Recruiting class ranked #33
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We will no where near 50 we will hang in the 30's. A number of our guys will get bumped up. I have no idea where you are coming up with the 50's
oh great another baiting thread started trying to compared Flood and Schiano...ugh this is exactly why the board along with the new format has sucked for the last few months
poor comparison since GS left a week before signing day not 6 months
I prefer to look at average star ratings of recruits as a fairer way of grading how colleges compare in their verbals.
I also think it gives a better picture overall
Right now, if I count correctly, there are 45 teams that have a higher average star ranking
I also think it gives a better picture overall
Right now, if I count correctly, there are 45 teams that have a higher average star ranking
It is impossible to evaluate a class until signing day and to fight over that issue in August is a bit silly.
I think we CAN make it inside the top 40. Here is how it CAN happen.
1. We are still in it for a number of 4 star recruits. We could pick up 1 or 2 of them by February especially if we have a good season (Jeovani Haskins etc.).
2. We have a few high 3 star recruits that might be bumped up to 4 star (solomon manning etc.). So say one 3 star gets bumped to 4 star.
3. Of our 5 2 stars, 3 of them should definitely be bumped to 3 star (Russo etc.) leaving 2 2 stars assuming no more commits of 2 star recruits.
4. Rivals only takes into consideration the top 20 recruits in the class for their ranking. If we have 2 2 star recruits and 22 total recruits, guess what? Those 2 2star recruits will have NO effect on the ranking. We should have an average star rating above 3.0 when all is said and done.
All of this occurring should put us within the top 40 and not outside of it.
Yeah, you're right. It's actual topics about FOOTBALL that are dragging down the FOOTBALL board, not the fact that any sign of positivity is squashed liked a little boy in a Penn State shower.
Carry on with your idiot google & travelocity message board. Let me go see what the intelligent people posting on the other Rutgers site think.
I guess it would be nice to be able to say we had a top 40 recruiting class. But what real difference does it make if the class is rated at 38 as opposed to 42? People are making way too big a deal out of this.
4 stars 4 star 4 stars.
The big issue with the majority of the Schiano classes was that they had the stars but it was filled with low ranked players. This caused us to have serious depth problems all the time. The 2016 class, although not riddled with the blue chipper superstars, will finally give us the depth we desperately need. The stats prove it:We currently tied for #7 in the nation in three star recruits, with a chance to get many more either by recruiting more or getting upgrades.
By the way everyone is clamoring about the Maryland class this year but it has the same problem as with the Schiano classes, the depth of the class is terrible. If you take out the 4 four stars the class is not much better than a UConn or Temple class.
The big issue with the majority of the Schiano classes was that they had the stars but it was filled with low ranked players. This caused us to have serious depth problems all the time. The 2016 class, although not riddled with the blue chipper superstars, will finally give us the depth we desperately need. The stats prove it:We currently tied for #7 in the nation in three star recruits, with a chance to get many more either by recruiting more or getting upgrades.
By the way everyone is clamoring about the Maryland class this year but it has the same problem as with the Schiano classes, the depth of the class is terrible. If you take out the 4 four stars the class is not much better than a UConn or Temple class.
Obviously first we hae to assume everyone sticks - which I think is going to depend largely on how the season goes. But assume they do - and we add a couple of more 3 stars and call it a day - which is kind of the low end of expectations here.
That would be good enough for a top 35-40 class last year start. It would clearly be Flood's best, and among the best RU has ever had.
Its certainly not that eclass that I think that we COULD have had, at least in fantasy land - that could have been a top 20 class. But its also not hte kind of class like the last three, that really start to make things hard for a coach depth wise.
This is a good enough class to compete with - mabybe not for hte league title - but for a major bowl if we catch some breaks.
Blitz lecturing about premature ejaculation is like an alcoholic telling someone not to drink. Watch a game thread. He is invariably the first person to declare a game over if the other team goes up 3-0.
This is why its hard to get too excited for our prospects and why pumping up Flood is a waste of time. Maybe we have improved over the previous 2 recruiting disasters but the bar has been raised very high. How can we expect to perform well in our conference when our conference mates are recruiting in top 5 or top 10 and we're arguing whether we finish in the 30's, 40's or 50's?
That's a good question. Maybe you should go ask that on the Michigan State Board. Here are their recruiting classes going back prior to their turnaround in 2010
2013- 40 Record 13-1/8-0
2012- 41 Record 7-6/3-5
2011- 31 Record 11-3/ 7-1
2010- 30 Record 11-2/7-1
2009 - 17
2008- 47
2007- 42
2006 - 33
I'm sure you will say their success was all due to their 2009 class. I have not checked, but I doubt the 2010 record had much to do with the incoming freshman class.
