So what do y'all think? Will cutoffs go higher? remain the same? or lower a bit for each lot... I'm thinking they have to lower a bit without the inflated bonuses that were in place last year...
Priority point cutoffs...
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Let's hope Ash can get the Team off to a fast start and show improvement in the early part of the season. This will get the casual fan more interested in RU football again and create more single game ticket sales. Generate more season ticket sales as we move into the 2017 season.
Overall sales may be down, but I doubt anything (prices, point levels, food, drinks, etc) ever goes down again. They'll keep it artificially high if anything. My two cents.
But if they did undersell lots last year.. there's no way they can artificially keep the point cutoffs inflated unless they are going to continue to undersell lots
Remember you have to first donate the minimum amount for a lot before priority points mean anything.
The donation minimums for the lots are very low. Just paying the seat donations can get you in the majority of lots. I'm interested where the priority point lot cutoffs will be this year.
Bonus points for buying bowl tickets, bonus points for renewing by a certain date, etc.
Agree i can't see them actually lowering the cutoffs across the board. I think they'll stay pretty much the same with maybe a lot here or there going down.
The explanation of this concept is much simpler than you guys make it out to be. The number of priority points held by the last person assigned to the lot becomes the "cutoff". If we're to believe that they're adding more spaces to the Blue and Silver lots then the cutoffs for those lots will go down.
Priority point totals should be lower across the board, this year, because as has been noted there are not "bonus points" in this year's calculation for things like bowl tickets and early renewal. There is a bonus point allocation for longevity that's new the the mix, but I don't see that having a huge effect on the math. Not many of us are in the 5+ bonus realm.
I guess we'll see. No complaints if they go down across the board from me. I think the bonus points from last year will be offset a bit by people making donations toward the building campaign.
Ahhh, bonus points - was wondering if people were trying to factor in the economy and annual bonuses, somehow. Yeah, could see the cut-offs go down a little.
I can't quite figure out how this works. It seems that everyone will have the "opportunity" to be on Busch but you still have to meet the minimum donation. I think people are thinking they will be able to upgrade their lot but I'm not sure they can unless they pay the minimum donation. I can't reconcile the "fill the lot up and that sets the priority point limit" (paraphrased, maybe incorrectly) with the minimum donation. The way I read it, if you don't meet the minimum lot donation you aren't getting into the lot. So if people don't pony up for yellow, for example, it will still only include those who meet the minimum donation, right? Seemingly the lots could be below capacity?
I don't think they were that silly but maybe that's because I participated in both the bowl tickets and early renewal and was rewarded and remained in my same lot.
They didn't increase donations and made the point system a little skewed. Also it seemed like anyone who didn't participate got annoyed when they got bumped down a lot or two.
So probly better that they did so away with them.
and this could be why the blue lot had so many empties..you needed $500 in donations to get in that lot so theoretically people could have had more than the 31 or was it 34 cut off but failed to reach the donations level. I think too many people here think that alot of people are donating but beyond the diehard hardcore fans, they really arent
so yeah I see another situation resulting in empty yellow and blue spaces from peope failing to reach donation level even if their priority points put them in those lots
Correct and to add a detail, in order to get X passes in your desired lot, you have to: i) purchase a minimum number of season tickets relative to those X passes, ii) donate a minimum amount associated with those X passes, and iii) have enough priority points to be in your lot of choice. The website has a nice example:
Example: In order to be eligible to purchase 2 Scarlet Lot priority parking passes a season ticket holder must purchase at least 5 season tickets, donate a minimum of $2,500 to R Fund, and possess the required amount of Priority Points. Priority Points requirements vary each year for each lot, depending on the demand, and the Priority Points totals for other R Fund donors. Refer to the chart below for eligibility requirements per lot.
http://www.scarletknights.com/devel...m=1083726&hq_l=5&hq_v=00ec86f031#.VxQwmP7rtnK
So, you start off by looking at how many passes you want in which lot and work from there. For example, we want 3 yellow lot passes and to get them we need to have at least 9 season tickets, we need to donate at least $2000 to R Fund, and we need to have 71 priority points, if last year's cut-offs apply this year.
