RB2?

[RU-05]

So I know Brown is coming off an injury plagued season and may need more time to get up to speed.

I also know Raymond is a freshman who was playing against either a worn out D, or Howard's depth players.

And there is also the style factor with Brown being a physical change of pace back that could be seen as a better complement to Monangai then Raymond.

But while I thought Brown's play against an lower level opponent was pretty meh, Raymond came in, and like Monangai, looked electric. On 19 carries Monangai had 5 carries of 10 or more yards. Raymond had 3 on 6 carries. Brown had 1 on 14 carries.

Am I overlooking the 30+ yard TD reception for Brown. I admit I am. And I'm not saying that right now Raymond should be the RB2. But I do think that the potential for that to happen at some point this season should be on the table.

 

[mdk01]

So I know Brown is coming off an injury plagued season and may need more time to get up to speed.

I also know Raymond is a freshman who was playing against either a worn out D, or Howard's depth players.

And there is also the style factor with Brown being a physical change of pace back that could be seen as a better complement to Monangai then Raymond.

But while I thought Brown's play against an lower level opponent was pretty meh, Raymond came in, and like Monangai, looked electric. On 19 carries Monangai had 5 carries of 10 or more yards. Raymond had 3 on 6 carries. Brown had 1 on 14 carries.

Am I overlooking the 30+ yard TD reception for Brown. I admit I am. And I'm not saying that right now Raymond should be the RB2. But I do think that the potential for that to happen at some point this season should be on the table.

Brown's running picked up as the game went on. First few carries I agree with you.

 

[Knight Shift]

So I know Brown is coming off an injury plagued season and may need more time to get up to speed.

I also know Raymond is a freshman who was playing against either a worn out D, or Howard's depth players.

And there is also the style factor with Brown being a physical change of pace back that could be seen as a better complement to Monangai then Raymond.

But while I thought Brown's play against an lower level opponent was pretty meh, Raymond came in, and like Monangai, looked electric. On 19 carries Monangai had 5 carries of 10 or more yards. Raymond had 3 on 6 carries. Brown had 1 on 14 carries.

Am I overlooking the 30+ yard TD reception for Brown. I admit I am. And I'm not saying that right now Raymond should be the RB2. But I do think that the potential for that to happen at some point this season should be on the table.

Can't find it, but Sam Brown graded out very high by PFF.
Raymond looked good, but need to see a larger sample size. Not a knock against him at all, just would like to see more before jumping to an early conclusion against Howard in 4th quarter.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

Brown is just fine , I think it may be more that Raymond might have “it” !!!! Very small sample size for Raymond but he now should get a carry or two in a series in 2nd or 3rd Q

 

[RU-05]

Brown's running picked up as the game went on. First few carries I agree with you.

Which could speak to him needing to get back to game speed.

Could also speak to a big fresh back being able to feast on a worn out Howard D. Admittedly Raymond benefited from this as well. Do we know the state of the O-lines for these 2 RB's in the 2nd half? Was it full 2nd unit when Raymond and Shep were in the game?

 

[RU-05]

Can't find it, but Sam Brown graded out very high by PFF.
Raymond looked good, but need to see a larger sample size. Not a knock against him at all, just would like to see more before jumping to an early conclusion against Howard in 4th quarter.

Ya, and as I note, I'm not anointing him the #2 yet. But that did make me think it's possible at some point this year.

Do we know what goes into the PFF grades? How much did the TD catch play into it?

 

[Knight Shift]

Ya, and as I note, I'm not anointing him the #2 yet. But that did make me think it's possible at some point this year.

Do we know what goes into the PFF grades? How much did the TD catch play into it?

Don't know. It's subscription only, but you can see here what they look at:

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[AreYouNUTS]

Brown is #2. Pretty simple. Don’t see him losing that spot this year. There should be enough carries to get Raymond 5-7 each game.

 

[RUref]

Ja'Shon Benjamin will also have to get some touches.

 

[RU-05]

Ja'Shon Benjamin will also have to get some touches.

Was he banged up for game 1?

Nice to have depth though.

 

[ru66]

Trust our coaches who actually know the players.

 

[RU-05]

Trust our coaches who actually know the players.

Boring.

 

[ru66]

Boring.

But true--opinions from those that really know little-- other than watching a couple of plays on TV--are weak.

 

[RU-05]

But true--opinions from those that really know little-- other than watching a couple of plays on TV--are weak.

And yet here we are.

 

[Knight Shift]

And yet here we are.

Someone does not understand the concept of a Football "Forum." --"a public meeting place for open discussion."

Imagine a fan or an analyst having an opinion that varies or differs from the coaches.

Kyron Drones (Va Tech) QB says hello! @mb5789 would get this joke.

 

[TheKnightclub]

yeah. If we can't discuss football we may as well resign as the worst fan base. What's the point?

