Question for uber drivers
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That also depends on the venue. 2 of my sons work for a catering hall, and they are paid a relatively good hourly wage (~$12 to $14 per hour). They will only tip if a guest (not the person who books/pays for the event) gives a tip.
IDK if this venue adds on a gratuity (hopefully they don't, since it isn't passed on directly to the service staff). As a patron you might not know.
I just looked this up earlier today and found the answer on Google.
Go onto the app on your phone.
Click on the 3 bars in the upper left corner.
Click on Help
Click on Account
About the 8th item down is "I'd like to know my rating". Click on that
Then click on Submit and you will get your rating.
Question I have for uber drivers in North Jersey:
Is it even worth it to drive with the cuts in rates and gas inching upward? Where is that point when it isn't worthwhile?
My wife was a driver for a short period of time, but insurance concerns made her stop. As an example, she got a fair from Bergen County to LBI, then didn't want to take another fare in the area in case it took her further out of the way home. If she doesn't have a fare, she's not covered by Uber's insurance and we weren't sure if our insurance would look kindly on a claim between Uber fares. So we got out. The money was decent but of course it would have aged our car a lot faster. For part time work, we didn't want our car insurance to go up to cover commercial driving.
Is it even worth it to drive with the cuts in rates and gas inching upward? Where is that point when it isn't worthwhile?
My wife was a driver for a short period of time, but insurance concerns made her stop. As an example, she got a fair from Bergen County to LBI, then didn't want to take another fare in the area in case it took her further out of the way home. If she doesn't have a fare, she's not covered by Uber's insurance and we weren't sure if our insurance would look kindly on a claim between Uber fares. So we got out. The money was decent but of course it would have aged our car a lot faster. For part time work, we didn't want our car insurance to go up to cover commercial driving.
It should be on the catering contract. I recently signed a catering contract for a meeting my company is having. The contract specifically states that X% is distributed to the servers, bussers, and bartenders assigned to the event.
Thanks for this... it's odd that they hide it from you if it's a big part of the business model....
and 4.67 stars!?!? WTF! ha
I've taken probably over 100 ubers and have never tipped. I'm young and I don't consider myself cheap, always tip at least 20% at a restaurant if decent/good service, and often find myself leaving tips at places that tips shouldn't be really expected (coffee shops etc).
Uber had pretty much created a culture where tipping isn't really expected and drivers know what they're getting themselves into before hand so I don't see the big deal about not tipping. Also just because gas prices are rising and fare rates are decreasing I should start tipping? Sorry but that doesn't impact what I'm paying for.
Uber had pretty much created a culture where tipping isn't really expected and drivers know what they're getting themselves into before hand so I don't see the big deal about not tipping. Also just because gas prices are rising and fare rates are decreasing I should start tipping? Sorry but that doesn't impact what I'm paying for.
Right which means you're probably a great passenger but about 130 of your drivers only gave you a 4 because you didn't tip. All I was saying (as someone with over 200 trips and a perfect 5.00 rating) is don't expect to have a perfect 5 if you don't tip and there are places/times where having a perfect 5 gets you a ride while the people with 4.5-4.75 are still waiting to get accepted when you get picked up. I am often requesting rides in places where the nearest Uber is 15+ minutes away and there are between 3-10 other people trying to get them too. If you use Uber in the city primarily then it won't make a difference because there's a driver on every block practically.
understand and totally agree with you, but the drop in rates is the reason you are getting crappier cars on the road and more drivers who don't speak english.. hmm, sounds like a cab.
I dont base my ratings on if a driver tips or not but I do know a lot of drivers who will give you 1-3 stars if you dont tip and I know a lot of drivers who will not accept a trip request if the passenger has less than 4 stars for the same reason. As long as there are people willing to accept the lower rates, Uber will be satisfied and so will the customers. I do feel bad for the drivers out there who leased cars to drive based on the $2 a mile rates when they started and are now getting paid 85 cents a mile.
Not expected?Consider how nice it is to receive something,like cash,when you are not expecting it.These people work to earn money. A tip is money. TIP,all of you who are doing your best to rationalize not tipping.
Three types of people in this thread...
