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Politi article on the QB situation for all the armchair coaches out there

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Surprised this hasn't been posted yet (I did look and didn't see it, at least not under any obvious title). Decent article, talking about how Laviano earned the position in camp, but pointing out how Ash wasn't happy with ball security. Tough place for a coach, knowing the starter didn't perform that well, but probably not having anyone else he has a lot of confidence in. When do we get our Teddy Bridgewater?

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...erback_chris_laviano_y.html#incart_river_home
 
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His fear of turnovers may be the explanation as to why he is not throwing down field. He is going for lower risk throws.
 
Bench?! Bench?!

who the f* said bench?!?!?!????

All anyone (I know) was asking was why leave CL in the entire game? why not give either Gio or Allen a series or two?

what's the worst that could happen? And who knows, maybe they would show they handle in-game pressure a bit better than you expected.......


In the end - it's no big deal......... but, why people have to have this "starter or benched" mentality is beyond me........
 
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Exactly. Just like last year most people just want to see if anyone else could do any better. That doesn't mean benching, it means playing time.

Can we at least give someone else a few snaps in a game this year if Laviano OR THE OFFENSE is struggling?
 
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Sometimes you just need to try something else. Not doing so strikes me as trying too hard to avoid a controversy to your own detriment.
 
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If CL continues to struggle why not just give the ball to Odin and let him learn on the job? He came up in this system and he is touted as the QB of the future so why not let him gain experience. Yes, he will struggle but we are probably going to struggle all year at QB.
 
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Thought it was odd that no one else got a series in a game clearly out of reach. Am of the opinion an arm like Rettig can stretch a defense that is prone to collapsing against Lavs. Two other options as well that are not game tested.

Need experience in the event of injury - strange decision by staff.
 
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cicero grimes said:
If CL continues to struggle why not just give the ball to Odin and let him learn on the job? He came up in this system and he is touted as the QB of the future so why not let him gain experience. Yes, he will struggle but we are probably going to struggle all year at QB.
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That was the point last year once it was clear we weren't going anywhere and given that Rettig had at least shown flashes of skill/success. Didn't seem like there was such a big downside to giving him a shot.

Same logic this year in some ways, IMO, although I don't think it's fair to dump Laviano after one mediocre/bad game, where he did make mistakes, but he also wasn't getting much help and it was against a very good defense.

However, if we lose to NM and CL doesn't play well, I'm all for making a change - then the question becomes who. I almost don't care, but if Oden is at least doing well in practice, then why not take a chance, as most of us assume his ceiling is much higher than the other guys and he's going to take his lumps at some point no matter when he first plays. And I have no issue with him being skinny - people aren't China dolls (they used to say the same thing about Randall Cunningham). Also, if people have forgotten, here's what Ash said after signing day:

``Tylin Oden is exactly what we want in the system for the future, and Tylin is an outstanding quarterback and a talented kid who can beat you with his feet and his arm and I think we hit a home run. If we didn’t sign one we weren’t going to worry about it too much. I think there’s some outstanding quarterbacks on this roster that we can go out and play some winning football with. But I think we hit a home run with Tylin.’’

If you’re keeping score, Ash said three times that getting Oden, who had been committed to Louisville, was a ``home run.’’

Clearly, Oden is the key piece of this hastily assembled recruiting class.

And if in the coming years he’s the face of Rutgers football, then Ash’s inaugural recruiting class will be judged as a resounding success.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see Oden by game 4 or 5 - if CL continues to struggle. Of course a redshirt is probably better for Oden, but if there's any chance he can help us win this year, he'll be in.

http://www.app.com/story/sports/col...016/02/03/tylin-oden-rutgers-future/79756950/
 
lighty said:
Exactly. Just like last year most people just want to see if anyone else could do any better. That doesn't mean benching, it means playing time.

Can we at least give someone else a few snaps in a game this year if Laviano OR THE OFFENSE is struggling?
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I totally agree with someone else seeing time on the field in a real game situation. I don't know if we'll see Odin though. I think Ash will redshirt him until he can get another recruiting class under his belt. I would actually agree with this move. Ash knows this is not the year that we turn it around.
 
You have to consider the source. The article was written by a guy who looks remarkably like a penis, but in all these years has never done a single thing to alter the situation.
 
Ok for everyone once again its Tylin O D E N. Not this Viking God you all speak of Odin. But yeah Odin would probably be a helluva a QB and lead us to a National Championship.
 
