Palmquist
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Russ has been saying this all week. I think people thought he was joking.
@NewJerseyHawk is Oscar the transfer you have been waiting for to fill Spencer and Paul’s departure?
I know you were super high on Oscar when Mag went down last year.
I know you were super high on Oscar when Mag went down last year.
Colonial to Coastal change rubbed him the wrong way
So true. I doubt his family is “colonial” but if he is from an inland area, “Coastal” may be triggering.
Palm was decent when called upon last year. With cam and Paul transferring I think he would get playing time depending on the matchup.
Palmquist is more readily exposed than polaroid film. He cannot not stop anyone on D. Can't give him so many minutes that other teams take notice. He's best under the radar. I'm fine with him coming back but in basically the same role as he has been playing.
We have already backfilled Spencer and Mulcahy....it's called Gavin Griffiths and the existing guards and incoming guards via the portal.
I don't have any issue with Palmquist returning, if any year was likely to be the best of his career, it would be his 5th year.
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Griffiths is not backfilling Spencer or Mulcahy lol.
He’s a true freshman that was committed prior to their transfers and would have earned a good amount of minutes even if they didn’t transfer.
Break out the zone D. Griffiths would be a good close out defender based on his length and decent athleticism. Oskar was born to play zone D.🤷
I don't mind it. He knows his role, and we could use the depth
Serviceable 4 to backup Hyatt off the bench until Mag is ready to go. Wouldn’t be upset about it.
Palmquist was ahead of Hyatt on the depth chart when the season ended.
Was the reported to have a 60k or so NIL deal?
Is that true?
Did it fall through?
Is that true?
Did it fall through?
From Elon ?
I catch some of their games down at our SC place in the winter .
Hard to fathom how a school that has 1500 in the gym can give a new guy 5k a month.
Well, some people are believing that Mulcahy is getting $400,000 as part of his transfer to Washington.
$400,000 lol 😂 for PM.
Reporting a guy entered the transfer portal after her enters it is now considered breaking news I guess
Palmquist is a locker room/culture guy. He can also be a decent spot up shooter if we had some guards who could penetrate which we haven't had the last few years.
working backwards from the last game of last season
Hofstra = Hyatt 17 minutes, Palmquist 2 minutes
Purdue = Hyatt 6 minutes, Palmquist 13 minutes
Michigan = Hyatt 9 minutes, Palmquist 19 minutes
Northwestern = Hyatt 21 minutes (start), Palmquist 10 minutes
Minnesota = Hyatt 31 minutes (start), Palmquist 11 minutes
Penn State = Hyatt 17 minutes (start), Palmquist 19 minutes
Michigan = Hyatt 28 minutes (start), Palmquist 25 minutes (start)
Wisconsin = Hyatt 34 minutes (start), Palmquist 18 minutes (start)
Palmquist averaged 15 minutes/game and made 2 starts over the last 8 games
Hyatt averaged 20 minutes/game over that same stretch with 5 starts
Provided he's ok as the 12-13th guy and didn't burn any bridges - why wouldn't you bring him back?
Funny stat - Oskar was 12/33 from 3. 36.4%
That's one fewer 3 than Caleb (13/64) and one fewer than Simpson (13/60) over the entire season
Oskar (11/25) made more 3's than Caleb (9/48) or Derek (4/24) in B1G play
Hofstra = Hyatt 17 minutes, Palmquist 2 minutes
Purdue = Hyatt 6 minutes, Palmquist 13 minutes
Michigan = Hyatt 9 minutes, Palmquist 19 minutes
Northwestern = Hyatt 21 minutes (start), Palmquist 10 minutes
Minnesota = Hyatt 31 minutes (start), Palmquist 11 minutes
Penn State = Hyatt 17 minutes (start), Palmquist 19 minutes
Michigan = Hyatt 28 minutes (start), Palmquist 25 minutes (start)
Wisconsin = Hyatt 34 minutes (start), Palmquist 18 minutes (start)
Palmquist averaged 15 minutes/game and made 2 starts over the last 8 games
Hyatt averaged 20 minutes/game over that same stretch with 5 starts
Provided he's ok as the 12-13th guy and didn't burn any bridges - why wouldn't you bring him back?
