Remember the calls to have Laviano replace Nova?
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I remember wanting to see Lav in action, then watching the end of the OSU and all of Nebraska game and thinking wow, Nova throws pics but at least he has an arm.
Be more specific. Are we talking pornographic ones? Or, like, grumpy cat meme ones?
I remember a 7-0 Rutgers being throttled by Kent State after Nova threw 4 then 5 then 6 interceptions, and he was left in there to be humiliated while Chas Dodd stood there holding Flood's clipboard.
I remember 17 for 40 against Virginia Tech, with an experienced Dodd enjoying the bowl trip without being able to participate in the game.
I remember Nova not having a good day against Louisville in 2013, throwing 4 picks when Rutgers was 4-1. While Dodd stood there holding Flood's clipboard, Nova's confidence was shattered that led to a 1-5 run and having to beat a 2-9 USF to save Flood's job.
But no, I don't remember knowing anything about Laviano other than he's the guy to come in for Rettig duty in the blowouts.
I remember 17 for 40 against Virginia Tech, with an experienced Dodd enjoying the bowl trip without being able to participate in the game.
I remember Nova not having a good day against Louisville in 2013, throwing 4 picks when Rutgers was 4-1. While Dodd stood there holding Flood's clipboard, Nova's confidence was shattered that led to a 1-5 run and having to beat a 2-9 USF to save Flood's job.
But no, I don't remember knowing anything about Laviano other than he's the guy to come in for Rettig duty in the blowouts.
Rettig may or may not be the answer, but hoping Laviano is, 2 season from now, is plain old stubborn and stupid beyond belief. This program is in trouble and the HC couldn't give 2 shits about it IMHO. He's gonna "do what we do and" until he's fired. Bottom line.
There we a lot of calls for Nova to be temporarily pulled when he was in one of his "bad Nova, 5 interceptions a game" stretches with the argument that A) he needed to be sent the message that his decision making was unacceptable and B) maybe gathering himself on the sidelines would snap him out of the "funk" and back into good Nova.
I don't remember a single call for Laviano to "replace" Nova.
I would have called for my sister to be inserted for Nova after some of his performances.
Uhhhhh how are people downplaying this? I remember PLENTY if calls and many people wanting Laviano to take the job out of camp in the first place. We clearly see why Nova was the QB
At least with Nova there were some great performances. This year, even at the Indiana game the throws were poor. That is how Caroo got hurt on an under thrown ball...
I do remember an ineffective Nova being pulled and Coach Schiano inserting Chas Dodd and winning a bowl game aginst Iowa State.
Someone pulled a quote from Hart when Schiano benched him in favor of Teel. Hart said it was an eye opener for him and made him check himself for the better. When Hart returned to playing he was much better.
OP is making shat up. There was never a movement by any of the fans to replace Nova with Laviano. And when Laviano did see action last year it was painfully obvious he wasn't P5 QB material. However I do remember all the excitement when Rettig transferred and the anticipation of finally having a blue blood QB at Rutgers. Some here even raved about Flood's recruiting prowess in getting a 4 star transfer from LSU. And then we waited for 2 years with the hope of seeing great QB play at RU. And now what do we get...no even a chance to see the guy play meaningful snaps while Laviano shows why he didn't receive another offer from a legitimate college football program. Meanwhile the RU football program falls deeper into the abys.
Ummmm....I think we all wish Laviano got more than BS reps last year...maybe the kid would be a little more prepared...this all or nothing mantra on one QB development is the dumbest thing I have ever seen...Especially when the QB is ineffective!!! The only reason Rettig is in there is because we are losing by 40....if we are only losing by 20...then flood thinks it's perfectly fine to not develop our backup..guy is soooo stubborn...the man better be thanking his lucky stars daily that Smith and Fridge saved his ass in year 1 and 3....watch, RU will once again try to put a ace bandage on this mess and instead of firing flood, try to get a TOP OC and DC...but guess what... The writing is on the wall for flood this time...NO ONE is going to come here with a lame duck head coach...START OVER!!!
Give Laviano a shot when Nova was in the tank, absolutely. Just like everyone (well most people) want Rettig to get a chance when Laviano is in the tank. Is that hard for OP to comprehend?
