I agree with those who say they saw nothing in Laviano's appearances last season to think he should be the starting QB..I say go with the guy with the greater ceiling , Rettig, and see what happens....Moreover , a mobile QB like Laviano would be the better option as the #2 QB. If games get out of hand his style of play might shake up a lethargic offense.
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My problem with Laviano, is not his arm, it's his release time. He takes too long between the mind seeing an open receiver and releasing the ball. Rettig seems to make that decision quicker, which makes me think that he knows the Offense better than most give him credit for. All this talk about Lavianos mobility is a little foolish in a Pro Style Offense, the QB in this style only needs to know how to do it within the pocket. In other words good pocket presence. Don't know which or if either is good at this, but my guess Laviano is too quick to run out of the pocket, with pressure.
I just hope that Flood listens to his new "consultant," Ralph Friedman.
If not rotate the two in the first game, that will give a coach a better understanding of who moves the team better, and who the players go that extra mile to please. This naming a starter a week into training camp is pure bull*hit! Especially when both contenders are so close withing the competition. Let it play out.
I just hope that Flood listens to his new "consultant," Ralph Friedman.
If not rotate the two in the first game, that will give a coach a better understanding of who moves the team better, and who the players go that extra mile to please. This naming a starter a week into training camp is pure bull*hit! Especially when both contenders are so close withing the competition. Let it play out.
If it were up to me, I'd start Laviano. With kids this young, game day experience is key. He could have melted at OSU, but he held his own for a back-up.
However once Rettig has had some meaningful snaps of his own (cupcake or mop-up duty), I could see him eventually eclipsing Laviano -- there's no question he's got the higher upside.
However once Rettig has had some meaningful snaps of his own (cupcake or mop-up duty), I could see him eventually eclipsing Laviano -- there's no question he's got the higher upside.
My gut tells me it's going to be Laviano. I'll be surprised if Rettig wins the job. I believe that Flood has a comfort level with Laviano the way he did with Nova.
Could Rettig be another HS phenom that doesn't develop in college ? People talk about how he competed at LSU but he also washed out there, so there's no indication of success for him post HS.
IF he does it will because of his familiarity with the program/offense, but not because of his skill set.
"washed out" ? No I don't think so. He was a freshman first of all, hard to "wash out" as a true frosh. He transferred because LSU went to a different Offensive Coordinator, who preferred a running QB, i.e., Spread Offense. Rettig is a pocket passer.
I certainly hope that this does not factor into Flood's choice here. I hope it doesn't stop him from developing a young QB because he knows he got Russo coming in. Make Russo win the job... he can do it.. right?
Who is Ralph Friedman? I hope he listens to Ralph Friedgen.
I think Flood's issue is that he wants to distinguish himself from Schiano.. who used the doghouse a bit too much and switched QBs.. even for the wildcat.. way too often. imho, Flood is reacting to Schiano's mistakes with his own mistakes.. he went too far the other way.
The thing about the "looking over the shoulder" thing.. you should be able to pull a QB when he's having a bad day or to build confidence and experience in a backup, without that staring QB losing his mojo. You shouldn't have to coddle your starting QB. If having to actually compete for the job or benching him when he is playing really badly messes him up.. so be it.. he was not the guy you want leading your team.. find another QB. Let all the backups know that their time in practice really matters because they might actually get to play.
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Anyone proclaiming who has more upside is not someone I would want coaching my team. Throw away the star rankings and the better player plays.
I'm predicting Laviano.
I'm predicting Laviano.
Laviano actually has a very nice skill set and was highly rated himself coming out of hs.
Yes, he can run a little more than some other guys but he is definitely a throwing QB.
Rettig played in a spread attack in hs and was hardly ever under center, so it takes time to get adjusted. I predict both will see time this year.
First time in a while that we have had two talented kids battling - good sign we are building depth (especially with younger talented kids coming in over the next couple years)
Yes, he can run a little more than some other guys but he is definitely a throwing QB.
Rettig played in a spread attack in hs and was hardly ever under center, so it takes time to get adjusted. I predict both will see time this year.
First time in a while that we have had two talented kids battling - good sign we are building depth (especially with younger talented kids coming in over the next couple years)
Changed from Rettig to Laviano...
After open practice I felt Laviano was clicking better with receivers.
After open practice I felt Laviano was clicking better with receivers.
Agree totally. Leaving Nova in for the Kent game was a mistake. Could have easily let the backups try, and insisted Nova was the starter and was pulled because he was having a bad day.
I just think that now that we have uprgraded the QB position depth wise, and we have to do a better job of developing them. The rebuttal used to be "there is nobody else." Well, I saw Rescigno and Dare on saturday and they are not scrubs. I understand there are limited reps and playing time, but there are opportunities out there.
Let's see what happens with Norfolk St. I think the Starter should be out by halftime. I know Flood wants to give inexperienced starter the reps, but why risk injury when there is a perfect opportunity to get others some game experience.
Talking about Russo in 2016 has little to do with this season. Looks like Laviano to me with Rettig getting some limited time in the first two games.
Not to pick on you, but this expression has to be one of the dumber ones that gets repeated all the time. It always depends on the circumstances. If none of your QB's are any good, you have none. If you have Andrew Luck and Aaron Rodgers on the same team, I would be pretty comfortable saying you have 2, not none. I'm also pretty comfortable saying that OSU had three last year.
