Randy Edsall Not Fired-Will Coach Against tOSU

[Knight Shift]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/maryland-edsall-coach-terps-no-1-ohio-state-003534229--ncaaf.html
''Randy Edsall is our head football coach and he'll be on the sidelines Saturday against Ohio State,'' the school said Thursday in a statement.

"I apologize to Randy Edsall and the Rutgers fans for the rumors yesterday that Randy Edsall was fired. Our program is already under enough stress, and our fans take comfort in the fact that Randy Edsall will remain the head coach at Maryland," Julie Herman, the athletic director of Rutgers University said in a statement according to NJ.com.

 

[Shady Side Terp]

He will NOT "remain the head coach at Maryland". He will coach Saturday against Ohio State. Otherwise, he is toast (and thank God to that).

 

[zappaa]

I thought only self loathing Rutgers fans don't fully support their head coach Shady Terp?
You must be a NJ transplant.
Oh yea I forgot, you're allowed to want your head coach out because Maryland has money,
In my mind, Flood has the rest of this year to prove he's our man

 

[Knightmoves]

I thought only self loathing Rutgers fans don't fully support their head coach Shady Terp?
You must be a NJ transplant.
Oh yea I forgot, you're allowed to want your head coach out because Maryland has money,
In my mind, Flood has the rest of this year to prove he's our man

Agree. Edsall's firing during the season will lead to more RU fans calling for Floods ouster sooner rather than later. But keeping with their goal of budget neutrality the Barchi/Hermann team will need to see FB revenues threatened in a major way before deciding to fire the HC.

In fact at MD they were actually seeing FB revenues being threatened recently. Much lower attendance than expected at home games and boosters threatening to withhold donations while Edsall remained as coach were two of the main reasons he will soon be out of College Park. I believe that the same thing will need to happen at RU in order for our Administration to pull the plug on our HC.

 

[Knight Shift]

Agree. Edsall's firing during the season will lead to more RU fans calling for Floods ouster sooner rather than later. But keeping with their goal of budget neutrality the Barchi/Hermann team will need to see FB revenues threatened in a major way before deciding to fire the HC.

In fact at MD they were actually seeing FB revenues being threatened recently. Much lower attendance than expected at home games and boosters threatening to withhold donations while Edsall remained as coach were two of the main reasons he will soon be out of College Park. I believe that the same thing will need to happen at RU in order for our Administration to pull the plug on our HC.

 

[zappaa]

Agree. Edsall's firing during the season will lead to more RU fans calling for Floods ouster sooner rather than later. But keeping with their goal of budget neutrality the Barchi/Hermann team will need to see FB revenues threatened in a major way before deciding to fire the HC.

In fact at MD they were actually seeing FB revenues being threatened recently. Much lower attendance than expected at home games and boosters threatening to withhold donations while Edsall remained as coach were two of the main reasons he will soon be out of College Park. I believe that the same thing will need to happen at RU in order for our Administration to pull the plug on our HC.

There's two ways it can go, we play inspired football that leads to competitive games.
Or we don't and there's 25 thousand in the stands for our home game with Maryland.

 

[Knight Shift]

There's two ways it can go, we play inspired football that leads to competitive games.
Or we don't and there's 25 thousand in the stands for our home game with Maryland.

It will be interesting if that is the scenario. Weren't we in that position 2 years ago with the USF game on Kyle Flood bobblehead night? I recall the stands being pretty empty that night. Wikipedia says attendance was 37,000, but that seems generous. Rumors abound, and hopes were dashed overnight.

 

[zappaa]

It would be a sad commentary if the season played out similar and a win or loss against Maryland would decide KF's fate.

 

[Knight Shift]

It would be a sad commentary if the season played out similar and a win or loss against Maryland would decide KF's fate.

I don't recall it playing out that way. IIRC, a deal was offered, but there was not enough money to pay assistant coaches and for other commitments, and the deal fell apart. That was the rumor at least.