1 - Uber Drivers, think you should tip
2 - Old People, not accustomed to change, think you should tip
3 - Everyone Else, including people who use Iber, no tip
1 - Uber Drivers, think you should tip
2 - Old People, not accustomed to change, think you should tip
3 - Everyone Else, including people who use Iber, no tip
Standard IRS business travel reimbursement rate is ~$0.55/mile (which is probably higher than actual costs, but it's the standard), so only getting paid $0.30/mile more than that seems pretty low, i.e.,100 miles in trips would only net $30 and presumably drivers invest close to that mileage without earning any money, e.g., getting back home (I assume one is only paid for the time a customer is in the car).
So if those 100 miles in trips took 2 hours of customer time in the car and maybe 2 hours of travel time without a customer, that's 4 hours total, so one would be making $30/4 hr or $7.50 an hour. I'll admit I might be making some bad assumptions, as I don't know the Uber model well, but at first glance, that seems like not very good compensation.
you are pretty spot on. South Jersey rates are still at $1.65/mile so there is some profit to be made but any lower and I'm out.
The idea behind Uber is that it's cashless and a convenience to the consumer. As a consumer, I'm not expecting to tip.
When Uber drivers are in short supply, the rates will go up.
I don't see how it is.
Even assuming the IRS rate includes a lot of stuff that Uber assumes as costs that the driver would incur even without driving for Uber (like insurance), there are significant costs directly related to mileage driven.
Assuming that the average car cost $20,000 and will last for about 150K miles, during which time the owner will also incur about $4000 in maintenance and repairs, that works out to about 16 cents per mile. And assuming 20 miles per gallon and $2.00 per gallon of gas, that is another 10 cents per mile. So you are up to a 26 cents per mile in costs to operate the car.
Based on your assumptions of 2 hours to drive 100 miles with a fare plus 2 hours to drive 100 miles without a fare, a driver is making $14.75 per hour on an 85 cents per mile rate.
I might adjust your assumptions to 2.5 hours to drive 100 miles with a fare (an average speed of 40 mph versus your assumption of 50 mph), and assume that the driver will only have to drive halfway back to the origin on average to get the next fare, which means another 1.5 hours to drive 50 miles. But that works out to the same 4 hours to get 100 miles paid, yielding the same $14.75 per hour.
The average car costs more than $20K (at least $25K) and most cars will incur a lot more than $4K in repairs and maintenance over 150K miles (tires, alone would likely be at least $2K). And even if your numbers are right, while $15/hour might work for some people, that's only $30K per year in net pay, roughly, before taxes, which is way less than most would think you could make with Uber.
I also don't get why rates would be a lot less in the North Jersey/NYC area, where almost everything else is more expensive. Is it really just that there are that many more drivers (supply and demand)?
Using upstreams math and only taking 50% of the $.80 differential between south Jersey and North Jersey you get close to $35 per hour after expenses in South Jersey.
No need to tip. There are plenty of people that will drive for that rate.
No need to tip. There are plenty of people that will drive for that rate.
No, but there are more riders. Or it's an artificially low price to drive competition out of the market.
In NYC, surge pricing can really up the price which draws in drivers. But Saturday evenings there are long periods of surge pricing. Drivers are making much more than the non-surge non-peak periods.
I have not the need to get a driving reimbursement for decades (work in Manhattan) but I remember feeling like I was making money when I was driving a cheap fuel efficient car and expensing the cost back at the IRS rate. The nice thing about Uber, even if you end up making $15/hour, is that you control when you work. Older people like the somewhat social aspect of it.
Yeah, at $35/hour net income, I'd highly consider doing this after retirement in 2-3 years. I love to drive, I enjoy seeing new places, I like (most) people, and I enjoy all kinds of music (and could supply it, easily, and I assume most people like to hear some sort of music they like) and some extra cash would be a nice bonus. And Kate Beckinsale uses Uber, so I'd have a shot, lol. At $20/hour, no way.
With all due respect,how inconvenient is it to put a couple of 10s /20s in your pocket? Try it. Will make you feel good.knowing that you did a nice thing for someone.These people are not working as a hobby.
