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Pat Hobbs got an earful this afternoon

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It was nice meeting Pat before the wrestling match today. Even better, he heard what 2500+ screaming passionate Rutgers fans can do to turn our home facility into a nightmare for the opposing team. This is all being done with a team that has no dedicated practice facility but has somehow convinced many of the top N.J. athletes to stay at home.

He must have been imagining what 8000 screaming basketball fans would sound like in our building. Food for thought. $$$$
 
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Honest question: do wrestlers have handlers? College basketball is a billion dollar business and everyone involved including NJ has their hands out. Rutgers simply can't compete when it's not the preferred program at this school. It's no coincidence soccer team also does well here. No grey area to profit from

That's not an excuse for effort and the current team.

But elite high school players are bought and sold. Are wrestlers?
 
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the best thing we can hope for is that they tie any facility improvement into tapping up big time wrestling donors
 
Honest question: do wrestlers have handlers? College basketball is a billion dollar business and everyone involved including NJ has their hands out. Rutgers simply can't compete when it's not the preferred program at this school. It's no coincidence soccer team also does well here. No grey area to profit from

That's not an excuse for effort and the current team.

But elite high school players are bought and sold. Are wrestlers?
Recruiting for college wrestling is much different, more of family-oriented sport and the top guys are willing to band together and stay local to wrestle in front of family and friends.
 
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Think it will take more than 7 year guaranteed contract to get Danny to even consider talking about becoming RU's HC.
Danny's at Rhode Island , NOT Kentucky
It's my understanding Danny was offered the job before Eddie was hired and one of his demands was a 7 year contract.When it wasn't given, talks ended
 
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Think it will take more than 7 year guaranteed contract to get Danny to even consider talking about becoming RU's HC.

It's my understanding Danny was offered the job before Eddie was hired and one of his demands was a 7 year contract.When it wasn't given, talks ended

Never heard that one, but if true, he was worth the 7 years at the low salary he started at RI. We are back to Square 1.
 
Never heard that one, but if true, he was worth the 7 years at the low salary he started at RI. We are back to Square 1.
I beleive I read that somewhere , but can't find proof.
Do know Danny turned down the job before Eddie was hired.
RU offered him 5 years at $1 Mil a year
Found this:
Hurley didn't want to take his third job in three years after arriving in Kingston, R.I., last year from Wagner. Hurley and the Rams finished 8-21 (3-13 A-10) in his first season. But for Hurley to seriously consider the deal, which, according to the source came from Rutgers president Robert Barchi through a search firm led by former coach Eddie Fogler, it would have to be a deal of at least eight years due to the chaos at the school and the move to the Big Ten.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...-sign-extension-rhode-island-according-source
 
Question for the board : If you were Danny Hurley, wouldn't you have asked for more security than the standard 5 years, all things considered?
 
I think we can all agree the program is in better shape than the day Eddie took over. And yet people want Eddie fired now, in his third year, while saying it will take seven years to turn the program around.

The other intriguing thing is that people seem to think the Hurleys, who've never done a thing for Rutgers in decades of NJ basketball history, are just the thing to solve our problems.

It will be interesting to see how Hobbs deals with this, particularly since some regular posters have him on some sort of threatened countdown.

Silliness abounds.
 
I think we can all agree the program is in better shape than the day Eddie took over. And yet people want Eddie fired now, in his third year, while saying it will take seven years to turn the program around.

The other intriguing thing is that people seem to think the Hurleys, who've never done a thing for Rutgers in decades of NJ basketball history, are just the thing to solve our problems.

It will be interesting to see how Hobbs deals with this, particularly since some regular posters have him on some sort of threatened countdown.

Silliness abounds.

Please define better shape? We've lost 22 of 26 games. We've been blown out by Seton Hall in consecutive seasons. Mike Rice beat Seton Hall. Fans were excited when Rice was coach compared to the record low attendance numbers under Eddie Jordan

As for the Hurley's, Danny was an assistant at Rutgers. Greg Echenique signed with Rutgers. He played for Danny Hurley

Mike Rosario signed with Rutgers. A Bob Hurley recruit.

Rhode Island would beat Eddie 10 times out of 10 with his current team and thats without its best player. Every year there is a new excuse for Eddie. You either have it as a 60-year old coaching lifer or you don't and I think the lack of any fire is completely on the coaching staff.

Make fun of the Hurley's all you want but it's Weekend at Bernie's with Eddie.