 

[wheezer]

There's two ways it can go, we play inspired football that leads to competitive games.
Or we don't and there's 25 thousand in the stands for our home game with Maryland.

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Agree with the thoughts that floods future here will be determined over the course of the remaining games, and is not a dead man walking...... A few big wins will go a long way.

It seems the situation at Maryland is a typical RU looking situation..... The uncertainty there is worse than here now..... Which is nice for a change.

 

[zappaa]

I don't recall it playing out that way. IIRC, a deal was offered, but there was not enough money to pay assistant coaches and for other commitments, and the deal fell apart. That was the rumor at least.

Bottom line is Flood would have been gone had he lost that game...IMO

 

[Knight Shift]

Bottom line is Flood would have been gone had he lost that game...IMO

Another interesting tidbit. Someone who was instrumental in hiring Julie Hermann has seats near our seats. That person did not attend, and the tickets were given to relatives. We were talking during the game, and I mentioned that Flood might be fired, and they were absolutely astonished that this would happen. This indicated to me a sharp divide between message board dwellers and the average fan, even those with season tickets. They are just not on edge about changing coaches as people here are about such things.

 

[zappaa]

I can only tell you I heard quite different from a prominent donor I know.

 

[Scarlet16E]

but, but, but, "Maryland is trying to build a winning program while Rutgers just wants to save money"

 

[Knight Shift]

Maybe they would have dug deeper. . . . . .
That damn bobble head they gave out that night brought an a lot of bad luck. My office was destroyed by fire about a month after that game, and then got a major health scare a few months later. That bobble head is like the tiki doll when the Brady Bunch went to Hawaii.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Another interesting tidbit. Someone who was instrumental in hiring Julie Hermann has seats near our seats. That person did not attend, and the tickets were given to relatives. We were talking during the game, and I mentioned that Flood might be fired, and they were absolutely astonished that this would happen. This indicated to me a sharp divide between message board dwellers and the average fan, even those with season tickets. They are just not on edge about changing coaches as people here are about such things.

Shift - those were NOT simply message board rumors. Shit, there are people on these boards who brag about how they were personally asked to "donate" to the cause (and were ready, willing, and able to, then a year later became some of Flood's biggest supporters, lol, but to each his own I guess!).

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Maryland is looking real stupid right now. No one should want this for our school. In the college game their is zero reason to fire a coach midseason. The only reason you do it is if there is a scandal and you have no choice.

Also, people who think Julie is "ok" with this situation are way, way off base. You think she doesn't know how annoyed everyone is? You think she doesn't realize her job is tied to the success of the football team?? Now, whether she can do her job and get this thing going in the right direction is another thing...but she is certainly not happy with how this is playing out. And the only information we really have is that she tried to get him out once before.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Maryland is looking real stupid right now. No one should want this for our school. In the college game their is zero reason to fire a coach midseason. The only reason you do it is if there is a scandal and you have no choice.

Also, people who think Julie is "ok" with this situation are way, way off base. You think she doesn't know how annoyed everyone is? You think she doesn't realize her job is tied to the success of the football team?? Now, whether she can do her job and get this thing going in the right direction is another thing...but she is certainly not happy with how this is playing out. And the only information we really have is that she tried to get him out once before.

Disagree wholeheartedly with your 1st point - reasons to fire before season's end have been laid out in other threads - but agree wholeheartedly with the 2nd.

 

[Knight Shift]

Maryland is looking real stupid right now. No one should want this for our school. In the college game their is zero reason to fire a coach midseason. The only reason you do it is if there is a scandal and you have no choice.

Also, people who think Julie is "ok" with this situation are way, way off base. You think she doesn't know how annoyed everyone is? You think she doesn't realize her job is tied to the success of the football team?? Now, whether she can do her job and get this thing going in the right direction is another thing...but she is certainly not happy with how this is playing out. And the only information we really have is that she tried to get him out once before.

