Penn State should've been in playoffs
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2nd best team in the country??? They were the second best team at the Rose Bowl. And call me when they play one ounce of defense.
was at game
1) Bama Best D
2) USC best O
3) Clemson most complete team
4) PSU VERY good.. prob 4/5th best team in country this year
5) Sam Darnold one of 3 best QB's I've seen vs PSU.. includes March Sanchez and Russell Wilson.. Darnold might be gone after next year.. he is the closest thing I've seen to Big Ben.. he threw covered WR's open all night.. an absolutle CANNON... he is Hackenberg with accuracy..
1) Bama Best D
2) USC best O
3) Clemson most complete team
4) PSU VERY good.. prob 4/5th best team in country this year
5) Sam Darnold one of 3 best QB's I've seen vs PSU.. includes March Sanchez and Russell Wilson.. Darnold might be gone after next year.. he is the closest thing I've seen to Big Ben.. he threw covered WR's open all night.. an absolutle CANNON... he is Hackenberg with accuracy..
Any team who cannot win their conference should never be able to claim they were the best in the country. I am hopeful the selection committee will never reach over a champ to select a runner up. Either Penn State or Oklahoma should have been selected instead of Ohio State.
If you want that to be true, make overall record factor more heavily into conference championship. Because a team that loses multiple games doesn't belong over a team with 1 loss.
So, hypothetical, a B1G West team losses 3 OOC games but then gets hot and 7-1 or 8-1 in conference. Gets to the BCG against an undefeated number 1 B1G East team and beats them in a squeaker. BE team ends up ranked 3 in country and the Champion is a 4 loss number 21...are you really getting the best team in that case?
WMU wasn't close to being one of the best, but being conference champions with a undefeated record should deserve a place in the playoffs before any 2 loss P-5 Conference champion..
But being stubborn in my ways: felt OSU didn't deserve a spot because they weren't B1G Champs.
But being stubborn in my ways: felt OSU didn't deserve a spot because they weren't B1G Champs.
Why? Taking liberties with your argument, Western Michigan should have made the playoffs because they didn't lose a game during the regular season. No way should a 1-loss team get in over an undefeated one.
There is no preseason in college football. Oklahoma and Penn State were undefeated in the regular season from September 25th to the end of the season. Because conference games are generally at the end of a team's schedule, the conference record is at least as important than the overall record. Ohio State's loss to Penn State came in the middle of PSU's 9-game winning streak. OSU has lost two of their final 8 games. Ohio State should not have been in the playoffs.
Plus, if you want to reward teams for playing a strong OOC schedules, all games have to count, not just conference games.
I disagree with you regarding Western Michigan, but agree with you on OSU. I am hopeful Ohio State's performance deters the committee from reaching over conference champions in the future.
That's taking pretty ginormous liberties. There's a distinction between P5 and G5 for a reason. WMU doesn't make the playoff because it's a G5 with a weak schedule ... i.e. weak like losing to Pitt while getting destroyed by Michigan.
I don't even know wtf you're talking about with the rest of that drivel. Bottom line: OSU got in, PSU didn't.
How so? The reason teams haven't played strong OOC schedules was because of the risk of losing. The idea is to make these tough games more of a reward than it is a penalty. For example, Oklahoma loses to (then #15) Houston and (then #3) Ohio State in two of the first three games this season and was never taken seriously because the Big 12 was mediocre for a P5 conference. They then win their final nine games, going undefeated in their conference, and finished ranked 7th. The committee has reinforced the perception that you shouldn't play more than one tough OOC game if you want a shot at the playoffs.
Except that beating a strong Oklahoma team helped make OSU's case for getting in the playoff. So there's that.
If anything, getting beaten by what turned out to be a disappointing Houston team hurt OK worse than the OSU loss. So they shouldn't schedule maybe-good teams like Houston and just more blue bloods.
Got to disagree with you a bit, Clemson might be that good and PSU played great against USC, but USC wasn't a playoff team.
If playoffs are just based on rankings, OSU was ranked #3 and had only 1 loss like #2 Clemson did.
PSU was #5 , while the one loss Washington team was
4 and took the last spot in the 4 team NC playoffs.
I feel a conference championship should be the qualification, but that's not how the playoffs are set up.
Heck I even said WMU should have been put in before OSU or PSU because they were conference champions , but even with that statement know WMU isn't a better team than either PSU or OSU.
I just have an outdated opinion that a conference champion should be put in the NC playoffs before any other team from that conference is.
Yes, Oklahoma lost to Ohio State. Then Ohio State lost to Penn State. Penn State won the division and the conference championship game, which Ohio State was not invited to. Using Ohio State's victory to justify Oklahoma's exclusion hurts your point. As my "previous drivel" stated, the conventional wisdom has always been that it is better to lose early than it is late because of the lack of preseason in college ball. Ohio State's loss to Penn State was 4 weeks later than Penn State's loss to Michigan and 5 weeks later than Oklahoma's loss to Ohio State. Ohio State didn't belong in the playoff. As much as I hate the ACC, I'm glad this happened and hope we'll never have this happen
But I didn't use Ohio State's victory to justify OK's exclusion ... at all.
However, using an example of playoff-bound OSU losing late to prove that a late loss is/should be more detrimental than an early loss does indeed hurt your point. In fact, it basically flips that entire "conventional wisdom" on its bloody ear.
Just because OSU lost doesn't mean they'll do things any differently in the future. Teams lose, sometimes badly.
And now you're wrong, too. That's ridiculous. There's simply no way 2-loss teams like PSU or OK, should've gone over a 1-loss OSU, which had much better wins than those two teams and no losses to lesser teams, unlike PSU (Pitt) and OK (Houston); and on top of that OSU destroyed OK. Sure PSU upset OSU, but nobody thought PSU was the better team based on the regular season.
Most sportscasters hardly fit the mold of "liberal media." Sports has always had more of a conservative bent, although in a perfect world they would leave politics to people that cover it. And "lefty liberal sportscasters" is not only stupid but redundant.
The problem isn't "Satan," or some other such nonsense. It's money,. And love of money is the root of all evil. Or at least the root of enabling evil.
The problem isn't "Satan," or some other such nonsense. It's money,. And love of money is the root of all evil. Or at least the root of enabling evil.
Penn State was missing five starters from its defense including all three starting LBs. Penn State then lost two walk on LBs early in the game, and as a result couldnt even field a proper defense hence the final score. Extenuating circumstances for sure.
Actually, wasn't the original penalty a 4 year bowl ban? That would have finished last year. This is year 5 and eligibility would have been restored the NCAA had not backed down.
Like their opponents had no injuries.
Seriously, Pedd St. lost to Pitt. So they weren't even #1 in Pennsylvania.
And call me when they play one ounce of defense.[/QUOTE]
How about Nov 18th? Look I root for RU and want to see them in the Rose Bowl, but if your Ash you can offer recruits an opportunity for playing time and growing the program. Despite the loss, Franklin can sell that Rose Bowl game and 100k for every home game.
How about Nov 18th? Look I root for RU and want to see them in the Rose Bowl, but if your Ash you can offer recruits an opportunity for playing time and growing the program. Despite the loss, Franklin can sell that Rose Bowl game and 100k for every home game.
Fortunately they were back in time to hold USC to 52 points on Monday.