RU848789 said:
Surprised this hasn't been posted yet (I did look and didn't see it, at least not under any obvious title). Decent article, talking about how Laviano earned the position in camp, but pointing out how Ash wasn't happy with ball security. Tough place for a coach, knowing the starter didn't perform that well, but probably not having anyone else he has a lot of confidence in. When do we get our Teddy Bridgewater?

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...erback_chris_laviano_y.html#incart_river_home
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lighty said:
Exactly. Just like last year most people just want to see if anyone else could do any better. That doesn't mean benching, it means playing time.

Can we at least give someone else a few snaps in a game this year if Laviano OR THE OFFENSE is struggling?
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So the coach deciding if anyone else could do any better is not good enough?
The fans have to decide if the coach is right or not?
Boy the names of some of the QB's over the years the fan base wanted...
Some body wrote this is the third coaching staff to evaluate Rettig with the same outcome.
We had fans clamouring for him last year, this year he's buried on the depth chart.
 
Here's where he tips his hand, Politi, that he is full of it.. his well-wishes for Rutgers..he is going through the motions, not putting any real thought into this topic. Not caring if it doesn't make any real sense.

He mentions Rettig not getting the chance by 2 staffs... so he must not have "it".

And he then admits it is a new system but makes no attempt to suggest that maybe the new system is not suited to Rettig.

And we know the last staff sucked, so why should their distaste for developing multiple QBs have anything to do with assessing the position today?

And in the end Politi just says what everyone said after not seeing another QB vs Washington... "well, he really should play another QB some in the next games".
 
koleszar said:
Ok for everyone once again its Tylin O D E N. Not this Viking God you all speak of Odin. But yeah Odin would probably be a helluva a QB and lead us to a National Championship.
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Thank you Mr. Spelling Nazi
 
RU#1fan said:
Thank you Mr. Spelling Nazi
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Sorry, but I was getting confused if we actually recruited a Norse Viking God and converted him to a QB. Maybe this year we can recruit his son Thor, I heard he's a helluva RB. He could become our next Thunder and Lightning combination all by himself.
 
koleszar said:
Sorry, but I was getting confused if we actually recruited a Norse Viking God and converted him to a QB. Maybe this year we can recruit his son Thor, I heard he's a helluva RB. He could become our next Thunder and Lightning combination all by himself.
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You must miss the Viking series .
Can't wait for its return.
 
RUBigFrank said:
Thought it was odd that no one else got a series in a game clearly out of reach. Am of the opinion an arm like Rettig can stretch a defense that is prone to collapsing against Lavs. Two other options as well that are not game tested.

Need experience in the event of injury - strange decision by staff.
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Rettig's the 4th-5th string QB. The chances are he'll never play another down at RU.

You people really need to let it go.

You're very likely going to see 2 or 3 QB's Saturday which I'm betting was the plan for game 1 and 2 all along. Nothing strange about it.
 
RU playing a top 5 d on the road with a 2nd string player whose game experience at qb includes just his senior year in hs. Well let's through the guy out there and hope he can play, or maybe you take the beating and wait for a more favorable match up to get the guy in a game. Duh hmm what am I thinking.
 
Here's the in-game highlights from our QB who is immobile, inaccurate, can't remember the plays, can't create touchdowns unless he has Carroo oh wait ... that's the other guy

 
Bagarocks said:
So the coach deciding if anyone else could do any better is not good enough?
The fans have to decide if the coach is right or not?
Boy the names of some of the QB's over the years the fan base wanted...
Some body wrote this is the third coaching staff to evaluate Rettig with the same outcome.
We had fans clamouring for him last year, this year he's buried on the depth chart.
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Remember people wanted Dodd too.
 
knightfan7 said:
Rettig's the 4th-5th string QB. The chances are he'll never play another down at RU.

You people really need to let it go.

You're very likely going to see 2 or 3 QB's Saturday which I'm betting was the plan for game 1 and 2 all along. Nothing strange about it.
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The oddity is that no other quarterback got game experience for a road game that was well out of reach.

Based on how the o line played - the probability of injury increases! Who ever the staff has in mind as back up comes in cold with no game experience. Certainly recognize that Rettig is buried deep on the bench - point being is that the inability of a deeper throw allows opposing defenses to stack the box and collapse into a shorter field. Rettig is probably the only roster QB that can eliminate this issue via his stronger arm.

Statistics both lie and tell a truth - Lavs completion percentage at 60% is grossly misleading when taken into account with his lack of touch down production.
 
RUBigFrank said:
The oddity is that no other quarterback got game experience for a road game that was well out of reach.