Define "everyone."

 

[zappaa]

Define "everyone."

Everyone is anybody you know that doesn't post on these boards and 95% of the people on this board...I'd say 95% of people are annoyed with the state of the program, that gives you licence to say everyone.

 

[LC-88]

Rutgers should give Kevin Plank, Ray Knight, Poppa John or Thurston Howell III an honorary degree to make them an allum. Then ask for a pile of Chip Kelly money.

 

[ru66]

the number of those that actually post on this board is really a small sampling--there are more who read these posts but actually do not post regularly--when you consider the crew who post all the negatives and, they do it constantly, one probably gets a slanted view-- they may have 75000 or more posts but they're still only one loud guy--any RU official basing any decisions on anyone's posting has leadership issues--we really don't know what the real decision makers think--but we do know influential former and current players, and HS coaches, prominent pastors and charity organizers along with big contributor feel otherwise about flood and the only statements so far from Barchi indicates he feels Flood will "led this team" in the future--so who knows?--but IF RU plays well down the stretch, unless something new and significant gets uncovered, he probably sticks around

 

[RUich]

The one point that seemed to be about Edsall was that the team really didn't support him. If true, that is a pretty tough thing to overcome if you are looking for some form of life in 2015.
It looks as though the situation with Flood is different. He seems to be well liked by the players, at least a majority of them.
I agree that firing a coach this early is pretty drastic in college. This is not the pros where your head could be on the platter every Monday.
Some media outlets have stated that this could well be Randy's last game. Guess we'll see what happens.

 

[tuffer76]

RUich - I was going to say the same thing. All of the reports out of MD are that the players hate him. From what I can gather, Flood's players like him. He, in my opinion, is just not good at his job.

If the school didn't fire Flood after the email/cloak-and-dagger professor stuff, then I don't think they're going to fire him mid-season unless more scandal comes about (or more damning info from the already existing troubles). I believe that he needs to outperform his past in order to keep his job and that he'll be given the opportunity to do so.

 

[zappaa]

the number of those that actually post on this board is really a small sampling--there are more who read these posts but actually do not post regularly--when you consider the crew who post all the negatives and, they do it constantly, one probably gets a slanted view-- they may have 75000 or more posts but they're still only one loud guy--any RU official basing any decisions on anyone's posting has leadership issues--we really don't know what the real decision makers think--but we do know influential former and current players, and HS coaches, prominent pastors and charity organizers along with big contributor feel otherwise about flood and the only statements so far from Barchi indicates he feels Flood will "led this team" in the future--so who knows?--but IF RU plays well down the stretch, unless something new and significant gets uncovered, he probably sticks around

95% of people who have any opinion about Rutgers football are annoyed...you can bet on that.
Flood is a non entity amongst casual fans, most fans have no opinion of him...he's an empty suit perception wise.

 

[SHUSource]

Rutgers should give ... Thurston Howell III an honorary degree to make [him] an alum. Then ask for a pile of Chip Kelly money.

He already has a pretty strong connection to Rutgers, no?

 

[AreYouNUTS]

the number of those that actually post on this board is really a small sampling--there are more who read these posts but actually do not post regularly--when you consider the crew who post all the negatives and, they do it constantly, one probably gets a slanted view-- they may have 75000 or more posts but they're still only one loud guy--any RU official basing any decisions on anyone's posting has leadership issues--we really don't know what the real decision makers think--but we do know influential former and current players, and HS coaches, prominent pastors and charity organizers along with big contributor feel otherwise about flood and the only statements so far from Barchi indicates he feels Flood will "led this team" in the future--so who knows?--but IF RU plays well down the stretch, unless something new and significant gets uncovered, he probably sticks around

I'm speechless, seriously, you got it straight buddy! Pass some of the 'Ludes over this way 66!

