I kind of agree but at the same time how do you justify leaving players on the court who are playing awful and not at least trying someone else?
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Really missed J. Davis today.
I jumped out of my seat when Simpson hit that shot and then cringed when stonehill's guard took that fall back he was hitting all game for the win, I am sorry for jinx the team saying i have never seen a RU team lose in person....
I jumped out of my seat when Simpson hit that shot and then cringed when stonehill's guard took that fall back he was hitting all game for the win, I am sorry for jinx the team saying i have never seen a RU team lose in person....
I choose to believe that we spent about 5 minutes on game prep and have instead been prepping for Ohio State. And the team accordingly was looking ahead.
I also choose to believe that some of the guys are a little under the weather with all the illness going around since Christmas.
Not sure what else could possibly explain what we just witnessed.
I also choose to believe that some of the guys are a little under the weather with all the illness going around since Christmas.
Not sure what else could possibly explain what we just witnessed.
This team is limited. We all know it. I don’t see it coming from bench guys like Oskar (although I love the guy), Chol (can’t believe he saw the floor today), or even A Will. And none of them are part of the future. So, IMO, we play a tight group and let them work through rough patches, which we’re having already anyway, and maybe in 5-6 games the light finally goes on.
Dylan didn’t sign yet so they aren’t allowed to talk about him. Ace + Lathan signed.
I watch basketball and lots of it beyond RU or the B1G.....unfortunately for RU fans, I don't ever agree with Jerry Carino......he actually is the only person ever who blocked me on Twitter, because I roasted him on this message board and he reached out to me and wanted me to retract my statement (which of course I didn't, LMAO)......
BUT......he is actually right today.
Why is he right???
Because basketball is about players who are actually WILLING to take shots.....and fans here are hilarious in looking at shooting percentages, instead of asking yourself, who ACTUALLY wants to take tough shots??
Is Cliff a go to offensive player.....?? No, so that's one player out of the equation.....
Is it Noah Fernandes this year or Paul Mulcahy last year, who was willing to "take over" and take shots, when no one else wanted to?? No......
Is it Aundre Hyatt ....my answer is YES, there isn't a shot, Hyatt is afraid of taking and he's taking shots, because others aren't.
I was also told for months, that Mag would increase the rebounding, the defense and RU wasn't the same without him....he is actually healthy, playing without any noticeable effects from a serious injury.....BUT, is he the player who is asking for the ball in the low-post, or is he a go to scorer??? NO......
So, I am down to 2 players out of 5 on the court, who are actually not scared to take over the ball and try and score. So, for today, Simpson actually pulled the trigger and salvaged a truly epic and embarrassing loss......and yet, I see mentions of "shooting percentages ".....LMAO
Well, last year, when RU cratered down the stretch, we didn't see Mulcahy, or Spencer from the backcourt, go demand the basketball, attempt to go 1 on 1 or demand the ball as seniors, to go score, when the team struggled badly.
Yet, Simpson, kept shooting and bailed out a team, who has lost its confidence, without (dare I say ) a freshman in JMike Davis??
The level of scary stuff or lack of awareness unfortunately in this thread is mind blowing......if I left it up to the fair-weather fans here, too worried about their percentages (like Spencer and Mulcahy), we would have never seen Simpson take that key, 3 pointer.
And again, I want to make sure I am clear here. I am not signing off on Simpson as some sort of savior or eventual 2nd or 3rd team all B1G caliber player.....but who else are you guys giving thr ball too.....???
Oskar, who fans kept parroting should play over Hyatt, based on a handful of games last year??
Will it be Antonio Chol.....Woolfolk.....Mag......really...??
Who else are we giving the ball to, who can create their own shot??
And Simpson can play better than he has these last few games, but 14 PTS, is still 14 PTS.....especially when you only get to 60......
Carry on my friends, carry on.....🤣🤣
BUT......he is actually right today.
Why is he right???
Because basketball is about players who are actually WILLING to take shots.....and fans here are hilarious in looking at shooting percentages, instead of asking yourself, who ACTUALLY wants to take tough shots??
Is Cliff a go to offensive player.....?? No, so that's one player out of the equation.....
Is it Noah Fernandes this year or Paul Mulcahy last year, who was willing to "take over" and take shots, when no one else wanted to?? No......
Is it Aundre Hyatt ....my answer is YES, there isn't a shot, Hyatt is afraid of taking and he's taking shots, because others aren't.
I was also told for months, that Mag would increase the rebounding, the defense and RU wasn't the same without him....he is actually healthy, playing without any noticeable effects from a serious injury.....BUT, is he the player who is asking for the ball in the low-post, or is he a go to scorer??? NO......