Just because Rutgers got it wrong in the past is not a reason to avoid it in the present.

Complete no show performances against SHU and GW and we were tied at halftime with a division 3 team. You don't need to see any more. There are no big ten caliber players walking through that door and Jordan can't coach up under recruited kids. The team plays street ball.

We must be close to 280-90 in Ken Pom rankings.

How low can you go? No recruits in 2016 and the staff is barely heard of on the recruiting trail.

Eddie will blame facilities and lack of investment when it's all said and done but facilities don't make you play defense. Eddie's team's give up 80 points on a nightly basis
 
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Danny was an assistant at Rutgers.

Mike Rosario signed with Rutgers. A Bob Hurley recruit.

Rhode Island would beat Eddie 10 times out of 10 with his current team and thats without its best player. Every year there is a new excuse for Eddie. You either have it as a 60-year old coaching lifer or you don't and I think the lack of any fire is completely on the coaching staff.

Make fun of the Hurley's all you want but it's Weekend at Bernie's with Eddie.

Complete no show performances and we were tied at halftime with a division 3 team. You don't need to see any more. There are no big ten caliber players walking through that door and Jordan can't coach up under recruited kids. The team plays street ball.
Bob Hurley has sent well over 100 kids to D1 basketball schools, including a number of great players. How many to Rutgers?

I have no allegiance to Eddie. I don't think he understands the college game. It takes a hell of a lot more actual coaching than the pro game. If he goes at the end of the season, I'm fine with that. But if it is determined that the best way to go forward is to keep him for another year, I'm fine with that, too.

And yes, I want no part of the Hurleys. Their track record at RU is as close to zero as you could want. They have had tons of opportunities to lend a hand. Many other fish in the sea.
 
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Track record at RU? Who cares about his track record at RU he's not the coach here.

You guys think Bobby Sr is the king maker in NJ?! The people who send kids to schools are not high school coaches. This is not 1980.

And by the way, Danny's college profile crushes Jordan's and Danny came up as an assistant, high school coach, and then as HC at Wagner.

Eddie was handed a power 5 job with a contract over $6 million when he had zero experience as a college coach, assistant or recruiter.

I'm not a Hurley apologist but comparing them to Jordan in the college game? Contest over

I think some posters here have it all wrong by making them the enemy and not focusing it on the real enemy: Rutgers administration.

If you think Rutgers can hire someone with a sold track record at RU before actually, you know, taking the job first then I'm all ears lol
 
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Hey B1G, how about trying to be consistent from one post to the next. I wasn't the one bringing up what Bob Hurley has done for RU; you were. "Mike Rosario signed with Rutgers. A Bob Hurley recruit."

And yeah, we are in better shape than we were when Jordan took over. People were seriously discussing shutting the program down then. We didn't have enough players to field a team. And we were the laughing stock of college sports, not just basketball. Now we are a team that is playing poorly, but has recruited some good basketball players. That is a world better off than we were.

Danny Hurley, with two years at Wagner and one at Rhode Island (when the hire was made) and having coached for ten years in high school crushes:

Eight years in the NBA
NBA championship
Head coach of three different NBA teams
Five years of college assistant coach

Are you in fantasy land? That's the only thing I can think of.

You think Bob Hurley has no hand in where his kids go to school? Then why did you bring up Rosario?

The track record of the Hurleys with RU is completely appropriate as guys like you are drooling over hiring him at RU.

Have no idea what your last sentence means. I do know that with a decent salary offer we can get a good coach. I think that the EJ hire was a mistake and thought so at the time for the very reasons he's having trouble now. Don't think he knows how to coach kids at the college level. But I was more than willing to give him the chance, because the upside was so high if he succeeded.

Now I am willing to wait until we have the money to do this right. I do not want a hothead who was at one school for two years, hopped to another for one, and then was willing to hop again if the deal were right. And I don't want that now, either.
 
Hey B1G, how about trying to be consistent from one post to the next. I wasn't the one bringing up what Bob Hurley has done for RU; you were. "Mike Rosario signed with Rutgers. A Bob Hurley recruit."

And yeah, we are in better shape than we were when Jordan took over. People were seriously discussing shutting the program down then. We didn't have enough players to field a team. And we were the laughing stock of college sports, not just basketball. Now we are a team that is playing poorly, but has recruited some good basketball players. That is a world better off than we were.