We have 15 season tickets and have about 80 priority points, so we're actually eligible for 4 yellow lot passes, but we'd need to donate $3000 for that - we get $2250 (from the 15 seat licenses at $150 each) vs. the $2000 minimum for 3 yellow lot passes, but: a) we don't need more than 3 passes and b) I don't like donating more than the minimum to athletics I need to get my passes, since my company doesn't match athletic donations - the rest of my donations to RU go to the University Foundation and to my old department (chem eng'g), where they get matched.
it does get confusing....... your example of 9 season tickets with 3 parking passes needed is exactly my situation....in order to park in the green lot
our donation requirement is $3,000......if we wanted 3 yellow passes it would be $2,000.... we have been in the green lot for about 5 years
the required donation for the scarlet lot jumps to $10,000 for 3 passes, and my group would not pony up that amount...
as far as priority points, I have about 30 over the scarlet lot requirement, so that would not have been a problem..... a lot of my priority points come from longevity for both football and basketball season tickets
so, in order to get the lot you want, you have to satisfy the priority point total, the athletic gift total, and the charge for the lot parking.... in my case we come up short on the $10,000 donation for scarlet.
priority points required ( last years figures, may go up or down a bit this year)
Scarlet 121
Scarlet H/C 54
Green 92
Yellow 71
Blue 44
Purple 34
White H/C 36
Black 26
Silver 20
Light Blue 15
Tan 14
RAC 13
athletic gift for parking requirements: ( these amounts are not changed this year)
our donation requirement is $3,000......if we wanted 3 yellow passes it would be $2,000.... we have been in the green lot for about 5 years
the required donation for the scarlet lot jumps to $10,000 for 3 passes, and my group would not pony up that amount...
as far as priority points, I have about 30 over the scarlet lot requirement, so that would not have been a problem..... a lot of my priority points come from longevity for both football and basketball season tickets
so, in order to get the lot you want, you have to satisfy the priority point total, the athletic gift total, and the charge for the lot parking.... in my case we come up short on the $10,000 donation for scarlet.
priority points required ( last years figures, may go up or down a bit this year)
Scarlet 121
Scarlet H/C 54
Green 92
Yellow 71
Blue 44
Purple 34
White H/C 36
Black 26
Silver 20
Light Blue 15
Tan 14
RAC 13
athletic gift for parking requirements: ( these amounts are not changed this year)
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Surprised you feel that way. A young graduate that was smart enough to game the system for his own benefit.
Why the huge jump from $2500 for 2 scarlet passes to $10,000 for 3 scarlet passes? Seems way out of whack with jumps in any other lot - it's the only jump that is more than double the cost of the previous number of passes in any lot. I've also never understood the appeal of scarlet - I think I'd pay more for yellow straight up vs. scarlet - I love being on the grass, I guess.
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I hear ya!.... I would have thought the gift amount difference between green and scarlet would be about 2 or 3 thousand, or a total of 5 or 6 thousand for 3 passes..... but as you can see, it becomes $10,000 for 3 passes.
the table I posted for the gift amounts are the same as last year, and possibly the year before also, not sure....
edit:.... and I agree that the yellow is a great lot and would have been happy to be in that one...the school moved me to green from the yellow about 5 years ago, and most of my group want to stay in the green now
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They need to work on making it more confusing and complicated. And keep changing it every year too.
That way I can have my accountant try and figure it out after he spends months sifting though the IRS chaos.
Oh that's right they already do that. And then give you the wrong passes because they can't even figure out their own system.
That way I can have my accountant try and figure it out after he spends months sifting though the IRS chaos.
Oh that's right they already do that. And then give you the wrong passes because they can't even figure out their own system.
Well it would be foolish not to have done it. It was still a silly policy though, getting priority points at fire sale prices.
Except that's not what happened last year.
I know several people, including myself, who exceeded the minimum donation for a lot but were bumped to a different lot because they wound up a few priority points short of the cutoff for that lot. Then you see that Yellow never was full and 1/3 of Blue was actually roped off all season. The cutoff for these lots was artificially high because RU pretended the lots were smaller than they are and issued fewer passes than in the past. This caused a trickle-down effect that ultimately led to some season ticket holders being issued RAC parking.