So, I am down to 2 players out of 5 on the court, who are actually not scared to take over the ball and try and score. So, for today, Simpson actually pulled the trigger and salvaged a truly epic and embarrassing loss......and yet, I see mentions of "shooting percentages ".....LMAO
Well, last year, when RU cratered down the stretch, we didn't see Mulcahy, or Spencer from the backcourt, go demand the basketball, attempt to go 1 on 1 or demand the ball as seniors, to go score, when the team struggled badly.
Yet, Simpson, kept shooting and bailed out a team, who has lost its confidence, without (dare I say ) a freshman in JMike Davis??
The level of scary stuff or lack of awareness unfortunately in this thread is mind blowing......if I left it up to the fair-weather fans here, too worried about their percentages (like Spencer and Mulcahy), we would have never seen Simpson take that key, 3 pointer.
And again, I want to make sure I am clear here. I am not signing off on Simpson as some sort of savior or eventual 2nd or 3rd team all B1G caliber player.....but who else are you guys giving thr ball too.....???
Oskar, who fans kept parroting should play over Hyatt, based on a handful of games last year??
Will it be Antonio Chol.....Woolfolk.....Mag......really...??
Who else are we giving the ball to, who can create their own shot??
And Simpson can play better than he has these last few games, but 14 PTS, is still 14 PTS.....especially when you only get to 60......
Carry on my friends, carry on.....🤣🤣
sorry you said this team was better than last years totally
clearly its not...talent sucks right now and there are no shooters....even worse the effort on this team rivals a fred hill team
who cares...Derek hit a 3 over a high school team while going 3-13 which actually put us in this hole.
Derek isnt the blame here but Jerry had an embarrassing take today.
Ton of blame to go around and its largely on Pikiell for constructing this disaster of a lineup this season. Its the worst since Jordan
Ahhh good ole contrarian NJH, welcome to the party. I didn’t realize a willingness to chuck shots made someone a worthy player. Simpson knocked down a big one and saved an embarrassing loss — tip of the cap, no one’s arguing that. But you cannot look at his body of work this season, or this game — and think it reflects well on him as a player. You mock citing shooting percentages, but do you realize how ATROCIOUS 32% is for a Power 6 guard — not to mention those numbers have come against a weak non-con
I know you just like hearing yourself talk, but my god man…give it up. You were wrong about this team being better than last year’s. Honestly impressive how you managed to work in a diss towards Spencer about him not demanding the ball and taking tough shots — just willingly ignoring his game winners last year, as well as his tenacity / will to win that this team so badly misses
This team is better than last year's team, you are blinded by some very close wins (4 of them by a total of 8 points) that masked or hid a lot of lack of talent.
There's literally no difference between what you are seeing on offense last year vs this year. The only thing you are fooled by, is having Cam Spencer shoot 53% from 3 point range against creampuffs last year.
Ultimately, the games or opponents that matter, show the same lack of offense. And I remain in the path of cutting your losses, with last years team and moving forward towards 2024-25, with players who are expected to help the freshman 2024 class.
Are you still putting all of your eggs into having all of the valuable minutes, gobbled up by Spencer, Mulcahy, Hyatt, Cliff and Mag this year, with no path of development for anyone this year, that's expected to contribute next year??
What is your solution or alternative?? There actually isn't one, if you are honestly looking at Davis, Simpson and Griffiths as if they haven't contributed, when they have.....They're learning and growing on the job.
Funny Carino blocked me too. I ripped him when he mocked Rutgers fans over Schiano. He was so smug when he thought Rutgers wasn’t going to hire Schiano. He mocked the football fans at a hoops game in support of Greg. I called him on it. Quiet when RU wins bowl game.
But credit where credit is due. He’s right on Simpson. Didn’t understand all the bashing.
Quickest player on team. Good D. Steady free throws. Today 6 rebounds and 4 assists and saved us from an embarrassment for the ages. That was one helluva clutch shot. Still just a sophomore. Can’t teach speed. Whole team is shooting poorly.
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Forfeit the rest of the schedule and end this embarrassment of a team. Kids don’t deserve to be on a college team. Who the flock loses at home to a Stonehill. Never even heard of the place. Pike go talk to Schiano about coaching and take winter/spring off
It's not only about willingness to take shots. That's a really dumb comment sorry
Explains why you like Hyatt though. Chol and Jaden Jones are GOATs then
Explains why you like Hyatt though. Chol and Jaden Jones are GOATs then
You have lost your mind, this team is nowhere near last year’s team, and right now is one of the worst Power 6 teams.
