And that's with Russo as a 2 star.
Can someone remind me how many classes Schiano had ranked higher in his 11 years here?
Can someone remind me how many classes Schiano had ranked higher in his 11 years here?
Recruiting class ranked #33
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Why are you trying to put down the guy who took RU from a laughingstock to yearly bowl games ?
You don't have to dislike one to appreciate the other.
BTW- Schiano had at least 2 higher ranked classes in his last few years , recruiting from the Big East /AAC , not the benefit of the Big10 .
Geez.
You don't have to dislike one to appreciate the other.
BTW- Schiano had at least 2 higher ranked classes in his last few years , recruiting from the Big East /AAC , not the benefit of the Big10 .
Geez.
please remember that it is only Aug. when all is said and done we will most likely finish in the 40s or 50s . I like this class but its not great.
overreact much?
Yes, the answer is two. #32 in 2011 & #24 in 2012. Flood has gotten recruiting back to Schiano levels.
I don't see how the OP is putting down Schiano with his post. I think that he asked a very fair question.
In order to compare classes, you first need to wait until Feb'16 to have all the classes completed by all colleges. Then the final rankings are done. Then you can compare Flood's 2016 class against what Schiano did. Although Schiano was working in AAC conf and did not have the benefit of being part of B1G.
I think we will finish in the 40s. There are more teams below us with fewer recruits and a higher star per recruit average than there are teams above us with more recruits and a lower star average.
Rutgers ranking. 2015 53 rank, 2014 57th, 2013 46th, Schiano. 2012 24th, 2011 32th, 2010 64th, 2009 38th, 2008 46th, 2007 37th, 2006 42th
This 2016 class is the best class Flood has recruited which is great but he is getting back to where we were with Schiano. This class will not end at 33th but closer to low 40th which hopefully be competitive with the Big boys. Schools like Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State,TCU, Arizona State,Nebraska, Texas A&M, Clemson, South Carolina will bye pass up when they fill their class.
I would be happy with a couple of years of ratings of 35-45 ranking. This will give us the ability to beat the Big Boys once in a while. If we were in the 50-59th ranking, I would be scared what we would become in 4-5 years.
This 2016 class is the best class Flood has recruited which is great but he is getting back to where we were with Schiano. This class will not end at 33th but closer to low 40th which hopefully be competitive with the Big boys. Schools like Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State,TCU, Arizona State,Nebraska, Texas A&M, Clemson, South Carolina will bye pass up when they fill their class.
I would be happy with a couple of years of ratings of 35-45 ranking. This will give us the ability to beat the Big Boys once in a while. If we were in the 50-59th ranking, I would be scared what we would become in 4-5 years.
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33rd is solid and we're making progress. That said, there are 32 programs "ahead" of us. So let's keep choppin.
Absolutely correct about waiting till February. Rutgers class ranking right now is inflated by the number of commits. RU will need at least a couple more 4* to stay in the lower 30's.
Your wrong though about Schiano. He ever coached or recruited in the AAC. He left before that.
It's not a fair question. The current ranking is skewed due to the very higher number of Recruits we have versus other programs. This will unfortunately drop down to the 40-50 + range when it all said and done. Fact is Schiano's recruiting results were far better than Flood's { to this point}.
While I applaud your attempt at logic, this isn't any more ridiculous in August than the contrary posts that the class sucks or Flood can't recruit. Which, by the way, was my chief complaint to the anti-Flood crowd when they were screaming about the '16 class as far back as April and May. That sort of action exposes a certain bias that, IMO, renders their opinions irrelevant.
schiano was handed one of the worst div 1 programs in the country. it took some time but he built RU into a very competitive and fun to follow program. he put together some pretty good recruiting classes while playing in the big east. just think at the classes he would put together in a GREAT conference like the one we are in now. top 25 every year im guessing. I like Flood but I think he should be recruiting better with the program he was handed and the conference we are in. I like the class he is putting together but these classes need to get better or we will finish middle of the pack every year.
And again - recruiting is judged on the field. Schiano's performance on the field was less than most were expecting.
Maybe the OP's question could have been phrased better. Had he simply asked how many former classes were ranked better without the Schaino reference it would have been better.