Funny stat - Oskar was 12/33 from 3. 36.4%
That's one fewer 3 than Caleb (13/64) and one fewer than Simpson (13/60) over the entire season
Oskar (11/25) made more 3's than Caleb (9/48) or Derek (4/24) in B1G play
No, you and a handful of others don't pay attention......Gavin Griffiths was recruited to play SG and was slotted to start the day he was originally recruited to RU. He is a consensus Top 25 to 60 player depending on which rating service you follow.
Cam Spencer was never expected to be starting over Gavin Griffiths under any circumstances. And Cam Spencer is not active or promotable for NIL, he has no active social media platforms that anyone is aware of. So this notion that NIL was the primary issue is "false"....if anyone wants to believe Gavin Griffiths was recruited here to come off the bench behind an inferior player, is not paying attention.
Once Spencer ultimately realized that Gavin was going to start, he likely deciIded to portal, which is within his right to do so. If he starts at UConn, so be it....if Gavin was committed to UConn and Spencer was on Uconn, Gavin would be starting over Spencer there too. Gavin is simply a better overall player, in every aspect.
Only at RU, do RU fans want better recruiting, want better talent and somehow expect existing players who simply aren't as good, to continue to play starters minutes.
Palmquist can come back and provide some minutes as an extra forward, while Mag continues to rehab. I don't see any downside to this. Mag may not be ready by November, Chol is still an unknown up front....Only Hyatt is a proven commodity at this stage in the game in late July.
I also think if a 5* kid PF like Asa Newell was open to reclassifying from 2024 to 2023, his recruitment would be much more aggressive by a lot of schools who want an upgrade, short and long term.
The only thing that Palmquist does is potentially eliminate the walk-on scholarship option that Pike likes to have. That is assuming there are no other departures (never a safe assumption in this current recruiting environment) AND, that RU has the ability to take both Austin Williams and Jeremiah Williams.
If Austin Williams commits soon and if Jeremiah Williams wants to jump on board and doesn't secure a waiver for 2023-24, he still takes up am available ship. Yes he could return in 2024-25, but we would be at the 13 ship limit.
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There's no way Griffiths was taking Spencer's starting spot are you serious?
I like the add of Oscar back. He’s a body and grew confident with the three at the end of the year. Rather have him back than Mulcahy as he fills a need. Plus he doesn’t throw a tantrum every other play like a 5 month old infant and mentally take himself out of games.
Also, serviceable 4 to give us some depth when Mag has to shift to the 3.
Valuable lesson for the kids here. Don’t do drugs.
Could quibble with hypothetical Paul on the bench, not Cam but otherwise, spot on.
You can argue with it if you like. I am watching basketball skills and basketball players. Griffiths not starting is coaching malpractice 101 and illogical in every way.
What would your explanation be, to land a Top 25-50 recruit, that can go pretty much anywhere else in CBB, that a solid but limited player, who didn't deliver consistently last year and has no more upside, is starting over him??
Spencer is not better than Gavin Griffiths.....it's not even worth a discussion.
In terms of what NIL value a player has, it is "roster specific or year to year".
Fans have somehow not understood "supply and demand"....that also means, if you have depth or alternative options that have upside or a similar skill set, those same players on the same roster, don't have the same value.
The roster has been reconstructed based on "supply and demand". That means if you don't have an alternative option on your roster, that has strengths that another player does, the player who excels or is "1 of 1", becomes more valuable.
Cliff is clearly the most valuable player, there isn't an alternative player on offense, rebounding defense on the roster.
In terms of defense, rebounding, after Cliff, comes Mawot Mag. There's no other player, who plays defense against multiple players for the upcoming 2023-24 season. It is why he secured a NIL and roster position AHEAD of Cam Spencer.
Gavin Griffiths overlaps and has a similar skillset that Spencer brings to the table. One player in Spencer, can only play 1 position at 28 to 30 minutes a game and Gavin is 6'7 and can play SG or the 3rd Guard/Wing position. Spencer cannot.
We are upgrading across the guard position, with multiple players who can dribble, pass, create their own offense AND, if necessary, push the ball and tempo. Mulcahy and Spencer are best suited playing a slower tempo game.