Actually, you got one thing right: this board IS a "small sampling," I've said it for years. That being said, if you really think those OFF the boards (the "general public"), like Flood more than those on the boards, you're so far out of touch with reality I'm not really sure what to say. It is - without question - the complete opposite.

 

[garyrc70]

There's two ways it can go, we play inspired football that leads to competitive games.
Or we don't and there's 25 thousand in the stands for our home game with Maryland.

I think more like 15,000 if both teams have losing records and no bowl chances...

 

[Mike from MD]

Edsall was a WTF hire to many Maryland boosters and former players who were quite fond of Freidgen. He was not a popular hire. Very surprised when Maryland gave Edsall a 3-year contract extension last June that locks him up through 2019.

 

[RUPete]

Edsall was a WTF hire to many Maryland boosters and former players who were quite fond of Freidgen. He was not a popular hire. Very surprised when Maryland gave Edsall a 3-year contract extension last June that locks him up through 2019.

You're almost stuck having to do things like that though to keep recruiting moving along. The key is how they structure the buyout. But schools are between a rock and a hard place when it comes to these contracts.

 

[Knightmoves]

Edsall was a WTF hire to many Maryland boosters and former players who were quite fond of Freidgen. He was not a popular hire. Very surprised when Maryland gave Edsall a 3-year contract extension last June that locks him up through 2019.

As I recall the reason that MD did not renew the Fridge as HC was for a few reasons. Attendance was falling off, a number of important boosters were unhappy, there were quite a few bad apples among the players and Fridge tried to squeeze the new AD for a contract extension.

MD's FB problems are similar to RU's problems. Except MD fans stop going to the games when they're unhappy while RU fans continue to load up the tailgate for the next home game. These Administrators pay attention to a few important factors in my opinion: Declining attendance and ticket sales, and when boosters threaten to stop funding the program. I believe that is what needs to happen for RU to initiate a coaching change.

As long as the stadium and parking lots are mostly filled I don't see RU making a change. They think they can ride the gravy train of B1G FB revenues while not investing properly in the FB program. It's only when their customers speak with their wallets will Barchi/Hermann get serious about investing in the FB program.

 

[Wolv RU]

As I recall the reason that MD did not renew the Fridge as HC was for a few reasons. Attendance was falling off, a number of important boosters were unhappy, there were quite a few bad apples among the players and Fridge tried to squeeze the new AD for a contract extension.

MD's FB problems are similar to RU's problems. Except MD fans stop going to the games when they're unhappy while RU fans continue to load up the tailgate for the next home game. These Administrators pay attention to a few important factors in my opinion: Declining attendance and ticket sales, and when boosters threaten to stop funding the program. I believe that is what needs to happen for RU to initiate a coaching change.

As long as the stadium and parking lots are mostly filled I don't see RU making a change. They think they can ride the gravy train of B1G FB revenues while not investing properly in the FB program. It's only when their customers speak with their wallets will Barchi/Hermann get serious about investing in the FB program.

Oddly enough, one big reason the Fridge had to go when he did was James Franklin. He was due to receive some sort of a buyout if he wasn't made the head coach by a given date. I believe that Friedgen and Franklin departed Maryland at about the same time (end of 2010 season).

 

[RUPete]

Oddly enough, one big reason the Fridge had to go when he did was James Franklin. He was due to receive some sort of a buyout if he wasn't made the head coach by a given date. I believe that Friedgen and Franklin departed Maryland at about the same time (end of 2010 season).

What was the history there? Those two seemed to have a frosty relationship at best. Was Franklin forced upon Friedgen?

 

[Mike from MD]

As long as the stadium and parking lots are mostly filled I don't see RU making a change. They think they can ride the gravy train of B1G FB revenues while not investing properly in the FB program. It's only when their customers speak with their wallets will Barchi/Hermann get serious about investing in the FB program.

You are quite right.