Everything is always as it should be. Support and like players others pick for you. Strange stuff!

 

[RU-05]

Someone does not understand the concept of a Football "Forum." --"a public meeting place for open discussion."

Imagine a fan or an analyst having an opinion that varies or differs from the coaches.

Kyron Drones (Va Tech) QB says hello! @mb5789 would get this joke.

Such a bizarre concept.

But at this point I can't say my opinion actually differs from the coaches regarding RB2.

 

[redking]

Love the talent and depth in the RB room. Let's hope we can keep them all when Kyle goes pro after the bowl game(s).

 

[DJ Spanky]

So I know Brown is coming off an injury plagued season and may need more time to get up to speed.

I also know Raymond is a freshman who was playing against either a worn out D, or Howard's depth players.

And there is also the style factor with Brown being a physical change of pace back that could be seen as a better complement to Monangai then Raymond.

But while I thought Brown's play against an lower level opponent was pretty meh, Raymond came in, and like Monangai, looked electric. On 19 carries Monangai had 5 carries of 10 or more yards. Raymond had 3 on 6 carries. Brown had 1 on 14 carries.

Am I overlooking the 30+ yard TD reception for Brown. I admit I am. And I'm not saying that right now Raymond should be the RB2. But I do think that the potential for that to happen at some point this season should be on the table.

Ummmmmm.....you seem to be cherry picking specific moments. There's a lot more to playing running back under Schiano than barreling through the line. Look at what else Monangai and Brown did during the game other than carrying the ball.

 

[RU-05]

Ummmmmm.....you seem to be cherry picking specific moments. There's a lot more to playing running back under Schiano than barreling through the line. Look at what else Monangai and Brown did during the game other than carrying the ball.

It's true, I didn't perform a film breakdown to see pass blocking for the respective players.

Monangai had that excellent pickup. I didn't notice a similar play for either of the other two. Wouldn't shock me if Brown has an edge in that regard but Raymond was on for zero pass plays. Really wasn't much opportunity to see how he fared in other facets of the game(he did seem committed to high and tight though).

And I did try to note the specific context for when each guy was playing. Don't think I did much cherry picking.

 

[RUGuitarMan]

Brown isn’t going anywhere from #2. The freshman RB will get some carries in each game.

 

[RUforester72]

Love the talent and depth in the RB room. Let's hope we can keep them all when Kyle goes pro after the bowl game(s).

We’re good!

 

[Knight Owl]

Raymond got that herky jerk in him. I think he needs to stay on the lighter side to be effective (and his current 202 lbs isn’t THAT light).
Sam Brown is up to a listed 222 pounds now but still has good top end speed. I wonder if he shouldn’t try to put on a few more pounds so he can break more arm tackles since he is a true “downhill” runner.

 

[Extra Point]

Shouldn't Raymond be redshirted?

 

[RUbacker]

So I know Brown is coming off an injury plagued season and may need more time to get up to speed.

I also know Raymond is a freshman who was playing against either a worn out D, or Howard's depth players.

And there is also the style factor with Brown being a physical change of pace back that could be seen as a better complement to Monangai then Raymond.

But while I thought Brown's play against an lower level opponent was pretty meh, Raymond came in, and like Monangai, looked electric. On 19 carries Monangai had 5 carries of 10 or more yards. Raymond had 3 on 6 carries. Brown had 1 on 14 carries.

Am I overlooking the 30+ yard TD reception for Brown. I admit I am. And I'm not saying that right now Raymond should be the RB2. But I do think that the potential for that to happen at some point this season should be on the table.

Brown is RB2 . Raymond is the future . You are forgetting Benjamin altogether . He is a nice change of pace back .

 

[RUbacker]

Raymond got that herky jerk in him. I think he needs to stay on the lighter side to be effective (and his current 202 lbs isn’t THAT light).
Sam Brown is up to a listed 222 pounds now but still has good top end speed. I wonder if he shouldn’t try to put on a few more pounds so he can break more arm tackles since he is a true “downhill” runner.

No, no more weight.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Shouldn't Raymond be redshirted?

I think this is what we see. Raymond gets into 4 games this year. If I’m Greg, I pick my spots. Get him a few more carries against Akron and then pick a B1G school with a poor run defense and then a true test against a good run defense.

 

[drewbagel423]

Shouldn't Raymond be redshirted?

With the portal and current transfer rules, is there a point to RSing players anymore?

 

[mdk01]

With the portal and current transfer rules, is there a point to RSing players anymore?

Yes. If a freshman sees juniors and seniors in front of him and a clear path to a starting role or significant playing time in year 3 (redshirt soph year) it works.

 

[RU-05]

Shouldn't Raymond be redshirted?

With the portal and current transfer rules, is there a point to RSing players anymore?

If Raymond is good enough, and there is some basis to think he is, then he shouldn't be redshirted.