If Spencer was going to eventually lose his starting position at some point in 2023-24, his NIL value to RU is diminished based on what this RU roster has in place.
I think RU fans are trapped into looking at how limited the scoring options were last year and scared to death that the best shooter is being replaced. He is being replaced by as good or better shooter, with quicker release, bigger, taller and can play another position.
Spencer was not going to bolt Griffiths to the bench. The staff already showed an extended amount of rope to Mulcahy as the starter last year, when he struggled in February and it was too late when they went to Simpson. It cost RU a NCAA bid.
The staff is not making the same mistake again, going with short term results, instead of long term solutions. It is tough for fans to digest this fact, but the best solution for the RU program is to develop Simpson, Griffiths for the future, not burn 30 minutes a game on Spencer.
In terms of Palmquist, it comes down to what options are there for the staff, if Mag isn't available or ready to play extended minutes AND what's your option, if Hyatt is in foul trouble or not playing well.
A) Unknown Antonio Chol, who is a redshirt freshman
B) 5th year player, who's familiar with the RU culture and system, in Oskar Palmquist??
If you need 12 to 15 minutes off the bench, it's a safer 1 year situation with Oskar vs Chol. Neither is a starter, Hyatt is clearly the starter as of today and if Oskar returns, he provides insurance for Mag not being ready by early October and practices.
A) Unknown Antonio Chol, who is a redshirt freshman
B) 5th year player, who's familiar with the RU culture and system, in Oskar Palmquist??
If you need 12 to 15 minutes off the bench, it's a safer 1 year situation with Oskar vs Chol. Neither is a starter, Hyatt is clearly the starter as of today and if Oskar returns, he provides insurance for Mag not being ready by early October and practices.
I don’t know where people get these numbers for players. Elon don’t have 60k folks. I mean they do, but not for Oskar. I work with colleges, collectives and conferences right now and you ask them for 10k for something and you think you added 3 zeros the way they look at you funny.
Pike started every press conference after the season noting how excited he was to have cam Spencer back. I don’t see why him and Griffiths couldn’t co-exist. Didn’t hawk ramble all last season that Spencer was the best transfer option because he had 2 years left instead of 1? Now there’s no room for him?
I always figured Griffiths was more of a 3 than a 2 and thought we would start Fernandes, Spencer, Griffiths, Mag, and Cliff. Three awesome shooters, lockdown D from Mag plus Cliff as one of the top big men in the league. First off the bench, Simpson in backcourt followed by Davis, and Hyatt/Mulcahy/Wolf in front court.
The idea that Spencer only decided to transfer after the portal was closed to non-graduate transfers because that's when he realized GG would take his spot in the lineup seems like a big reach. He knew GG was coming and I assume the staff talked to (potential) returning guys on their likely role for the coming year.
Also funny to see Hawk call Mag the 2nd most important guy on the roster now when I thought you were downplaying his value last season when he was injured.
The idea that Spencer only decided to transfer after the portal was closed to non-graduate transfers because that's when he realized GG would take his spot in the lineup seems like a big reach. He knew GG was coming and I assume the staff talked to (potential) returning guys on their likely role for the coming year.
Also funny to see Hawk call Mag the 2nd most important guy on the roster now when I thought you were downplaying his value last season when he was injured.
I won't speak for NJ Hawk but my uninformed reading of the situation was:
After the transfer in of Fernandes, it was a love triangle for HC Pike. 3 players for 2 starting spots (Fernandes, Mag (when healthy) Clif locked in)
Spencer: returning starting wing
Mulcahy: returning starting PG who would have a new role as off ball wing
Griffiths: incoming highly ranked wing recruit
Who is HC Pike going to start and give a majority of minutes?
I think most would agree Spencer and Griffiths make the most sense to start.
I could easily see HC Pike favoring Mulcahy though for his history with the program.
Shoehorning Mulcahy into a new role could dilute the minutes for all 3.
Leading to Spencer opting out and transferring.
Mulcahy transfered because then its him vs Simpson or transfer for minutes. Realized Griffiths is going to get playing time immediately - especially at a role GG is better suited for than Mulcahy.
Mulcahy realized he isn't a guaranteed 30min again in a new off ball role.
Leading to Mulcahy to opt out and transfer.
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