The rates rarely surge here in south Jersey but if I tally up the hours I spend actually in the car driving (I usually turn the app on while I'm sitting at home and wait) I have been averaging about $30 an hour the last 4-5 months. Very good for a part time job that I can do whenever I choose. I do enjoy the social aspect of it, as previously stated, I have met some very interesting people. And for RU #s, I have also been introduced to some great music, I supply an aux cord and let the riders choose their own music.
As you previously pointed out, the 26 cents per mile cost I estimated previously is a low-ball estimate. A few months ago, in a similar thread, I had estimated about 40 cents per mile. This is still much lower than the IRS rate, but several Uber aficionados said that my rate was too high, claiming that drivers can get cheaper cars and save on costs in other ways.
But let's go with 40 cents per mile as a reasonable cost to drive a car. So to earn your $35 per hour (based on your previous assumptions), Uber would need to pay you $1.80 per mile. (If it really costs you 26 cents per mile to drive your car, then Uber would need to pay you $1.64 per mile.)
The $20 per hour, which you say is not worth it, means Uber pays $1.20 per mile. Once you are below that, you are into cabbie salaries, which means Uber is mostly going to attract the same caliber driver as cab companies. But you are relying on the Uber-driver to maintain the vehicle, instead of a cab company. And if the Uber-driver isn't making a decent wage, they may skimp on required maintenance, which could be a safety issue. Although Uber inspects vehicles, it seems that inspections are only required once per year (compared to three times per year for NYC taxicabs). That is a long time for safety issues to go unresolved.
If I were a regular Uber passenger, I would be concerned about Uber's erosion of driver compensation.
I already said I would pay more to get/keep better drivers on the road but the people who should be concerned are the same people making the decisions to lower the rates. Other services have popped up and Uber has dropped rates in an attempt to keep/strengthen its market share, and its them with the billions invested that need to worry about the business getting beat up with poor drivers. They have plans well beyond "random guy driving another random guy 10 miles for $10" and it's going to be a long time before their self-driving fleet is on the road. They need to bridge that gap.
I think it's really hard for Uber driver to determine if they really do well in terms of compensation since they can not calculate the real wear and tear on their car until they need to buy another car. Including the calculation for gas and insurance, you need an accountant. That's why it's a part time job especially when they really see the cost.
I considered driving to keep me busy but too lazy for the $10 hour you make net of expenses. Glad I saved a lot for retirement, retired at 54. I rather spend my time posting on the Rutgers board.
It sounds like a lot of retirees are Uber drivers.
It sounds like a lot of retirees are Uber drivers.
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Assuming that the average car cost $20,000 and will last for about 150K miles, during which time the owner will also incur about $4000 in maintenance and repairs, that works out to about 16 cents per mile. And assuming 20 miles per gallon and $2.00 per gallon of gas, that is another 10 cents per mile. So you are up to a 26 cents per mile in costs to operate the car.
You are already wrong with the $2.00 a gallon since it's selling at $2.09 where I live. That's not going to stay there very long.
You are already wrong with the $2.00 a gallon since it's selling at $2.09 where I live. That's not going to stay there very long.
Once you leave major metropolitan (NYC, LA, etc.) it's mostly all retires. One guy picked me up in a Mercedes G class. Coolest vehicle I have ever been in. Was a military contractor on leave.... Called it beer money.
Toyota invests in Uber :
http://www.wsj.com/articles/toyota-and-uber-reach-investment-lease-partnership-1464122403
http://www.wsj.com/articles/toyota-and-uber-reach-investment-lease-partnership-1464122403
I don't tip uber drivers. By the time you deal with their BS surge pricing and tips I might as well hire a driver and not have to wait. I got a 10$ cancellation fee on Saturday because the driver couldn't find the restraurant and got lost. How is this my fault?
Email them and they'll refund you. In NYC the cancellation fee gets waived if the driver starts taking longer than originally quoted. Happened to me last night.
I mostly drive Saturday nights from 6PM - 12AM, take home is usually around $180. If I drive Friday and Saturday nights I am averaging over $300 and thats in the winter, its dead where I live. In another month the population of my town will go from 20K to 120K
I drove Friday and Saturday nights, 10pm to 3 or 4am. I would say I took home about $100 each night, without factoring in depreciation. $20 per hour wasn't terrible because it was a lot of fun. Now that rates have dropped further, I think I'm out.
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