Bottom line winning matters and young males interested in basketball haven't seen 1 Rutgers winning season.There really needs to be a sense of urgency to change the status quo because words like process and rebuild have little resonance with recruits because they have other choices from winning programs.
Perception of RU from top-tier recruits
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the way you get top recruits interested is to win games and go to the tournament. You can do that without having elite recruits on the roster, you just need decent recruits (say top 300 ish) and a good coach that can develop them as players over 4 years. It's a long process but it can work. Once you start to have some success you will then have access to better recruits and can build from there. Now obviously it helps if somewhere along the way you have some top 50 or top 100 kid with local ties or even personal ties to the coach that can jump on board and help kick start it.
Recruiting today is very different than it was pre internet. If you talk to a Phil Sellers, an Alex Bradley, Adrian Dantley, John Shumate or any number of recruits during Rutgers Hoops Hayday, the stories they relate will be quite different than today's kids go through. The high school coach has been down played and agents, handlers and others control the game.
Thread seems misleading to be honest. If these kids are serious options for Duke or Kentucky then they are not "top 100" prospects, they are probably top 20 guys.
Look at the type of programs guys in the 50-100 range go to. If Pikiell has what it takes as a recruiter, he should have no problem landing 1-2 guys in the that range each year.
Look at the type of programs guys in the 50-100 range go to. If Pikiell has what it takes as a recruiter, he should have no problem landing 1-2 guys in the that range each year.
Guys...
There are 400 top 100 players over any 4 year period. 400 players over all 350 division schools
Even if you count only the 75 programs in the power 5 and big east....on average most programs probably have 4 on a roster. (Figuring the other 100 go NBA, never make it or some end up at other schools one way or the other)
That means, on average, 9 out of 13 spots on your roster are built from those 3 Star kids in the 101-250.
Outside the 10-12 programs that select, it’s about getting a couple of four stars and getting the right kids in that 101-250, that work in your system, have the attitude and upside, The right combination of atheirisxm and skill...and developing them
People keep saying we have been recruiting badly for the last 25 years since joining the big east in 95/96
We have been, but it’s not because we haven’t got some top 100 kids, and not had a roster that mostly wasn’t filled with those 3 Star, top 101-250 types. Bannon, waters, Hill, rice and even Eddie had this mix.
It’s beduase we didn’t get the right mix and didn’t do enough developing them. Not all
Kids in that 101-250 range are built equally, and each have strengths and weakness that keep them in that range,
But not make them top 100 kids
The better coaches and talent evaluations see through that ...and get the right ingredients
I really think we have two classes on the right track here...Baker/Duke/Johnson last year and Mathis/carter/Harper this year
Two more classs of this or better and the wins will be coming.
We finally have a coach and staff that not only is getting players, but has a system to develop them and is getting the right ones on that list....
Patience is needed when no one wants to be )including me)....but this is being built right ....
There are 400 top 100 players over any 4 year period. 400 players over all 350 division schools
Even if you count only the 75 programs in the power 5 and big east....on average most programs probably have 4 on a roster. (Figuring the other 100 go NBA, never make it or some end up at other schools one way or the other)
That means, on average, 9 out of 13 spots on your roster are built from those 3 Star kids in the 101-250.
Outside the 10-12 programs that select, it’s about getting a couple of four stars and getting the right kids in that 101-250, that work in your system, have the attitude and upside, The right combination of atheirisxm and skill...and developing them
People keep saying we have been recruiting badly for the last 25 years since joining the big east in 95/96
We have been, but it’s not because we haven’t got some top 100 kids, and not had a roster that mostly wasn’t filled with those 3 Star, top 101-250 types. Bannon, waters, Hill, rice and even Eddie had this mix.
It’s beduase we didn’t get the right mix and didn’t do enough developing them. Not all
Kids in that 101-250 range are built equally, and each have strengths and weakness that keep them in that range,
But not make them top 100 kids
The better coaches and talent evaluations see through that ...and get the right ingredients
I really think we have two classes on the right track here...Baker/Duke/Johnson last year and Mathis/carter/Harper this year
Two more classs of this or better and the wins will be coming.
We finally have a coach and staff that not only is getting players, but has a system to develop them and is getting the right ones on that list....
Patience is needed when no one wants to be )including me)....but this is being built right ....
Yeah, there has to be a way to clean that up or throw a coat of paint on it and give Glidden some free ad space somewhere to defray the cost (only partially kidding).
Msg from our occasionally resident SHOE troll. Thought we got rid of him, but like crabgrass, he is stubborn. If you post sensibly, you are welcome. But you prefer veiled zingers. Say Hello to Chicken Pox for me.
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I’m first of all, I’m not a “shoe troll”. Second of all, what exactly did you find in my post that said “veiled zinger”? I recalled reading a quote from him shortly after he took the RU job that is what I was referring to.
I couldn't agree with you more. Nothing special to look at. I really wish there was an effort underway to build a downtown NB arena.
Yeah. I hate harping on it because it’s something we’ve talked about for years. My guess and it’s hard to tell from the artist drawings, is that the outside will match up with the design of the practice center. I hope it will anyway? The only issue is TIME because they won’t get to part that for a pretty long time.
I wish they would have done something on a smaller scale just to make it look clean? It’s just such an unattractive building. Kids see what they see when they pull up. The inside doesn’t make you feel much better either? I hope there’s some money left for that as well? No reason to keep the pull out seats. Would love to make it a bowl and fill in the gaps with permanent seats. I think it could be done and it would also give a new look to the inside.
Johnny Biggs SHU poster 1288, assigned his member number Feb 2015, and soon thereafter, started posting on the RU board. You just admitted it the other day, kid, saying you posted on our board to troll. Can find your post on that subject quickly if you like. You groused that it took us all that time to find you out.
So forgive me if your posts make me suspicious.
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When they eliminate one-and-done and again allow guys to go pro out of HS, that may elevate competition for the type of guys Pike is going after. Coaches--and school athletic Depts--imitate, and with the success so many schools have had in the Big Dance with less-touted but veteran players, you can expect Dook and others to go back to that model. Your Bagleys. etc, will be jumping from HS. Coach K used to brag about how all his players got their degrees(well, yeah--in the dumbed-down players-only Soc curriculum), but they did.
Then, having that facility completed will be one less talking point from a competing school--we are already leaving the abysmal past in the past as time goes on. "Don't you remember when the RU coach was heaving basketballs at his players?" some assistant will ask a kid on a recruiting visit. "Huh? When was that, before I was born?"
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