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The last 2 real games of the year Oskar played and Hyatt didn’t. With the season on the line Pike chose Oskar
Sweet cherry picking
Pike didn’t want to beat Hofstra?
You’re arguing with yourself again and creating straw men. Spencer at the 2 would’ve started ALONGSIDE Griffiths at the 3.
This idea that Pike chose Griffiths over Spencer to play the 2 is just a fantasy in your own mind.
Yup. I’ll go with that.
Bottom line B1G tournament Oskar is starting. That is terrible if you are Aundre Hyatt
Yup nobody surprised me more coming back than Hyatt. And oddly they didn’t go get anyone better for that spot
Confidence in Mag being 100% or maybe Chol? Hopefully not misplaced
Maybe - but in reality I think it’s more about Hyatt either not knowing how or not wanting to be a complimentary player. For better or worse, it seems like when Hyatt is on the floor he’s a very high usage player. When his shots were falling Hyatt played. When Hyatt’s shots weren’t falling, he sat because it hurts us to have a high usage player out there firing away who also doesn’t contribute on D.
So what you’re saying is:
- Pikiell was not going to ever start Gavin Griffiths and Cam Spencer at once
- Pikiell was going to start Gavin Griffiths over Cam Spencer in 2024
- Gavin Griffiths was taking Cam Spencer’s minutes in 2024
- Pikiell was okay with Cam Spencer transferring to the reining national champion
- Spencer, who is transferring to the reigning national champion is transferring because his starting spot and role was threatened by a kid who has never stepped foot on a college basketball court
- Spencer had little NIL value because he doesn’t have a social media account, and his NIL value isn’t correlated to his play on the court
Hawk - you’re either wearing a crazy tinfoil hat or smoking some serious drugs hahaha
Hyatt will be a starter in the beginning of the season. Has length and range. Hopefully his defense improves, and is likely a better defender than GG right now anyway. Question is, between GG, Fernandez and Simpson, which 2 will start. I highly doubt GG starts on Day 1 but may start ahead of either Mag or Hyatt by year-end, depending on performance.
Woolf and Ogbole back up Cliff, Davis backs up either guard. Oskar gets 5 min a game if he comes back (10 man rotation) and Chol mostly is a spectator. Too raw and too far down the PT ladder.
Woolf and Ogbole back up Cliff, Davis backs up either guard. Oskar gets 5 min a game if he comes back (10 man rotation) and Chol mostly is a spectator. Too raw and too far down the PT ladder.
If Hyatt’s defense is better than GG’s to start, we are in big trouble. We need GG to come in as an average defender because Hyatt’s defense is below average and Noah also isn’t known for his D.
For all of you without premium; everything Hawk wrote here was basically called out by RU72 on a Round Table post earlier.
It’s delusional for anyone to believe that Cam was not in the plans this year. The whole GG was recruited as a SG is a false flag. They were going to be on the floor together with either Fernandes or Simpson as the 3 pt shooters to dish to on their drives into the paint.
He has literally argued that RU doesn’t need more than one shooter from behind the arc. Yet all these teams that win championships every year roll out multiple long range shooters in their lineups. Really makes one question his credentials.
It’s delusional for anyone to believe that Cam was not in the plans this year. The whole GG was recruited as a SG is a false flag. They were going to be on the floor together with either Fernandes or Simpson as the 3 pt shooters to dish to on their drives into the paint.
He has literally argued that RU doesn’t need more than one shooter from behind the arc. Yet all these teams that win championships every year roll out multiple long range shooters in their lineups. Really makes one question his credentials.
Hyatt doesn’t add that much comparatively on defense. His defense is quite poor overall. The difference is that Oskar doesn’t try force bad shots from either the perimeter or in iso. That is why he played over Hyatt in those games. No other reason.