I agree with everyone questioning why our current (and former) coach keeps starting QBs in game situations when the back ups could have gotten some reps. But it's not just us. Last year late in the game, up by many many points, Dantonio not only still had his starter in he had the kid run a quarterback dive. Seems like asking to get the kid hurt and I don't think their QB depth was OSU like.
Earlier someone said "If you have 2 quarterbacks, you have none." Well, tell that to OSU that has 3 and needs to move one to get him o the field. I have no problem with a platoon system if they are both really equal at the start of the season.
First, you redshirt the new QB. That means Russo, as a redshirt Freshman, would be competing with 2 Seniors (Laviano or Rettig), plus a hopefully redshirt Sophomore Dare, for pecking order.
Would it not be great to have a redshirt Junior (Dare) and a redshirt Sophomore (Russo) competing to succeed Laviano/Rettig, in 2018?
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And what are we going to do with all these guys when our Elete 11 QB arrives next year ?
Actually developing Laviano and Rettig this season will be a must in order not to rush that Elite 11 QB next year.
Russo would have a chance to either red-shirt or provide depth his freshman year when Chris and Hayden will be juniors.
When Anthony's a RS freshman or true Soph will be the time to have him challenge for the starting QB spot or as a back-up to whoever id the starting QB when Laviano and Rettig are 5th year seniors.
But don't count Dare out of the mix, when talking about the future RU starting QB.
I wouldn't be surprised if Michael was red-shirted this season. like Giovanni was last year and we shouldn't count
Rescigno out of next years QB sweepstakes either.
Rutgers looks like it has plenty of quality depth at the QB position ( this season) and all are legitimate contenders for next season's starting QB position .
And what are we going to do with all these guys when our Elete 11 QB arrives next year ?
Actually developing Laviano and Rettig this season will be a must in order not to rush that Elite 11 QB next year.
Russo would have a chance to either red-shirt or provide depth his freshman year when Chris and Hayden will be juniors.
When Anthony's a RS freshman or true Soph will be the time to have him challenge for the starting QB spot or as a back-up to whoever id the starting QB when Laviano and Rettig are 5th year seniors.
But don't count Dare out of the mix, when talking about the future RU starting QB.
I wouldn't be surprised if Michael was red-shirted this season. like Giovanni was last year and we shouldn't count
Rescigno out of next years QB sweepstakes either.
Rutgers looks like it has plenty of quality depth at the QB position ( this season) and all are legitimate contenders for next season's starting QB position .
See, that's the problem(as I see it), I think Flood knew which QB he was going to select on Friday of last week, but then Saturday and today happened. Rettig became the QB we all thought he would become, or at the very least....looks as good as Laviano, with more of an upside. So, Flood is back to square one, who will he annoint? This is why, he no longer wants to stay within the 7 to 10 day time frame. IMHO
Yeah I think he waits another scrimmage to make the call. I can't blame him really. I'm glad that Rettig is coming around. Competition is good.
Aren't there only 3 scrimmages? If so, whoever is in the lead should get the majority of snaps. Neither guy has a lot of experience. You've got to do everything to get 1 ready.
Aren't there only 3 scrimmages? If so, whoever is in the lead should get the majority of snaps. Neither guy has a lot of experience. You've got to do everything to get 1 ready.
Having, hopefully, a cupcake to start the season is a tremendous opportunity to actually use both to see how they react to real game conditions. This program has to do a better job of developing a real second string QB than in the past.
If the game goes well, bring a lot of guys in to play the second half.
If the game goes well, bring a lot of guys in to play the second half.
Guys, you can not put ANY stock in the way Laviano looked when he came in to games last year.
Due to lack of experience, he had his hands full just trying to take the snap from center. His head was clearly spinning.
Here's the thing. Rettig would not have looked any better if he had been thrown into the same situation. But because we only saw Laviano and we didn't see Rettig, we already have people saying "Oh, I didn't like what I saw so he's no good. Rettig should be the starter". I mean, seriously? You can be sure that people would be saying the same thing about Rettig right now if he had been put into that situation.
From what I saw in the spring, Laviano was much more accurate and comfortable looking than Rettig. Perhaps Rettig will get more comfortable in the offense and become the starter but early indications from camp are that Laviano continues to look much more ready to be the starter. Having a strong arm like Rettig is great. But if you're not recognizing the open receiver and/or you're throwing the ball over his head when you do, it's not of much help.
I'd be shocked if Laviano is not the starter this year.
Due to lack of experience, he had his hands full just trying to take the snap from center. His head was clearly spinning.
Here's the thing. Rettig would not have looked any better if he had been thrown into the same situation. But because we only saw Laviano and we didn't see Rettig, we already have people saying "Oh, I didn't like what I saw so he's no good. Rettig should be the starter". I mean, seriously? You can be sure that people would be saying the same thing about Rettig right now if he had been put into that situation.
From what I saw in the spring, Laviano was much more accurate and comfortable looking than Rettig. Perhaps Rettig will get more comfortable in the offense and become the starter but early indications from camp are that Laviano continues to look much more ready to be the starter. Having a strong arm like Rettig is great. But if you're not recognizing the open receiver and/or you're throwing the ball over his head when you do, it's not of much help.
I'd be shocked if Laviano is not the starter this year.