Yellow actually had 25-30 cars in it each week that belonged to parking staff (including staff that worked in other lots). I photographed this. The parking staff should be parking remotely (e.g. at the RAC or the EMS lot in Johnson Park) and transported to/from the lot they work in by a shuttle van. Not displacing people who donate money to hopefully secure the lot of their choice.
Yellow lot not being full doesn't necessarily mean that less passes were issued - it's possible people with yellow lot passes simply didn't show up (e.g., there were a few games we only used 2 of ours instead of 3). However, if the staff were parking in yellow, that needs to stop, as you said. You should let the athletic department know, if you haven't already.
A few people have mentioned this, so want to comment on the Yellow Lot. Except for 2 games, the Yellow Lot was never more than half full by game time. A couple of those games, it wasn't even a quarter full. What a frigging waste!
That's another issue.
They should be scanning AND TRACKING parking pass usage. Anyone who is issued a pass that is not used (scanned) at a minimum of 50% of the games should not be eligible to receive that pass the next year. If you were issued 3 yellow passes and used two for 100% of games, but one was only scanned at 40% of the games, then this year, you should not be issued more than two yellow passes (your third would be capped at blue).
If the next year the blue pass was not scanned at 50% of games, then the following year it would be capped at Purple and so on. This would release passes held by people who never attend to those that do.
If the parking staff is parking in yellow, i am sure the atletic dept. is well aware. They are reducing the available spots in the better lots to drive up prices. Their goal is not to get as many fans into the good lots as possible. Its to maximize revenue. So by driving prices up, all the fans who want those spots will now give more. Its a rigged game. I'm not sure why people can't see this.
That is why they undersold the blue lot. They want to drive prices up. As more people start hitting the thresholds, they will give more passes out for those lots, which will gradually fill the lots in. I will be amazed if priority point levels go down. They may not go up, but they aren't going down short of a MAJOR lag in demand. They would rather just have the number of passes awarded go up and down from year to year.
The school could care less if you use the passes. They want you to PAY for the passes. That's it. Their goal is not to get everyone into the best available lot. You think the Giants or Yankees care if you buy a luxury box and never go to any games?
Cabbagehead - You may be correct, but if so then the school will get less money in the end. Some people will stop donating to try to get better parking if a rigged market makes that impossible, or nearly so. We already see some posters here saying they are dropping season parking. A fair, market-driven system would result in more income in the end.
I agree their goal is to maximize revenue, but it's not clear to me that the strategy you discussed does that. For example, I'd rather have 1000 people contributing $2000 each ($2.0 MM) than have 800 people contributing $2300 each ($1.84 MM). Of course, I'd also rather have 900 people contributing $2300 each ($2.07 MM). I guess it could always be a mulit-year process where more and more come on line to pay the higher prices, but there's no guarantee on that.
You realize how silly this is, don't you? All they care about is getting the revenue and they got my money. They have no interest in developing a scanning/tracking system and some insanely complicated penalty system, both of which would cost time and money to implement.
I actually look for this stuff and I never noticed the lot being less than half full and most games it looked 75-100% full to me at game time. I do agree it's a waste to not sell 100% of the spots we can sell in any lot (if we're doing that - not convinced we are), but if it's just people not showing up, RU got the revenue and the fault in people not showing would mostly be the crappy product on the field. Many of us speculating on many things here - I wonder if there's anyone who actually knows the real deal...
But you are kind of missing the point. It wasn't a waste because it WAS packed for two games which means the passes were sold for the whole season. The team sucked and people chose not to come to the games doesn't change the fact that RU made it's money. That's like saying the seats behind home plate at Yankee Stadium are a waste because nobody sits there. Yankees don't care because they sold them...can't make the corporations use them. Last season, I had 4 yellow passes and at least 2 or 3 went to waste every game.
No.
You know as well as I do that Ath Dev has a filing cabinet drawer full of parking passes.