The overall stats do not do justice to just how high Hyatt’s usage numbers were. This is a guy who plays 4 (doesn’t handle the rock) whose scoring “strength“ is mostly limited to non-contested catch and shoot shots (from deep wing and mid range) and he’s streaky at that. Hyatt should not be taking anywhere near the volume of contested shots he attempted last season (often early in the shot clock). People who bring up Caleb and Simpson’s poor efficiency are overlooking that despite being poor catch and shoot players, these guys are guards and both score the ball in iso / when contested at a significantly higher rate than Hyatt (percentage wise - despite being better than them from 3 and getting a lot of open attempts from 3, Hyatt didn’t put the ball through the net at a higher percentage than either of them overall - all shots combined). That’s because he is an awful choice to “take a game into his hands”. Mainly because he can’t dribble. When he tries to score in iso he ended up hurting us more than if we simply ran the shot clock down and let one of the guards try to make something happen. Late season - this was Pike’s strategy when we couldn’t find a wide open shooter or get the ball to Cliff. He trusted Palm more than Hyatt not to shoot the ball when he was guarded. Hyatt rarely gives up the ball in the halfcourt set without attempting a shot.
Another point of note with Palm - neither he nor Hyatt are good defenders but it wasn’t the 4 slot alone that hurt us late last season. Once Mag went down, sitting Cliff became a disaster because it meant we had either Hyatt or Palm playing alongside a weak defensive 5 (Dean or Wolf or Palm and Hyatt playing 4-5 together). When Cliff sat previously - we almost always had Caleb and Mag on the floor together and we usually pressed. Big difference. If our options improve at the back up 5 and we have better shooters in regular ball rotation a guy like Oskar (and Hyatt) could get more open looks and be less of liability on D down low.
If Hyatt forces contested shots to try to “get his” on a team with playmakers though he’s going to end up on the bench in favor of someone who doesn’t do that (even if it’s someone less skilled like Oskar). Same as last year.
If Hyatt forces contested shots to try to “get his” on a team with playmakers though he’s going to end up on the bench in favor of someone who doesn’t do that (even if it’s someone less skilled like Oskar). Same as last year.
Something isn’t right here. Cam transferred because he expects more minutes at UConn?
UConn are defending national champs while Rutgers was a first round NIT loser. And UConn is bringing in 3 guards out of high school, 5 star and two 4 stars.
Cam transferred so he could play his final NCAA season for a winner and follow his older brother toward the NBA. Cam’s older brother transferred from Loyola to Northwestern for his final college season and balled last season with G League’s Santa Cruz Warriors.
The last part will not happen. Cam is not an NBA player. He’s a very good catch and shoot college player who will have a nice career playing in a mid tier Europe league.
I agree. But let us view the situation from Cam’s perspective instead of looking at it as spectators.
Cam has a dream - a chance at the NBA. UConn increases the odds.
If Palm returns to RU, any chance he brings guard Rob Higgins Jr. with him?
Rob scored in double digits all four years at St. Francis.
Elon announced in a press release Palm and Ron were transferring there, but word on TKR is Elon is struggling to hold onto transfers.
Rob is a NJ native and his dad played QB at RU in the 90s.
Rob wouldn’t be RHJ 2.0 but could provide depth and spark at the 1 position.
Rob scored in double digits all four years at St. Francis.
Elon announced in a press release Palm and Ron were transferring there, but word on TKR is Elon is struggling to hold onto transfers.
Rob is a NJ native and his dad played QB at RU in the 90s.
Rob wouldn’t be RHJ 2.0 but could provide depth and spark at the 1 position.
I doubt that’s it. The first part is more likely. He thinks they have a better chance of going far in the tournament. He’s never been there. Wants a crack at it. And prob negotiated more money than what we had offered.
I think Cam knows he pretty much has no chance at the NBA - playing for UConn wouldn’t influence it. He didn’t even test the waters. He’s 6-4 on a college roster. That will clog in as 6-2. He’s not a ball handler at the next level. And he would not even be an average defender. There aren’t enough wide open looks in even the G-league for him to do much. He feasts on being able to take advantage of weak links on the court at the college level and doesn’t have the Wieskamp type measurables to get a shot based on sharp shooting alone (Wieskamp is an NBA measured 6-6 and rebounds)… He shot 21% last year in the NBA by the way.
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Don't listen to that.
GG is 99% starting from day 1.
I think people are forgetting Mag is unlikely to be ready.
Fernandes, Simpson, Mag, Hyatt, Clif is starting Day 1?
If Mag is healthy he's starting over Hyatt, not GG.
Not more minutes necessarily.
His role at Rutgers was changing.
Last year nobody was impacting his minutes. He had a full time job.
Next year that wasn't happening - particularly with Mulcahy/GG and even Simpson perhaps moving over to the off ball-wing role (Fernandes is likely a full time job at PG).
Was Cam going to get 30mpg again?
