Peter Kiss COMMITS to Rutgers
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A puff of white smoke but I think he missed the tree.More shooting practice required.
With expected PG play our existing shooters should get better looks with better spacing Mike and Issa
He shot .425 (.462 if you remove his 3-pt attempts) from the floor. Where was he scoring from?
Only a Rutgers fan can look at a guy who shoots 27% from three and say "he can shoot". The making is the part that matters.
I like that this kid showed periods where he shot well, which he can certainly even improve on as he gets older. But when I really really like is the fact that he can rebound well at the 2 and cover guys at the 1, 2, and 3. That screams Pikiell's system. He also shares the ball well, 2.8 assists per game is a nice stat for a true freshman. I think Pikiell is going to reload the roster with people who are great fits and continue the culture he wants, which in the early years for him will be so important.
Didn't hit his first until the 3rd game, and his shot fell apart over the last 5 games (hit a freshman wall?). For most of the season, though, he was shooting .327 - not terrible.
Hopefully a year of S&C and practice can help him improve his consistency. He took a lot of mid-range shots from what I saw in limited film, which is something that was lacking from our offense last year.
Bronson Koenig shot 32% from 3 as a freshman. Unless you were a total cynic you could see then he had the skill set to be a great shooter as he matured.
There is a big difference between didn't shoot well in his first year and isn't a good shooter.
Kiss has a year to improve.
The most important thing about player development is the player wants to improve for themselves. Just like regular human development. Kiss has that. Not all players do.
They always say about trainers "You want a kid that calls you to go play, not a trainer that has to call the kid.
Kiss calls. Not the opposite. I know his three point shot will get better.
The most important thing about player development is the player wants to improve for themselves. Just like regular human development. Kiss has that. Not all players do.
They always say about trainers "You want a kid that calls you to go play, not a trainer that has to call the kid.
Kiss calls. Not the opposite. I know his three point shot will get better.
There is a also a big difference between the level of defense in the Big Ten vs. the MAAC. I hope he becomes a much better outside shooter by the time he takes the floor for RU. As of now, 27% in the MAAC does not make someone a "shooter". I also never assume a player is automatically going to get better as he gets older. I've seen too many examples of guys who are what they are.
Kiss didn't even play basketball all four years of high school. Therefore, it is not crazy to believe he will show more improvement than the average player. What he did last year was with raw talent.
Recent Rutgers starting guards' 3P%:
Mike Williams - .240 as a freshman, .316 as a sophomore
Nigel Johnson - .279 as a freshman, .339 as a sophomore
Myles Mack - .338 as a freshman, .462 as a sophomore
Jerome Seagears - .333 as a freshman, .381 as a sophomore
We've had quite a few guys improve their freshman year 3P% over the last several years. From Kiss' tape, it seems like he can score from 10-12 feet out, which we weren't really able to say about anyone on the roster this year. If he can be that mid-range shooter who can open up the interior, and hit enough threes to keep defenses honest, that's already movement in the right direction. If he can get his 3P% up in the .350+ range, that'd be even better. Having a year of development off the court should help - both defensively going against Sanders in practice, and offensively working for a year with Pikiell/Knight/Hobbs.
Mike Williams - .240 as a freshman, .316 as a sophomore
Nigel Johnson - .279 as a freshman, .339 as a sophomore
Myles Mack - .338 as a freshman, .462 as a sophomore
Jerome Seagears - .333 as a freshman, .381 as a sophomore
We've had quite a few guys improve their freshman year 3P% over the last several years. From Kiss' tape, it seems like he can score from 10-12 feet out, which we weren't really able to say about anyone on the roster this year. If he can be that mid-range shooter who can open up the interior, and hit enough threes to keep defenses honest, that's already movement in the right direction. If he can get his 3P% up in the .350+ range, that'd be even better. Having a year of development off the court should help - both defensively going against Sanders in practice, and offensively working for a year with Pikiell/Knight/Hobbs.
TRUST in Pike!! I'm sure he feels Kiss provides good potential and a good fit for this team.
You got me there. Fro some reason, I did think his numbers were better. I watched him play a couple of times and I still like him though. I'd like to see a grad transfer or JUCO that can play next but after that the recruiting really needs to pick up. Mathis would be huge.