Along with the comments about this being too early to be comparing, the fact that recruiting in a P5 conference is most definitely easier than any of the others including the old BE.
Along with the comments about this being too early to be comparing, the fact that recruiting in a P5 conference is most definitely easier than any of the others including the old BE.
Quite amazing.
The good news is that we are just about back the the Hafley recruiting classes.
You realize that question has an actual answer, right? Scientifically speaking, it's not actually a riddle.
Actually, there is a big difference this year compared to many other years when we had "more" recruits early and would skew the numbers. They only take your top twenty into account and this year, there are very few kids that are two stars that don't get the bump or are in our top 20. There is a very good chance or average star ranking ends around 3.1-3.2 and many of those 3 stars on the high end.
Meaning we don't have that far we can drop. I think we end in a 35 range for this class.
Meaning we don't have that far we can drop. I think we end in a 35 range for this class.
A lot depends on Rutgers ability to grab players like Harmon, Pridgeon, Gary, Haskins, Fuller, etc. Some people believe named teams (Texas, Oklahoma, etc.) will pass Rutgers just because. Most years that might be the case, but I've noticed a lot of the usual suspects have class size equal to or greater than Rutgers right now because fear is playing a big part. Just like players worrying about losing his spot on his team of choice, programs are now feeling the same way. There are programs putting pressure on all but the top studs to start rapping up the decision process. Teams want to go into the season with less stress having to deal with calling a potential recruit everyday to check in. I've read 6 of the 10 (power and general) conferences agree with having an early signing period, but for now it was tabled for other important matters. I wouldn't be shocked to see classes pretty much peak in August going forward. That early signing period is coming soon than later. Don't expect to see a lot of teams moving up or down greater than 6 or 7 spots between September and signing day.
Btw, where a class finish when it comes to rankings doesn't determine how well the class will perform on the field. The margin between some 3 and 4 stars is not that great, but if the 3s receive solid coaching it nullifies most of the 4s advantages. Keep that in mind when you look at NFL rosters with Rutgers players who were 2 and 3 stars at most.
Schiano was a remarkable recruiter and program organizer/manager. A+. Had he had the foresight to take a smaller contract, use $ available from him taking a smaller contract to hire higher end coordinators, and let them do their jobs, he might just still be here, and who knows how far along we would have been.
Agree, don't understand the need to put Schiano down. He was a good man, cared about the players and their academics. He held them accountable. He was a good program builder and manager. He may have not been the best X's and O's coach, but he took us from laughingstock to respectability without having the BIG behind him to recruit. I will always be greatful for what he did for us.
Maybe we will be in the 40's or maybe it will be better. Too early to say.
Well, its not an attempt at logic, its just the truth. Either way though, I totally agree with you. I just think this post asks for an argument that doesn't need to be had right now. The class is shaping up well, but a few things make this not the right time. First, Floods biggest known recruiting issue was pushing kids to commit quickly, and then those kids de-committed when "better" offers came alone. Second, the class is #33, but if nothing else happens will not finish with that rating. For both of those reasons I think its better for all of us to let it play out.
I fully believe this class is going to look just fine once its all said and done. We certainly need to get better, but things are moving in the right direction.
I think the photo implied don't count your chickens before they are hatched, rather than what came first, the chicken or the egg. Or it implied neither.
If we can't discuss or count classes until Feb can you explain how Schiano gets credit for a class when he worked in Tampa?
Dont care for stars myself and I like our class + Flood but...
You can't say our class is ranked well and then say one of our players is highly under rated/"under starred". Other teams have underrated players too.
You either buy in to the rankings or you don't.
You can't say our class is ranked well and then say one of our players is highly under rated/"under starred". Other teams have underrated players too.
You either buy in to the rankings or you don't.
Final rankings take the top 20 players into account. If all the RU verbals end up signing, the drop will not be as drastic as you are portraying. Further RU will likely get a boost with Russo projected increase. Much to your chagrin and constant complaining about Flood ....he currently has RU in a good spot recruiting wise for 2016. Things can always change for the better or worse, but so far so good.