First of all, good teams win close games, in fact, it is a hallmark of good teams.
However, good teams do not win close games . . . against STONEHILL!!! Stonehill would probably lose to Don Bosco, and would get smoked by at least 20 against Cooper Flagg’s Monteverde.
This team does literally nothing well. We will scratch out a few Big 10 wins, but will take many more bad beatings, because this team is NOT GOOD.
32%.....that's your argument??? LOL....
I'll ask you again.....who do you see, with the ability to go get their own shot??
Here's the moving the goalposts.....I am actually holding Simpson to a higher standard and believe he can play or shoot better. But at the same time, you are clueless if you see this as any different from last years roster most of the season.
Are you asleep at the wheel??
Here are the 2 to 3 myths that got started last year, took on a life of its own and now I don't see anyone saying anything about them.....eventually, you will listen to what I post and it will register.
A) Myth #1.....Mawot Mag was the reason RU faltered down the stretch and his return would "change the dynamics of how we defend and rebound"...
I am not a math major, but I count 5 rebounds in 2 games. Is the defense for RU better when he plays?? Sure, it's better, but nothing that changes the dynamics on either end of the court.
2) Myth 2.....there needs to be a reduction in Hyatts minutes.....LMAO.....
There is literally one offensive shooter who has an idea what is a good shot or is willing to take tough shots. What I don't see are the (he's a sub 30% 3 point shooter for his career), but still see that debacle of a stat.
Why do I care about what a players shooting percentages are BEFORE, the player plays any games in a RU uniform?? Do I see gradual improved play, year over year??? YES.....do we still see fans lost in this discussion, still refusing to acknowledge that Hyatt is actually a good player.....yeah, but what else can I do, except post facts.
Myth # 3)......that RU doesn't run an offense.....this one is actually the all-timer, because the same fans complaining about recruiting, then turn around and blame the coach for the players lacking offensive skill or talent.
Watch games across conferences....offense is a matchup situation, where players target weaker defensive players to score. There are Ivy League and small conferences who have no choice but to run a detailed, limited offense, because they lack talent and can't score in the paint.
I have a couple of players who would be "classified" as offensive players.
Gavin Griffiths
Derek Simpson
J Mike Davis
Portions of Hyatt
An occasional post up by Cliff.
Where is this offensive skill set where players can drive, dribble, pull up for jumpers from Mag, Woolfolk, Chol, Palmquist....even Austin Williams, who's rusty, has some basic fundamentals, but even last year with Mulcahy, Spencer or Caleb, there wasn't this skill set that's seen on MOST power 5/6 rosters.
This isn't Geo, RHJ, Jacob Young folks....even players like Eugene, Mag and others were developed into players. If you can't drive as a forward or pull up AND shoot as a wing, it's kinda hard to run any offense. The staff covers up as much as they can, but most CBB is matchup based.
In any event, I'll let these myths die a slow death.....but it's kinda difficult to understand what fans actually watch.....do we have 7 to 8 players on our roster that automatically start or are in rotations at most Power 5 schools or B1G programs?? I count 4.
And you had a week to prepare for this game but let’s face it we run no offense
Meanwhile back in reality Hyatt is a career 37% shooter and 31% 3 point shooter at Rutgers
Those are objectively poor numbers
Willingness to take shots is one thing. Making shots is another thing
Sadly Hyatt is arguably the best player this season where he was relegated to the bench behind Oskar last season
You told us this team was better 1-12 on the roster this season. Epic fail
He loses all credibility with the statement that this years team is as good as last year. Insanity. Focusing on offense but forgetting about rebounding. Even offensively, while Cam was inconsistent, he left a huge hole in the lineup that hasn’t been filled. Was hoping that would be Gavin, but clearly he’s not ready.
While Paul was maddening on offense, Noah is somehow worse. At least Paul grabbed rebounds and looks like he gave a damn.
A high school that was also missing one of the best players on their team which I didn’t realize til I heard that after the game
Last year's team would DESTROY this year's team
Imagine Hyatt's stat line with Caleb guarding him
Anyone with a clue, could understand taking Stonehill for granted or not coming out focused. I would have been shocked with a 85-50 game.
I don't think anyone (coaching staff, players or fans) liked what they saw today.
Your point on close games is relevant, but RU ran out of a lot of opportunities to continue to play close games down the stretch last year. There were a lot of 8 to 10+ point losses and 1 close win at Wisconsin, one miracle comeback at PSU that literally had a 0.1% chance of happening, and the debacle at Minnesota.