No. Not with splitting his role between multiple players.
I highly doubt HC Pike said "Don't worry about Simpson and Mulcahy. They are going to the bench and only playing 10mpg."
So less minutes on a borderline tournament team.
Or similar minutes (or maybe even less) on a potentially better team?
Makes sense to enter the portal.
Yeah Pike doesn’t like to play Hyatt and Mag together much. I agree.
But Gavin’s D at the college level is still a question mark TBD. Won’t take much to be better than Hyatt though.
Cam got paid and is gonna start for the defending champs and top ten team but would have had a reduced role at Rutgers? No shot.
Mulcahy and Simpson were playing 10mpg next year?
HC Pike is benching a senior captain?
Or was GG a top 20 recruit playing 10mpg?
Was the new PG transfer splitting time?
How did you see minutes breaking down then with Cam still getting 32mpg?
People are playing the star ranking game instead of looking at what’s proven production and coming to ridiculous conclusions. Gavin still has to go through the adjustment period in B1G play. Same as all the other freshman.
Some also can’t seem to wrap their heads around that in some situations Cam, Derek, Gavin & Noah would all be in the floor together with Cliff. Apparently players are pegged into certain roles and offer no lineup flexibility with the way these guys are talking. Fortunately Pike knows better.
Rank the influence on Cam’s decision making from strongest to weakest.
A) Fat Koko and other TKR posters
B) Pike
C) Dan Hurley
D) Cam’s older brother
Cam is following a dream. Most aspiring actors who move to LA don’t make it big in Hollywood. The chances are slim but they go for it anyway.
I agree with you. However, why did it take until a month after Cam left for Paul to figure this out or to act upon what he already knew?Intentionally or not, he stuck it to us.
This one simple:
Cam was the clear best SG on the team, penciled in to get 25+ minutes per game.
Same with Noah at PG.
Remaining minutes would have been taken by the starters or by Derek or Paul.
Paul also was going to get some minutes at forward.
In conclusion, Cam was going to get at least 25 minutes and Paul was penciled in to have a minutes cut, probably somewhere between 12 to 20 minutes per game, with at least half coming at the forward spot.
So Cam gets his minutes cut from 32mpg to around 25mpg and is now splitting his role with Simpson and Mulcahy.
That’s exactly what I said.
Pikiell always talks about how there are only so many minutes available. With Griffiths, Mulcahy and Spencer on the team, Oscar was not going to get too many minutes. But now he'll get something comparable to last season if not more. So definitely worth bringing back.
Although I love NJ Hawk, that seems like an overly rosy outlook to say Spencer left primarily because Griffiths was going to get his minutes. Spencer and Mulcahy were both going to get a ton of minutes if they stayed here.
Although I love NJ Hawk, that seems like an overly rosy outlook to say Spencer left primarily because Griffiths was going to get his minutes. Spencer and Mulcahy were both going to get a ton of minutes if they stayed here.
Didn't he too better on this last year? I thought I saw progress on Oskar's game. Could it be that people just labeled Oskar over his previous years here and did not give him proper credit for last season's progress? Of course, he is not Mag-level but I don't think he is still the no-D Oskar.
On NJ Hawk's take... I'll keep an open mind... he has earned that.
I said 25+. Personally I thought it would be around 30 but I put 25 as the low bar to leave room for variation.
It’s a stretch to say having your minutes go from 32 to even like 28 is having your minutes “cut” and now you’re “splitting your role”.
Cut and splitting of role would be more accurate descriptions if his minutes dropped to 22 or below. Which I suppose was possible but highly unlikely.
Opinions are not facts. The best TEAM D I saw with Cliff on the bench was against PSU with Hyatt, Caleb and Mag on the floor. Hyatt played very well in that scenario.
Best overall Team D was with Cliff, Caleb, Mag and Paul on the floor together. Resounding and shot blocking matters. Stopping the ball is also a big part of D but help D is critical. Pike coaches this part of the game very well.
Best overall Team D was with Cliff, Caleb, Mag and Paul on the floor together. Resounding and shot blocking matters. Stopping the ball is also a big part of D but help D is critical. Pike coaches this part of the game very well.
Playing at UConn will have zero impact on whether Cam will be a pro. He wanted money. All good. That’s his right but the NBA could care less where a guy plays. If Caleb played at UConn last year he’d be in the same exact position.
