.
 
Holy shite!!!! Never realized he had that many hits. He should be in the HOF for that alone. But dude may be talking about the media and everyone else putting Jeets as one of the greatest players ever may be a bit overrated because he was a Yankee. Wouldn't get the ink he got if he did this in Anaheim or elsewhere.
Likely Kyk was too young to remember Jeter at the beginning. By the time he was Didi's age, he had already finished in the top ten of the MVP voting, four times and won a rookie of the year award. Shortstops don't age well and he lost a lot of his range so yeah, I'd take a 27 year old Didi over a 38 year old Jeter but Didi won't come anywhere close to accomplishing what Jeter did over the span of his career.

Is Jeter one of the greatest, all time? Depends on the size of the list. Top ten? No. Top 25? No. Top 50? Yes.
 
FACT: since LeBron James made a scene during last year's playoffs, in his luxury box, the Indians have become The first team in baseball history to lose back to back series in the playoffs after holding a 2-0 lead, his Cleveland Cavaliers got pummelled in the NBA Finals .4-1, and The Browns have gone 1-15.
 
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Bird did not run on the 3-2 pitch with two outs. Enormous mistake. Never seen that in 35 years of watching baseball.
Should be fined 10 thousand dollars for not getting a 3 and 2 two out jump.
Did Frazier even attempt to get the runners over?
1st and 2nd no outs
 
The Yankees are very discouraging. An all or nothing team. Not being able to put the ball in play 3 out of 4 at bats is pathetic. 13 k's suck. Shorten your swing and sacrifice for the team and pit6the F'ing ball in play
KO'S ARE WASTED OPPORTUNITIES FOR SICCESS
 
Sometimes the pitching is just too good. That's how it's been for the last 2 games. The Astros aren't hitting any better. Game 3 will be the Yankees break out, IMO.
 
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Gerardi can't handle the pressure, bottom line. Their three best relief pitchers are chapman, Robertson and kahnle. Up 8-0 he pitches one of them and has Chapman warming up. Not one of those guys should have thrown a warm pitch until it's 8-3. He had two of the three throwing. Unreal.
 
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Not to sound like a homer, but, our boy looked pretty darn good rounding the bases
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Astros 2-1 in ALCS and game 4 has Lance McCullers, Jr. vs. Sonny Gray. McCullers was great vs. NYY in May but has really gone down hill since then. Huge game for Yanks chances. Need to tie series at 2-2 with Tanaka vs. Keuchel at Yankee Stadium on Wednesday.

In addition to a great game thrown by Sabathia, he also did the Yankees bullpen a huge favor. They may be needed early if Gray doesn't have his act together on Tuesday. If you learn anything from CC today, it's throw strikes. Take your chances Sonny and throw strikes. Both Yankee Stadium games are 5pm.
 
Holy shite!!!! Never realized he had that many hits. He should be in the HOF for that alone. But dude may be talking about the media and everyone else putting Jeets as one of the greatest players ever may be a bit overrated because he was a Yankee. Wouldn't get the ink he got if he did this in Anaheim or elsewhere.

Correct. Only in LA would ge have received equal press. Def not in KC, Tampa, or even Chicago. Now think about "why" he would receive more press in New York and Los Angeles than any other city in the nation.

This is a silly conversation. Jeter deserved every accolade he received, without question, and as I've said before will be a first ballot Hall of Famer.
 
Gerardi can't handle the pressure, bottom line. Their three best relief pitchers are chapman, Robertson and kahnle. Up 8-0 he pitches one of them and has Chapman warming up. Not one of those guys should have thrown a warm pitch until it's 8-3. He had two of the three throwing. Unreal.

lol Chapman didn't even break a sweat, he was tossing so lightly in the pen, were you not watching? This is a guy who is typically sweating buckets by the time he takes one step onto the field (regardless of temperature).

Kahnle is a freaking moose; how many pitches did he throw last night? 15?? Probably good to go today.
 