Bizarre if you ask me...seems like a few are equating his whiteness with his ability to shoot
If you watched him play, odds are his shooting numbers probably were better. His stats are very streaky, and he hit two clear slumps during the season.
Missed 19 straight from 2/17-2/29:
2/17 - Fairfield (0-6)
2/19 - Manhattan (0-5)
2/23 - Marist (0-5)
2/26 - Rider (0-1... only played 13 min)
2/29 - Niagara (3-7, but missed first two of the game)
Missed 12-15 straight from 12/18-1/2, too:
12/18 - Maine (1-4... couldn't get a play by play to know at what point of the game he hit the one three)
12/21 - Drexel (0-4)
12/29 - Brown (0-6)
1/2 - Niagara (2-6, but missed first two of the game)
Hopefully he can improve his consistency working under Pike/staff.
Souf Mensah is another one who hopefully will improve. Mensah just simply hasn't taken many threes, while Kiss was very inconsistent. From the brief snippets I saw on film, though, both seem to be able to pull up and knock down a jumper from 10-12 feet and are not limited to getting to the rim. Mensah hit .461 from 2P range last year, and Kiss hit .478
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I think part of it is that we've been so starved for anyone who can hit a three. We haven't had a starting guard hit at better than .350 since 2013-14.
Best 3P% for players with at least 2 attempts per game since 2011-12:
.462 Mack (2012-13)
.405 Grier (2015-16)
.402 Seagears (2013-14)
.381 Seagears (2012-13)
.370 Mack (2013-14)
.353 Carter (2011-12)
.350 Johnson (2016-17)
.338 Mack (2011-12)
.333 Campbell (2013-14)
.333 Seagears (2011-12)
.324 Mack (2014-15)
.320 Carter (2012-13)
.319 Williams (2016-17)
.316 Williams (2015-16)
.315 Sanders (2015-16)
.311 Etou (2014-15)
.306 Thiam (2016-17)
.300 Moore (2013-14)
.266 Sanders (2016-17)
.240 Williams (2014-15)
We've only had four players hit better than .350 in a season in the last six years, and only one since 2013-14 (and it was a backup guard). We look at Thiam as having a lot of potential from range, even though he shot just .306 this season.
We're so desperate for someone who can knock down a three that we're trying to read tea leaves to find him.
Right now it's:
Williams - just .318 over the last two years... but he's really been emerging this year, and maybe he can elevate his game as a senior!
Thiam - just .306... but he's tall, good reports out of practice, hopefully can raise his release point!
Baker - will be a true freshman, but he's tall, good scouting reports, hopefully he can step in and start knocking shots down from range!
Kiss - just .277... but he's tall, shows promise outside of some slumps, and will have a redshirt year to improve!
Mensah - just .222... but he only made 9 attempts last year, so maybe it's a small sample size and the staff saw something they can improve!
It's all wishcasting right now. Quincy Douby's not walking through the door at this point, so I think hope for improvement is clouding our better reasoning.
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Peter Kiss leaving Quinnipiac men’s basketball for Rutgers
Peter Kiss leaving Quinnipiac men’s basketball for Rutgers
Probably a Pistol Pete, Larry Bird thing. Dude could be green and from the 4th planet, and it wouldn't matter.
If anyone's interested, I found a complete game on YouTube, Quinnipiac vs Fairfield from 2/17 - someone with more basketball savvy than myself can maybe breakdown more of his overall game beyond just a highlight reel. Kiss' line was 17 pts (6-18, 0-6), 9 rbs, 5 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk, 3 to, 2 pf.
I was taking his shooting for granted.. but that line.. 0-6 from tree (or three).. not good. At some point you gotta stop shooting the long ball and hit the boards.. and those 9 RBs could be just that.
We need trees that can hit threes... and threes that can guard trees when needed.
Yeah, that was the start of his second extended three point slump. Went 0-5 the next two games, too. Definitely streaky.... went 4-4 against Manhattan, then two days later went 1-6 against St. Peter's. One thing I do like is that he's never missed more than 2 FTs in a game... and had 8 games where he was perfect from the line.
