It depends...how much more will the parochials recruit and steal wrestlers away from high schools leading to the watered down regions? It works both ways.
Recruiting
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How accommodating of the NJSIAA to separate teams who have powerful, recruiting advantages over public town teams.
Therein lies the issue...they aren't Delbarton kids. They are the hand selected and snatched from all over the place when they are identified as a top talent in their town program.
Keep it how it is. Although, I really do miss the format of the local region and then Super Region. I used to have a watching the regions go at it (1 vs 2).
I also liked it when the parochial schools sucked. I always liked when kids rep their town, but I get why it's become what it is. Kids are hyper focused and seek national competition more nowadays.
I also liked it when the parochial schools sucked. I always liked when kids rep their town, but I get why it's become what it is. Kids are hyper focused and seek national competition more nowadays.
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What issue though?
what is the issue though? How is putting all parochials in one region help?
Putting all the parochial kids (by and large the best kids in the state) makes it easier for the public school kids to get to AC and to medal.
That’s the heart of the issue, people are upset that the “re-regioned” parochials won all the region titles and made it harder for the public school wrestler to get to AC.
Because we wrestle to one state champ and 95% of the parochial wrestlers are from NJ, what does it matter if you see them in the region or AC?
If people want one region for the parochials then NJ should have a public school state champ and parochial state champ like we do in every other sport.
The “issue” for many kids in the 10-32 range is competing against the specialization. The privates treat an individual sport much more like college does. Really not taking a side here just looking at the rationale. My kid made states 2x but decided to stay in his public school, and play 3 sports. He won a few matches but got destroyed vs BC and Delbarton kids. Could have played baseball and was recruited to all of them but knew would never touch the Mat in wrestling at BC which is where he narrowed and maybe a bench player/specialist in FB. Ended up being all county in both FB and Baseball and got a solid D1 scholarship for baseball so it worked out for us.
But kids that want to do that these days just cannot compete against the kids training year round in wrestling and thats pretty much every private school kid. Its choices but IMO why they are so much better. Sure we have the public outliers like Ashnault, Mehki, etc but its very different then the 80’s/90’s when you could be All State in 3 sports if you were an elite athlete.
Its all choices. We are happy with the one we made but don’t begrudge kids who cant to be elite in 1 sport. Anyway my perspective living through it and kind of being on both sides of it.
But kids that want to do that these days just cannot compete against the kids training year round in wrestling and thats pretty much every private school kid. Its choices but IMO why they are so much better. Sure we have the public outliers like Ashnault, Mehki, etc but its very different then the 80’s/90’s when you could be All State in 3 sports if you were an elite athlete.
Its all choices. We are happy with the one we made but don’t begrudge kids who cant to be elite in 1 sport. Anyway my perspective living through it and kind of being on both sides of it.
Yep, different rules. Live where ever you want. Train with your coaches year round. The private schools get to break all the rules most public schools are bound by. Of course there are schools like Southern Regional and Rumson who turn their heads when it comes to rules, but it’s an unfair advantage. At least Blair Academy doesn’t bother with the NJSIAA, and most of these private school kids would get waxed by their Blair counterpart.
100% agree - there are kids still wrestling in HS that should be sophomores in college. Embarrassing that parents will make BS excuses like their kid was only 95 lbs heading into Freshman year so they had to holdback and in the meantime they were cutting them 15 lbs for MS events. Double-holdbacks are not unusual these days - there are a bunch of kids just making the cut-off.
Curious, what are all the rules private school wrestling programs are breaking that public schools are not? And there are a lot more public schools like Southern and Rumson that turn their heads. Just look at Brick Mem, Howell-who a couple years ago "claimed" the number 1 ranked public school-with an Iowa kid and NY kid on the team. Paulsboro, Bound Brook-when they were winning(were all choice studennts etc). Public school recruiting has been going on for 30 years----Highland back in the 80's the Absegami powerhouse teams etc etc.
Most public schools play by the rules. There are several public schools that certainly bend the rules and they’re honestly not much better but at least those kids have to move within the districts borders. Private schools you can live wherever, even out of state.
The shore conference for example spans the majority of towns in Monmouth and Ocean counties. There have been several instances the past few years where the APP shore conference player of the year in various sports didn’t live in the shore conference. Total nonsense.
Well attending a private school living wherever you want is not bending or breaking the rules. Private schools do not have geographic areas. And a lot Shore conference kids are not moving into their districts(as well as other areas of the state), they are just attending their schools. Take a look at some rosters over the years(some schools had siblings in other schools, lol) Look I agree that Private schools have an advantage in wrestling, but the powerhouse publics are also recruiting as well.
I responded to the person who said something along the lines of "well maybe the Delbarton wrestlers are just better". The issue is, they really aren't Delbarton wrestlers. They are hand picked, top flight/elite wrestlers who come from all around. Day one and before any training begins at their school, they are already better than most. To have them compete against Morris County teams, enter the MCT, and compete in districts vs town teams is absurd. I wanted to look up the hometowns of the Delbarton roster to help prove a point. Guess what? They dont list hometowns on their official website. I wonder why.
Edit: Three wrestlers hometowns listed, Bernardsville, Towaco, Hillsborough. Hell, their manager isnt even from Morris County!! LOL!!!
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This is not a unique NJ issue. This is a national trend. Wrestling is a specialty sport. In order to be nationally ranked it needs to be a year round sport. Very rarely are kids doing multiple sports nowadays.
Middletown South hosted the Districts this year.
There wasn't one other Monmouth County school in it.
That's kind of silly no ?
He’s around 17 depending on which publication you look at. Probably an unintentional oversight by Kosko
Looks like Jeff Lopez of Clovis West (128lb California State Champ) visited recently. Class of 25'
It was top 2 from districts to regions, top 2 from regions to states back in my day.
S as ll District winners went to the States back in the 1950’s(my day) so if if you lost in the District finals you were done
Lopez placed 2nd. Lopez beat Isaiah Cortez in the semifinals. They have more Cali boys coming on visits.
This is where I wish USC or UCLA had wrestling as the influx of CA wrestlers we've been attracting would allow their families to see them in dual meets. That said I'm beginning to understand why we go out West every November to wrestle Stanford, Cal Poly, or Bakersfield lol.
Ayden Smith won 3-1 vs Abram Cline in Pittsburgh Wrestling Classic
Connor Harer beats Charlie Millard 10-7 in PWC. PA has won 3 matches. RU wins 2 of them through 8 weights
#4 Conner Harer knocked off #3 Millard (Minn commit) 10-7 as well. Should jump him in the rankings as well.
Conner Harer won his match against Millard 10-7. Harer was up big after 2. Millard was ranked 1 spot above Harer nationally. Harer is a beast on top, turned him for 3 and would have turned him again if ref did not call potentially dang(that aint getting called in college).
No doubt that he will be the starting 157 next year(unless he and coaches have plan to redshirt him). But I would expect him to be the man from day 1.
No doubt that he will be the starting 157 next year(unless he and coaches have plan to redshirt him). But I would expect him to be the man from day 1.
I like that he’s coming to RU practices already.. that’s the right mindset to have to be a champ..got a good feeling on him.. he will have 5 free matches to decide if he wants to RS or not.. love this new rule
Sounds like either 157/65.. even he prolly doesn’t know yet
Love Ayden’s mindset.. “don’t focus on winning/losing aspect.. wrestle to score and have fun.” Sounds exactly like one of Messenbrink’s interviews..
That’s what most people on here thought about Cetta