Based on how the o line played - the probability of injury increases! Who ever the staff has in mind as back up comes in cold with no game experience. Certainly recognize that Rettig is buried deep on the bench - point being is that the inability of a deeper throw allows opposing defenses to stack the box and collapse into a shorter field. Rettig is probably the only roster QB that can eliminate this issue via his stronger arm.

Statistics both lie and tell a truth - Lavs completion percentage at 60% is grossly misleading when taken into account with his lack of touch down production.
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Frank, I can't put myself inside the heads of the staff even though that's what I and everyone else do here daily lol.

I believe with no proof whatsoever that the feeling was they need to have the starter get as much experience as possible running the offense against an opponent in game 1. As I posted elsewhere I fully expect to see Gio and maybe even Allen get reps Saturday but thinking about it more, not as much as they possibly would have if things had gone better last week. That's a shame but the reality of the situation.
 
koleszar said:
Ok for everyone once again its Tylin O D E N. Not this Viking God you all speak of Odin. But yeah Odin would probably be a helluva a QB and lead us to a National Championship.
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Ha, to be fair, when this came up the other day, I googled Tyler Odin, cause I thought that was his name, and guess what, there is a non viking god Tyler Odin QB in this universe. He just happens to play at Louisville.

Now I didn't click the link, just saw that there was a 247 recruiting profile of Tyler Odin, and thought, "where are these a-holes coming up with Tylin Oden, it's Tyler freaking Odin".

pretty funny though that there is a Tyler Odin, and Tylin Oden though. And both are QB's.
 
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His fear of turnovers may be the explanation as to why he is not throwing down field. He is going for lower risk throws.
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They want him to be a game manager.

Problem is, he is still turning the ball over.
 
Bagarocks said:
So the coach deciding if anyone else could do any better is not good enough?
The fans have to decide if the coach is right or not?
Boy the names of some of the QB's over the years the fan base wanted...
Some body wrote this is the third coaching staff to evaluate Rettig with the same outcome.
We had fans clamouring for him last year, this year he's buried on the depth chart.
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And 2 staffs passed on Jonny Unitas, who is that guy up in new England that couldn't beat how many qbs at Michigan. plenty of examples of qbs being passed over or propped up....
 
RU needs to play multiple QBS THIS SEASON.This year and probably next are a rebuild and we need to see multiple skill players play.Good start with two freshman playing last week now lets see..Allen,Gio and hopefully by seasons end,even some Tylin Oden ...no reason not to...this season will be low in wins no matter what..build for the future now
 
willisneverrana43 said:
Precisely. More often than not, quarterback controversies are a sign that the team doesn't have enough talent at the position, not that the coach is mystifyingly unable to see that something much better is sitting on his bench.
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I still think we should give Tywin Lannister a chance.
 
G- RUnit said:
The Dodd that won a bowl game? The Dodd that lead the comeback against USF? The "People" were right. Threw away a bowl win against Va Tech.
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That Va Tech game is a good example.

Was Nova a better overall QB then Dodd? For argument's sake I'll say yes.

But on that day Nova was god awful, and Dodd would have very much given us a better chance to win.

Does that relate to current situation, maybe not specifically in Laviano being Nova vs Va Tech bad, but in general I think this idea of "he's the better QB thus he plays every snap" is faulty.
 
Bagarocks said:
So the coach deciding if anyone else could do any better is not good enough?
The fans have to decide if the coach is right or not?
Boy the names of some of the QB's over the years the fan base wanted...
Some body wrote this is the third coaching staff to evaluate Rettig with the same outcome.
We had fans clamouring for him last year, this year he's buried on the depth chart.
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You've been around long enough there are many people on this board who are convinced they know more and are better suited to pick who plays than this or any staff that coaches Rutgers and apparently LSU. You're wasting your breath.
 
willisneverrana43 said:
Precisely. More often than not, quarterback controversies are a sign that the team doesn't have enough talent at the position, not that the coach is mystifyingly unable to see that something much better is sitting on his bench.
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Meh, OSU didn't lack in talent just last year, and it could be said that even the great Urban Meyer(No sarcasm) made the wrong choice.
 
Texas and Notre Dame will have horrible seasons,just like Ohio state did last year, playing two QBS!!! :eyes:
 
Meh right back. I wasn't aware of any meaningful controversy at OSU. They were winning. These controversies start--and remember, we're talking most of the time--when the team and the QB is struggling and the fans decide that someone on the bench is either better or should be tried simply because the fans are hopeful or think they know something the coach doesn't. It's very infrequent that a coach starts a relatively bad QB and has a much better and ready one on the bench. It's frequent, however, that fans think this is happening.
 
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