I had the pleasure to meet President Barchi last night at an LA-area alumni function. He highlighted the ongoing efforts to transform Rutgers into a truly great university. Rutgers supports 67,000 students. By comparison, 600 students are engaged in D1 sports. While athletics and achievement are important, it cannot be a key focus of the University at this time. The Athletic Department needs to stand on its own and can only do so through booster support.

Unless there are compelling circumstances, I wouldn't expect any changes for the near future.

 

[ru66]

where did I offer an opinion about what 95% think?

 

[MADHAT1]

Oddly enough, one big reason the Fridge had to go when he did was James Franklin. He was due to receive some sort of a buyout if he wasn't made the head coach by a given date. I believe that Friedgen and Franklin departed Maryland at about the same time (end of 2010 season).

Believe you're right about Franklin supposed to take over, but think Fridge was forced out a year after Franklin left .
edit : you were right about " Friedgen and Franklin departed Maryland at about the same time (end of 2010 season)."
In November of 2010 the Maryland AD announced Ralph would be returning for the 2011 season and Franklin took the Vanderbilt job after that announcement.
Then in December that same AD announced Friedgen wouldn't be returning

 

[Knightmoves]

You are quite right.

I had the pleasure to meet President Barchi last night at an LA-area alumni function. He highlighted the ongoing efforts to transform Rutgers into a truly great university. Rutgers supports 67,000 students. By comparison, 600 students are engaged in D1 sports. While athletics and achievement are important, it cannot be a key focus of the University at this time. The Athletic Department needs to stand on its own and can only do so through booster support.

Unless there are compelling circumstances, I wouldn't expect any changes for the near future.

Mike,

The messaging in your post is spot on and is something that our fans should understand. Barchi is looking out for 67K students, not the 600 in athletics. He wants athletics and their boosters to pay their own way going forward. That is why RU will not borrow against future B1G revenues and why we will not make necessary investments to be competitive in the B1G FB while the subsidy remains high.

It has almost nothing to do with wins, losses and margins of defeat.

 

[RUJohnny99]

I don't recall it playing out that way. IIRC, a deal was offered, but there was not enough money to pay assistant coaches and for other commitments, and the deal fell apart. That was the rumor at least.

Not exactly. Miss State was 5-6 and Mullen was on the verge of getting fired in year 5 of his 6 year contract. His agent was putting out feelers to schools with openings. Allegedly a deal had been reached with Rutgers.

The same day as the USF game, Miss State beat 7-4 Ole Miss in OT in the Egg Bowl & he retained his job & its $2 mm buyout. If he would have been fired, there wouldn't have been a buyout to worry about.

http://www.forwhomthecowbelltolls.c...ies-mississippi-state-bulldogs-fired-hudspeth

 

[derleider]

Disagree wholeheartedly with your 1st point - reasons to fire before season's end have been laid out in other threads - but agree wholeheartedly with the 2nd.

None of them are convincing. Firing a guy midseason at best gives the interim guy a chance to succeed which could put the adminsitration in a tough position (see Flood in 2012 - even if he we

Mike,

The messaging in your post is spot on and is something that our fans should understand. Barchi is looking out for 67K students, not the 600 in athletics. He wants athletics and their boosters to pay their own way going forward. That is why RU will not borrow against future B1G revenues and why we will not make necessary investments to be competitive in the B1G FB while the subsidy remains high.

It has almost nothing to do with wins, losses and margins of defeat.

Its also important to understand that this stance isnt unique to him. It was already in place when he got here. Pernetti was already under orders to try to bring down the deficit before Barchi came into office. The BoG hires him and isnt going to hire someone who is going to run up the athletics deficit. Of course it wont matter - the next president will get to see RU athletics be self-sufficient regardless of investments - its just a matter of whether we can plod through on increased giving between now and then.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

None of them are convincing. Firing a guy midseason at best gives the interim guy a chance to succeed which could put the adminsitration in a tough position (see Flood in 2012 - even if he we
.

That's your opinion. All points are legitimate and many agreed with me. Sorry if you don't.