It has always bothered me that Flood and Schiano allowed the starting QB to prove well beyond a reasonable doubt that he wasn't doing the job before getting pulled. In the last three weeks, Laviano has completed only 25 passes in 60 attempts for 245 yards (IN THREE GAMES!) with 0 TDs and 3 Ints for a 65.97 NCAA passer rating (Caleb Rowe of Maryland is ranked #115 which is the lowest rated passer with the minimum attempts at 74.86). I can understand this isn't entirely Lavaiano's fault, but it has been clear that he has been part of the problem. Laviano has not only been ineffective, but his lack of arm strength is allowing the defense to shrink the field to stop the running game. It is over once the defense contains the outside runs. At least Rettig, as well as Nova last year, has the arm strength to force the defense to defend more of the field which will open up some more lanes for the running game. The starting offense has not scored a TD since 6:37 of the 4th quarter in Indiana (186:37 since the last TD scored by the 1st team offense).
Nova was playing hurt after the Nebraska game and many wondered if a healthy Laviano was a better alternative. Unlike this year when Rettig has thrown big passes in the tiny windows of opportunity he's been given, Laviano clearly didn't have the arm to make plays downfield and that was the end of that. He didn't last year, he doesn't this year, he won't next year or the year after, yet onward we go....
People definitely wanted to replace Nova when he was having one of his awful games but I don't remember calls to make Laviano the starter. The calls were to let Lavisno throw the ball so we could see what he could do.
If you remember, every time he came in it was just to hand off.
If you remember, every time he came in it was just to hand off.
The back up QB is always the most popular player at every program.
It's possible that Rettig just isn't any better. He hasn't come in and lit it up.
Most of you wanted Nova replaced but it should be obvious by now that keeping him was the best move-there was no one better behind him.
It's possible that Rettig just isn't any better. He hasn't come in and lit it up.
Most of you wanted Nova replaced but it should be obvious by now that keeping him was the best move-there was no one better behind him.
Some think that putting Retting in might result in the QB somehow making something happen that's not happening right now w/Laviano. And that, since Laviano isn't having great games against good competition (true), why not try something else.
So the idea is, try Rettig regardless of how much he may or may not have mastered the playbook. And regardless of what the coaching staff sees from him in practice. And regardless of the fact that, so far at least, Rettig hasn't exactly come in and lit up the world w/his throwing accuracy.
Of course, by that logic, we should be giving everybody on the team that can throw a decent spiral a chance to play QB just in case someone might have a better game than someone else. Maybe we can give each player 10 minutes to show what they can do.
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Or am I maybe being a bit too cynical about all this?
So the idea is, try Rettig regardless of how much he may or may not have mastered the playbook. And regardless of what the coaching staff sees from him in practice. And regardless of the fact that, so far at least, Rettig hasn't exactly come in and lit up the world w/his throwing accuracy.
Of course, by that logic, we should be giving everybody on the team that can throw a decent spiral a chance to play QB just in case someone might have a better game than someone else. Maybe we can give each player 10 minutes to show what they can do.
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Or am I maybe being a bit too cynical about all this?
Yes! Of course. That had to be it because it explains everything.
He was throwing blackmail pics of Flood and Hermann and Barchi having a threesome. How else did he get to stay in the game after 6 interceptions? LOL
And, to the OP, he should have gotten more playing time, when Nova was sucking up the the field. Just because a QB, finally hits his stride 4 years later, does not mean that the backup should be completely relegated to the bench. As stated the backup QB is only one play away from starting. And, if he has no clue what to expect because he doesn't play when it counts, then what could have been a great season, relegates to mediocrity, and again waiting for next year.
It is the reponsibility of the coach to get both QB's ready, and not just in practice! I'll say it again, Nova was HORRIBLE in his first 3 years, the backups should have received much more playing time. We sometimes forget HOW bad Nova was, because he was at least playable his Senior year. It is by no accident that he is currently searching want ads, while sitting at home.
And, now that CL is clearly showing his inability to be a Div.I QB, the current backup is wondering "what happened!" Oh yeah, same coach.
It is the reponsibility of the coach to get both QB's ready, and not just in practice! I'll say it again, Nova was HORRIBLE in his first 3 years, the backups should have received much more playing time. We sometimes forget HOW bad Nova was, because he was at least playable his Senior year. It is by no accident that he is currently searching want ads, while sitting at home.
And, now that CL is clearly showing his inability to be a Div.I QB, the current backup is wondering "what happened!" Oh yeah, same coach.