Another easy Yankee win coming up today.

I was flagged last night at a bar for laughing at a guy in a Mets hat.
I didn't realize he was one of the managers.

Why would he embarrass himself wearing that hat I don't know.
 
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I think its safe to say that Cashman will be shopping Betances around hard this offseason, even though I think his stock has taken a beating this postseason.
 
lol Chapman didn't even break a sweat, he was tossing so lightly in the pen, were you not watching? This is a guy who is typically sweating buckets by the time he takes one step onto the field (regardless of temperature).

Kahnle is a freaking moose; how many pitches did he throw last night? 15?? Probably good to go today.
Everyone except Warren is available from the pen today. Sad to see what happened to Betances, but such is baseball. Probably won't be on the team next year.
 
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I think its safe to say that Cashman will be shopping Betances around hard this offseason, even though I think his stock has taken a beating this postseason.

Betances certainly has pitched his way off the roster if the Yankees make the World Series. And with their bullpen, it's worth seeing if they can trade him for something of real value to the team going forward -- not just a throw-in you never hear from again. If there are no takers, you keep him, start all over in spring training. I think part of the trouble with him was the insistence that he keep pitching a pressure 8th inning when he really should have been given earlier innings to build up his confidence and not jeopardize any game late.

Hey, relief guys aren't guaranteed to have decades long brilliant careers. Most have a "great" or effective period of perhaps 2-3 seasons and then fade away. Remember Joba Chamberlain?
 
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I think Betances' problems started when he tried to adjust to the fact that base runners were taking liberties when he was on the mound.
I seriously don't know what they can do with him. He's worthless for the balance of the postseason. And I don't see how they can trade him when his value has hit an all-time low. I guess they have to wait until Spring training and try to work out his problems.
What is his contract status ?
 
I believe betances is under control for 2 more seasons, then becomes a free agent.

Part of me is thinking all the innings from the past several seasons might be slowly taking a toll on him.
 
I think Betances' problems started when he tried to adjust to the fact that base runners were taking liberties when he was on the mound.
I seriously don't know what they can do with him. He's worthless for the balance of the postseason. And I don't see how they can trade him when his value has hit an all-time low. I guess they have to wait until Spring training and try to work out his problems.
What is his contract status ?
Exactly, he got all out of whack and it's hard to correct during the season (and especially in the playoffs). They need to have him forget about base runners and go back to his natural pitching motion.
 
Exactly, he got all out of whack and it's hard to correct during the season (and especially in the playoffs). They need to have him forget about base runners and go back to his natural pitching motion.

I thought forgetting about base runners is what started this whole thing.
 
I thought forgetting about base runners is what started this whole thing.
He was fine for years not worrying about them and then all of a sudden it's becomes an issue. Trying to change someone's delivery mid-season is tough.
 
Tonight is a huge game for the Yankees . Win and they are in pretty good shape. Lose tonight and they have to beat two stud pitchers to force a game 7.
 
I think Betances' problems started when he tried to adjust to the fact that base runners were taking liberties when he was on the mound.
I seriously don't know what they can do with him. He's worthless for the balance of the postseason. And I don't see how they can trade him when his value has hit an all-time low. I guess they have to wait until Spring training and try to work out his problems.
What is his contract status ?
He's a year to year arbitration player now. Doesn't make sense to try to move him as his value will be nil. Better off keeping him, see if you can build his value back up before next years trade deadline.
 
Yankees just announced Austin Romine will catch Sonny Gray in Game 4 today. Gary Sanchez will DH.
 
Yankees just announced Austin Romine will catch Sonny Gray in Game 4 today. Gary Sanchez will DH.

Seems like a good move on paper.

Sonny Gray with Sanchez catching: 8 starts, 4.63 ERA, 10 HR.

Sonny Gray with Romine catching: 3 starts, 1.45 ERA, 1 HR.

Will also give a boost to DH spot. Love the move.
 
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