Wisconsin is another good example.
We saw the results of Michigan classes (top 20 yearly) under Brady (C)Hoke, they underperformed like no one's business. Wisconsin on the other hand outperformed their class ranking most years by 25+ spots. It comes down to coaching, development, schemes and execution.
This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. That's like saying take away Ohio State's five stars and it's no better than a Mississippi State class. The reason its ranked higher is because of those better players.
Wrong. Ohio State has a bunch of 4 stars to back up the 5 stars. Unless Maryland picks it up big time they will be a couple injuries away from disaster in the B1G in the future.
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FWIW On Scout you have the #27 class, with a lot of the guys being ranked top 5 at their position within their state.
I personally prefer the 247 composite (Russo is already a 3* there), more data = better, and I like the class calculator where you can add players to see how they affect the class. For example, if you landed Gary, Pridgeon, & Harmon you would have a top 20 class right now. And probably a #38 class when it's all said and done (192 pts in 2015 was about #38). Given that, if you end up with a #35 class it means your season went well and Flood closed on some high end talent.
I personally prefer the 247 composite (Russo is already a 3* there), more data = better, and I like the class calculator where you can add players to see how they affect the class. For example, if you landed Gary, Pridgeon, & Harmon you would have a top 20 class right now. And probably a #38 class when it's all said and done (192 pts in 2015 was about #38). Given that, if you end up with a #35 class it means your season went well and Flood closed on some high end talent.
We can play this game all day. But those are outliers. And even then - those classes combined average better than THIS class, let alone the average of Flood's last four classes.
If the class capstone is Haskins (4 star), Pridgeon (high 4 star), and Harmon (4 star), we will finish in the top 40 easily.
Of course those are big ifs. Russo will almost certainly be bumped to 3 stars (4 stars isn't happening). Damon Hayes has a good chance as well. However, I would expect our 2 star linemen to stay there, as they are big huge dudes but also projects.
Of course those are big ifs. Russo will almost certainly be bumped to 3 stars (4 stars isn't happening). Damon Hayes has a good chance as well. However, I would expect our 2 star linemen to stay there, as they are big huge dudes but also projects.
This is correct. And in fact it was the bigger problem with Flood's previous classes - not so much that there werent some actual gems in there, but that there were ALOT of reaches (at least on paper.) Obviously one would rather be in MDs position this year than ours last year or the year before - better to have a few four stars and a bunch of low 3 and 2 stars than a few high threes and a bunch of low threes and 2 stars. But I would, at this point, take a bunch of high 3s, and almost no twos over MDs. Depth is very important.
Do you mean Maryland's 2 stars are definitely no good but our 2 stars are definitely great?
I think Johnson will be bumped up to 3*, Friedman had positive article on him after he committed. Seemed like a 3 star review to me.
No 7th in the nation in 3 stars is7th in the nation. And they do have one two star Motley who is horribly underrated. But our class is much deeper.
What I don't get is all the talk about player's getting bumped to a higher star to improve the overall team ranking. Does that mean that Rutgers is the only team that has players stars improved as time goes on? What about all the other teams out there, don't they have guys who gets their stars bumped as well?
Well said Jason, you are certainly one of Pen State's better fans with your objectivity.
We're not getting Gary, and probably not Pridgeon. We have a great shot at Southerland, and a decent chance at Harmon. I say probably not Pridgeon because he had already committed then backed out, most likely because of the 'other' programs interest in him. However, I still hope we land that kid. He would be an enormous boost for the program, figuratively and literally. It would soften the blow of not getting Rashan to some extent.
Russo SHOULD get an upgrade in rating because of his performance in the elite 11. This, plus getting a couple of the aforementioned kids, and this recruiting class ON PAPER will look pretty good. It will take a few years to see how they really pan out.
Remember much goes into the success or failure of a program to achieve its goals: players, and player development, coaching, schedule. Things that affect programs like defections, coaching changes, misfortunes, etc. all come into play. The 2004 season here at RU should have been a winning season, but an early season accident that nearly cost the lives of three players took an emotional toll on the program. It took another year before the team achieved its first winning season going back to the first half of the 90s, and the first bowl game since the GS Bowl.
We have a good chance at Pridgeon, as long as he cares more about his family than his coaches' resumes.