And by good enough it probably means he's the #2. Probably won't forego the redshirt just to play him as a #3.

And if he is good enough, do we expect to have him around for 4 years beyond this one? So if coaches think he is currently the 2nd best back on the roster, I don't think they try to play the long game with him.

 

[mdk01]

If Raymond is good enough, and there is some basis to think he is, then he shouldn't be redshirted.

And by good enough it probably means he's the #2. Probably won't forego the redshirt just to play him as a #3.

And if he is good enough, do we expect to have him around for 4 years beyond this one? So if coaches think he is currently the 2nd best back on the roster, I don't think they try to play the long game with him.

They have 4 games to find out. I certainly wouldn't burn a redshirt based on a 4th quarter against Howard's 2nd string.

 

[RU-05]

They have 4 games to find out. I certainly wouldn't burn a redshirt based on a 4th quarter against Howard's 2nd string.

Of course. And I think if coaching staff is even considering it, then they get him into the mix much earlier vs Akron.

If we only see him in mop up, then it probably shows their hand.

 

[yesrutgers01]

They have 4 games to find out. I certainly wouldn't burn a redshirt based on a 4th quarter against Howard's 2nd string.

if the kid comes in against Akron and looks the same, they he gets more looks- but the other thing, it isn't like Brown looked horrible. Dude had more that 100 all purpose yds and 4.9 average on the ground.

 

[RUSK97]

It's true, I didn't perform a film breakdown to see pass blocking for the respective players.

Monangai had that excellent pickup. I didn't notice a similar play for either of the other two. Wouldn't shock me if Brown has an edge in that regard but Raymond was on for zero pass plays. Really wasn't much opportunity to see how he fared in other facets of the game(he did seem committed to high and tight though).

And I did try to note the specific context for when each guy was playing. Don't think I did much cherry picking.

That I think is the knock on Monangai for the next level. He’a a great runner - bo doubt, but his pass blocking is improving (not quite there yet) and his pass catching needs a lot of work (albeit those kinds of dumpoff passes were Wimsatt’s worst).

 

[RU-05]

That I think is the knock on Monangai for the next level. He’a a great runner - bo doubt, but his pass blocking is improving (not quite there yet) and his pass catching needs a lot of work (albeit those kinds of dumpoff passes were Wimsatt’s worst).

Just digging through his stats, and found it interesting that he had 10 catches in his frosh season, but then followed that up with back to back 6 catch season(8 last season including the bowl game), despite having a much bigger overall role.

Granted QB play is a big factor in that.

1 Catch vs Howard in a little more then 1/2 a game. So hopefully we see more of that this year.

 

[yesrutgers01]

That I think is the knock on Monangai for the next level. He’a a great runner - bo doubt, but his pass blocking is improving (not quite there yet) and his pass catching needs a lot of work (albeit those kinds of dumpoff passes were Wimsatt’s worst).

Wait wut?????? His blocking- do you watch Rutgers- if he isn't the best pass blocking RB in college, he is top 5- you can put together a 15 minute highlight of nothing but his bone crushing game changing blocks

 

[yesrutgers01]

Also- pass catching- shit- last year- GW couldn't hit a RB if his life depended on it.
I can't recall a pass to KM he bungled...

 

[RU848789]

Wait wut?????? His blocking- do you watch Rutgers- if he isn't the best pass blocking RB in college, he is top 5- you can put together a 15 minute highlight of nothing but his bone crushing game changing blocks

Yeah, I don't know where that came from. KM is a helluva blocker, both mentally (looking at the D and getting to the spot) and physically (dishing out fierce blocks).

 

[RU848789]

So I know Brown is coming off an injury plagued season and may need more time to get up to speed.

I also know Raymond is a freshman who was playing against either a worn out D, or Howard's depth players.

And there is also the style factor with Brown being a physical change of pace back that could be seen as a better complement to Monangai then Raymond.

But while I thought Brown's play against an lower level opponent was pretty meh, Raymond came in, and like Monangai, looked electric. On 19 carries Monangai had 5 carries of 10 or more yards. Raymond had 3 on 6 carries. Brown had 1 on 14 carries.

Am I overlooking the 30+ yard TD reception for Brown. I admit I am. And I'm not saying that right now Raymond should be the RB2. But I do think that the potential for that to happen at some point this season should be on the table.

Last minute runs against a worn down defense are hard to base anything on and Brown had quite a good game, including that pass catch, so based on stats, Raymond isn't passing Brown anytime soon. Having said that, I agree that Raymond looks like he could be a special back with speed and moves, so I do expect to see him get some reps every game, especially if he can block (no idea on that right now).

 

[mdk01]

Wait wut?????? His blocking- do you watch Rutgers- if he isn't the best pass blocking RB in college, he is top 5- you can put together a 15 minute highlight of nothing but his bone crushing game changing blocks

I remember a number of de-cleaters last year.