Two of those went in RUs favor last year (somehow with a big blocked shot by Cliff and the PSU missing literally every shot they took in the 2H).....do we need to rehash the Minnesota game?? I surely don't want to.
What happens is PSU doesn't cough up that lead and we lose by 8 to 10 points?? Are you still married to running it back with that lineup again??
Or, are you changing things and moving the program forward, based on a more talented roster, with different skills, down the road in 2024-25 and beyond??
You have no clue, I have already stated multiple times that the Cliff and Caleb are the baseline core players that are irreplaceable last year. Why would I consider any discussion about saying this year's team is better, as if they were playing against each other??
I don't think you completely understand how silly you sound. I could find matchups that would favor this year team and matchups that would favor last year, if this was 1 on 1.
This is a team sport....but if you asked me who is a better 1 on 1 player, I'd tell you that Spencer would have a very difficult time stopping Gavin Griffiths......and I feel fairly confident that Davis would hold his own defensively against anyone on this year or last year's roster in the backcourt.
Stay with reality......
Let's rewind the point you keep ignoring.....where are you on the Mag is irreplaceable bandwagon.....?? This was one of your favorite talking points that I believe has now been debunked....or am I wrong again??? 🙄
OK where is Hyatt in the 2023-24 season....and I am saying this roster needed to be overhauled and is better, with who is actually available to return.....the backcourt over 4 months of the season, will be better than last year.
Right now Hyatt is a little better than last year.....Cliff has not been, he is averaging less than last year.
It would be common sense for any RU fan, to believe that Cliff would at worse be the same as last year OR actually better than last year. If we are being objective (which you refuse to do), the discussion starts and ends with Cliff. I remain 100% in Cliffs corner and this roster goes nowhere without him.
You would have been shocked by a 30+ point differential? The other **checks notes** 5 mid-high majors they’ve played have whooped them by 40+. If this team is so good like you miraculously claim, why wouldn’t we run a glorified D2 squad out of the gym. Your arguments escape logic
This is a terrible take on those guys. If they were playing today, this would have been easy 20 point win. Normally I agree with you Hawk, but c'mon now. Also, they weren't afraid to take shots. That's simply not true.
“Literally no difference” between this year’s offense and last year’s offense? Holy Geezus, what the heck are you watching?!?!
Don’t get me wrong, last year’s offense was pretty subpar, but this year’s offense is downright PUTRID.
2022-23 offensive efficiency — 106.3, which was ranked 151 in the country.
2023-24 offensive efficiency through first 12 games — 101.1, which is ranked 243 in the country.
Those numbers speak for themselves. And bear in mind this year’s numbers are based on a majority of games against cupcakes, whereas last year’s numbers include all games.
Gavin is playing as a 2, Spencer would not be asked to guard him. The guards are Noah, Simpson, Davis, and Austin Williams. None of them are as effective overall this year as Cam was last year.
Davis is someone I really like, but at his size, I think Paul would bully him by backing him down. We saw that scenario often in prior years. Paul would have no shot of staying in front of Davis, I will grant you that.
You may be the only one out there who currently feels this year's roster is better than last year's.
We miss our length on D and having a reliable high % 3 pt threat.
Wednesday will tell us if today was just a holiday dud or a foreshadowing of a rough B1G season. I'm sure every frequent poster hopes it was just a dud, even if many of us fear the latter is looking more probable.
Hawk used to be a reputable poster. The decline is hard to watch
Does anyone besides Hawk think this year's team is better right now? Anyone?
Does anyone besides Hawk think this year's team is better right now? Anyone?
Oops there was so much noise about game I thought we lost., More calm now especially since FSU was exposed as a poser.,Hate the Noles
He actually has a lot of good takes but seems incapable of admitting when he’s wrong.
Those numbers don't add up to points on the scoreboard....efficiency is one of many items you can point to.
The obvious takeaway for RU fans is the only thing that matters is how efficiency counts against Q4 opponents. And they're excited when the efficiency last year was "run up" because the staff attempted to mask the lack of depth....if the staff used its depth and took out players up 20, those efficiency numbers would have dropped.....having Cliff getting dunks up 25 and Cam hitting 5 threes vs Central Connecticut State is the standard.
Does anyone honestly believe that is the most effective way to use the roster?? I certainly don't.
But as I said, if Q4 games from last year to this year is the standard, then I will just disagree. You fans are correct, it's most important.
Sort of like Cliff vs LIU this year?
Oh yeah 7 point game they fought for their lives
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