Danny Hurley, with two years at Wagner and one at Rhode Island (when the hire was made) and having coached for ten years in high school crushes:

Eight years in the NBA
NBA championship
Head coach of three different NBA teams
Five years of college assistant coach

Are you in fantasy land? That's the only thing I can think of.

You think Bob Hurley has no hand in where his kids go to school? Then why did you bring up Rosario?

The track record of th with RU is completely appropriate as guys like you are drooling over hiring him at RU.
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Danny's track record or his fathers with RU has absolutely ZERO to do with him succeeding here as HC but keep being stubborn. OK? Do you understand?

You're the one who brought up the hurleys as no friends of Rutgers not me.

You say we were a laughing stock and now have recruited some good players. we are still a laughing stock. We have some pieces. but Please explain then back to back no show losses and 21 of 25 losses? 60-point losses in year 1. 15 straight in 2015. No rebounding drills quote after being embarrassed against seton hall

Hurley blows Eddie away by just teaching some defense and rebounding lol and not betting blown out. His team at the very least would have an identity because Rhode Island has one.


You just told me Eddie wasn't the right hire. Danny was considered. Give me guy who has won at the college level this century.

But Hey don't ask me. Ask recruiting writers and other college assistants about who's the better hc at college level or who they'd rather face in elimination game (Eddie's team!)

Hurley would have had us better than 260 in Ken Pom or a 34 point loss to GW. Tom Penders of all people made a joke about Rutgers today. A sad one.

And If you don't See that or can admit danny would have been better or is more equipped to build rutgers then start asking around.

Is Danny Hurley the only choice moving forward? Of course not. It's a two-way street anyway. Plenty of coaching upgrades out there to focus on. It is a unique job, however, and one Eddie never had a chance to succeed.

If Rhode Island whooped us by 30 which would probably happen would you give Danny credit? He doesn't lose to Seton Hall and GW by 30+ and he doesn't have facilities and he doesn't make as Much as Willard or Jordan
 
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Danny's track record or his fathers with RU has absolutely ZERO to do with him succeeding here as HC but keep being stubborn. OK? Do you understand?

You're the one who brought up the hurleys as no friends of Rutgers not me.

You say we were a laughing stock and now have recruited some good players. we are still a laughing stock. We have some pieces. but Please explain then back to back no show losses and 21 of 25 losses? 60-point losses in year 1. 15 straight in 2015. No rebounding drills quote after being embarrassed against seton hall

Hurley blows Eddie away by just teaching some defense and rebounding lol and not betting blown out. His team at the very least would have an identity because Rhode Island has one.


You just told me Eddie wasn't the right hire. Danny was considered. Give me guy who has won at the college level this century.

But Hey don't ask me. Ask recruiting writers and other college assistants about who's the better hc at college level or who they'd rather face in elimination game (Eddie's team!)

Hurley would have had us better than 260 in Ken Pom or a 34 point loss to GW. Tom Penders of all people made a joke about Rutgers today. A sad one.

And If you don't See that or can admit danny would have been better or is more equipped to build rutgers then start asking around.

Is Danny Hurley the only choice moving forward? Of course not. It's a two-way street anyway. Plenty of coaching upgrades out there to focus on. It is a unique job, however, and one Eddie never had a chance to succeed.

If Rhode Island whooped us by 30 which would probably happen would you give Danny credit? He doesn't lose to Seton Hall and GW by 30+ and he doesn't have facilities and he doesn't make as Much as Willard or Jordan
Hard to figure out where to start as there is so much wrong with this post.

To begin, of course their track record with RU has to do with whether Hurley would succeed here as head coach. As does Hurley's track record at Wagner (gone after two years) and URI (looking to get out after one). As does Hurley's record for intemperate behaviour. His record is all we have to go by, and it isn't all that attractive.

I brought up the Hurleys' being no friends of Rutgers in response to other posters. You are the one who said that Rosario was a "Bob Hurley recruit" and then immediately argued that Bob Hurley had no influence on his kids. I merely pointed out your lack of consistency. It hasn't changed.

As I said, I had doubts about the Jordan hire. But it was made to clean up a program with the worst reputation in college basketball, and he has done a good job of that. He's not the coach for the future, but he really never was. He was the transition. The hope was that he would clean the program up, get some good recruits, and put out a decent product until the B1G money started coming in, and we could upgrade to a high quality coach. Apparently we tried to get Danny Hurley to do that with help from his father. You know, make a contribution to the home state. But they wanted the sun and the moon. Listen, I don't blame them for looking out for themselves; I simply don't want any part of them at Rutgers.