And, we know that why? Nova sucked for 3 years, and I'm being kind. Any coach who has a guy like HR on the bench, and his starter can't throw the ball more than 40 yards without winding up, and doesn't use him should be benched, fired, or worse asked to teach math!
Rettig deserves to play with the regulars, or even start.
I also hate the way our current QB, threw his center under the bus, when asked about the problems with snaps. Any one out there who has ever played the position of QB, will tell you that 99% of a fumbled snap is on the QB! Flood even alluded to the fact that the center was "a little" late with the snap. Bull&hit! Then why was the rest of the line still in formation, and no penalty called for movement? Because it wasn't the center or line which first, it was the QB who pulled out sooner than he should! So, Flood would rather throw his own line/center under the buss than admit his QB is pulling out to soon! Nice!
If we had a decent O-line then perhaps Laviano's arm is less a factor... Keith Lumpkin and Dorian Miller have played ok at times but 4 **** Chris Muller, Derrick Nelson and JJ.Denmann have not been consistent...Applefield ( highly touted but does he ever see the field anymore?)...Tariq Cole...Heeman have not played enough to even be given a fair evaluation...This year it is about poor coaching and lack of quality back ups all around...
I'm a little biased, but I think Miller has played very well, all things considering. One of the few brights spots this season. If we had a team of kids like him, we'd be having a great season.
The development of the backups is the same reason why some of the starters stink... poor coaching and schemes. Rutgers has some coaches who are poor at their job and they're responsible for developing key positions on the team. Those key positions are the lynchpin to the team's success or failure.
Nova was beginning his senior year. No one said that, and if someone did (unlikely), they were shouted down quickly. I was never a Nova believer, but going into his final season, no one didn't think he should be the starter with Dodd gone.
It's pretty simple. You have 12- 15 drives a game. The goal is to score TD's on four or five of them. You have a running game, a short passing game, a intermediate passing game and deep strikes, as your potential arsenal.
Regardless of what Rettig knows or doesn't know, he has an intermediate passing game and has shown an ability to drop the ball in on stride on longer throws. The other QB has no intermediate passing game and has come up short on nearly all his deep balls, even the passes that worked.
So, who gives you a better chance to score TD's? We've seen the whole defense daring us to hurt them with intermediate and deep balls and we can't. It's like having an entire baseball lineup where the shift is on for every player, every game, with a bench full of players who can hit it the opposite way and the manager refusing to play them even though he can't get any hits with what he illogically attempted to begin with.
And I don't get what Rettig has done to cast a lot of doubt. He was flawless in the opener. Had the only scoring drive vs. OSU. Had the best offensive play vs. Wisconsin. And had zero chance vs. Michigan with the second team line but avoided sacks on two plays and on the third, even Laviano would have been on his back. He can hand the ball to the RB's, so you don't risk the only thing that works. And he's shown he will move the ball. Maybe not every series but when you have 12-15, why is it such a reach to think he wouldn't have successful drives when you've seen him do it vs. OSU, Wisconsin and the opener?
Will he get sacked? Sure. So you punt from five to ten yards deeper than you would have off a Laviano 1 yard completion. It's not about the times he's sacked, it's about the odds he'll be successful the three, four or five drives a game you need. Righ now, we have little chance. QB can't make the throws. How much more do you want to see?
Flood fell in love with Laviano's ability to get in and out of plays, avoid the sack and the picks and move around back there to mitigate the rush. But it's all about throwing the damn ball. Look at Tom Savage in the NFL. There are 10,000 college athletes you can train quickly to handle the rush better than he can, Yet he's in the NFL. Why? Because it's all about the arm. Without it, you're a bb gun offense, short passes, stalled drives, little chance of scoring enough to win.
Yet we continue.
We have a double standard with the QB position. We mix and match everywhere...quotes like "I don't think in terms of starters....just because a player doesn't start does not mean he is not going to play a majority of the game..." blah blah blah blaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh.....That is true in all but one position, the QB...AND GUESS WHAT, our QB's have been historically bad. In fact, it is almost gut wrenching to watch as they implode in on themselves time and time again...from Teel, to Savage (he actually got yanked when he should have, it is a shame he transferred), to Nova to Laviano...... Maybe that double standard is shit!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know about anyone else, but I am sick and tired of coddling our QB and having to be happy that he played well his last 4 games before graduation. Cue the Twilight Zone music because we are in it!!
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