Now Eddie simply is not getting the job done on the floor. So, the question is what do we do now? Many posters are clamouring for firing Eddie and hiring Hurley, the sooner the better. I'm saying that that would be as foolish as it would have been three years ago.

We should not fire EJ until we have the resources to make a serious upgrade in the program. If we move quickly or on the cheap, we will simply lock ourselves into the next unsuccessful hire.

If we do fire EJ, do we hire Hurley? Comparing Hurley to EJ is not really the question. If you want to compare Hurley to somebody, it should be who else we might get. And I would argue that we can do a lot better than Danny Hurley, who, if he were successful at RU, would be out the door as soon as he sniffed an upgrade. It's what he's done at Wagner and tried to do at URI. If he were all that attractive as an option, he wouldn't be there.
 
Not saying Hurley is the answer and need to look and see how his URI team is doing these days, but he a natural to be included in the discussion given his Jersey ties and name recognition. I think there are better coaches in his league but they are probably not coming here. Really hard to defend EJ at this point. Off the court of course we are better than when Rice was here but I don't see where we are better or even level with him on the court. Looks like a train wreck and yes I think it is reasonable to hold EJ accountable for that in year 3.
 
Cannot afford to wait another year
By the time we get rid of Eddie the new coach will be in the same boat as Eddie - he won't have any players (or any worth a damn)
 
I think we can all agree the program is in better shape than the day Eddie took over. And yet people want Eddie fired now, in his third year, while saying it will take seven years to turn the program around.

The other intriguing thing is that people seem to think the Hurleys, who've never done a thing for Rutgers in decades of NJ basketball history, are just the thing to solve our problems.

It will be interesting to see how Hobbs deals with this, particularly since some regular posters have him on some sort of threatened countdown.

Silliness abounds.
Seven years to turn around a program is a joke. And Eddie will still be losing four years from now
 
Hard to figure out where to start as there is so much wrong with this post.

To begin, of course their track record with RU has to do with whether Hurley would succeed here as head coach. As does Hurley's track record at Wagner (gone after two years) and URI (looking to get out after one). As does Hurley's record for intemperate behaviour. His record is all we have to go by, and it isn't all that attractive.

I brought up the Hurleys' being no friends of Rutgers in response to other posters. You are the one who said that Rosario was a "Bob Hurley recruit" and then immediately argued that Bob Hurley had no influence on his kids. I merely pointed out your lack of consistency. It hasn't changed.

As I said, I had doubts about the Jordan hire. But it was made to clean up a program with the worst reputation in college basketball, and he has done a good job of that. He's not the coach for the future, but he really never was. He was the transition. The hope was that he would clean the program up, get some good recruits, and put out a decent product until the B1G money started coming in, and we could upgrade to a high quality coach. Apparently we tried to get Danny Hurley to do that with help from his father. You know, make a contribution to the home state. But they wanted the sun and the moon. Listen, I don't blame them for looking out for themselves; I simply don't want any part of them at Rutgers.

Now Eddie simply is not getting the job done on the floor. So, the question is what do we do now? Many posters are clamouring for firing Eddie and hiring Hurley, the sooner the better. I'm saying that that would be as foolish as it would have been three years ago.

We should not fire EJ until we have the resources to make a serious upgrade in the program. If we move quickly or on the cheap, we will simply lock ourselves into the next unsuccessful hire.

If we do fire EJ, do we hire Hurley? Comparing Hurley to EJ is not really the question. If you want to compare Hurley to somebody, it should be who else we might get. And I would argue that we can do a lot better than Danny Hurley, who, if he were successful at RU, would be out the door as soon as he sniffed an upgrade. It's what he's done at Wagner and tried to do at URI. If he were all that attractive as an option, he wouldn't be there.
I wonder what the ef is the problem with Jersey City and Hansen/Hurley and any state loyalty as we get so little love or respect from them....Hansen seems to steer his kids to of all places BC...maybe Catholic loyalty is above home state to them..
 

Ahhhh, yes it is! RUMBB is one of the bottom 20 programs in the nation...out of 320+. We are SO far from mediocre, it is frightening to contemplate!

Let me NOT sugar coat it for you...WE SUCK! Is that clear enough? Sorry if that's not pleasant to read to you hey-feely enough...
 
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