Rene Decommited

[RU2055]

Old staff message to kids:
Come to Rutgers, we need you. You are the best. You will play right away. We don't have anybody on the team now that's got your talent. This is why we need you. If you come, we will play for the national championship one day. What say you?

New staff message:
Come to Rutgers, we are building a world class organization. We are changing the culture and we want you to be a part of it. The new culture will entail working your arse off - nothing will be handed to you - you have to work hard for playing time. THIS is the new culture. If you are up for it, you are welcome here. If not, well then we encourage you to look elsewhere. We don't talk about championships yet. We build it right, the championships will come. But when we're done, you better believe we'll be competing for and winning championships. What say you?

 

[KJ_RU]

The one thing that we've learned over Flood's tenure was that dozens of kids committed to him during the year only to decommit late, that pattern hasn't changed. It doesn't surprise me when any of Flood's recruits decommit because most were looking around since their commitment.

Ash said himself that he wasn't going to pursue the decommits because he wanted players that truly wanted to be at Rutgers, to me that says alot. Folks thought Flood was recruiting 'Rutgers Men' that truly wanted to be here...the fact is he recruited guys that we're willing to commit to RU but were even more willing to decommit for what they thought were better offers, that's been the kind of kid Flood has recruited for 3 years.

Ash has it right when he talks about changing the culture and perception of Rutgers football, in the future we'll get quality recruits that really want to be here, not a bunch of guys willing to commit until what they really want comes along.

 

[jonS]

You can't fix stupid

............you can only vote it out.

 

[Rokodesh]

this is too vitriolic. there was a coaching change. grow up.

+1

 

[mildone]

We will be lucky to have 15 in this class when all is said and done.

Don't know about you or anyone else, but I expected that a coaching change, while necessary this or next season, was always going to result in a tough couple years of recruiting unless we hired some huge name, which was always unlikely. Is why I kept pointing out to people joyfully pushing to fire Flood (which we all know needed to happen) that firing him was the easy part and was getting much too much "press" here. It's what happens after we fired him that was always the important thing.

What happens with other schools is irrelevant. We are not other schools. Here, in our situation, at this school at this time, this recruiting situation was always the most likely one after a coaching change.

Things will certainly improve and we now have a much higher upside, IMO. But people are going to have be patient. Or they can be impatient and unhappy if they so choose. But it's gonna take time either way.

 

[mildone]

This. We saw the mass exodus of Recruits under Flood in 2014, this is the same story different year.
No pride in their home state . Adios.

Someone needs to explain to me why anybody would have pride in their home state or in any other state. I was born and raised and lived most of my life in NJ. I have absolutely zero pride in that. I can't understand why I should. It's a geographic coincidence. Who takes pride in a geographic coincidence? And why? What's to be proud of?

Not singling you out w/my question, @RU#1fan, because the state pride thing is very common (and not just here in NJ). I just don't get it and am curious why people think it's a thing.

 

[RUSK97]

Someone needs to explain to me why anybody would have pride in their home state or in any other state. I was born and raised and lived most of my life in NJ. I have absolutely zero pride in that. I can't understand why I should. It's a geographic coincidence. Who takes pride in a geographic coincidence? And why? What's to be proud of?

Not singling you out w/my question, @RU#1fan, because the state pride thing is very common (and not just here in NJ). I just don't get it and am curious why people think it's a thing.

Mildone, you said you're from NJ. Of course you don't understand why it's a thing.

 

[mildone]

Mildone, you said you're from NJ. Of course you don't understand why it's a thing.

I get your point, but it wouldn't matter where I'm from. It's still an geographic coincidence.

 

[RUSK97]

Don't know about you or anyone else, but I expected that a coaching change, while necessary this or next season, was always going to result in a tough couple years of recruiting unless we hired some huge name, which was always unlikely. Is why I kept pointing out to people joyfully pushing to fire Flood (which we all know needed to happen) that firing him was the easy part and was getting much too much "press" here. It's what happens after we fired him that was always the important thing.

What happens with other schools is irrelevant. We are not other schools. Here, in our situation, at this school at this time, this recruiting situation was always the most likely one after a coaching change.

Things will certainly improve and we now have a much higher upside, IMO. But people are going to have be patient. Or they can be impatient and unhappy if they so choose. But it's gonna take time either way.

Agree with most everything you said here mildone, but I don't understand why what happens with other schools is irrelevant? Other schools represent a point of reference, not to mention that these schools are direct and indirect competition.

 

[RUSK97]

I get your point, but it wouldn't matter where I'm from. It's still an geographic coincidence.

Theoretically yes, but presumably your parent(s) chose where to live. It probably wasn't that much of an option to move around then like it is now, but they chose it because of a reason, be it proximity to family, to quality jobs, quality of life, or whatever. It's the place to played a part in setting up the person that you are and allowed your parent(s) to raise you the way they saw fit. It plays a part in the values and view of the greater world around you. How can that not be significant?

 

[mildone]

Agree with most everything you said here mildone, but I don't understand why what happens with other schools is irrelevant? Other schools represent a point of reference, not to mention that these schools are direct and indirect competition.

Different schools have different recruiting situations. There are lots of variables in play, school history, locale, timing, facilities, perceptions, and on and on.

We forum folks like to casually draw parallels to other schools, but those comparisons are inherently flawed. If we want to make a valid comparison, we'd need to aggregate lots of data points over a reasonably long period of time and even then, it's just statistics. Each situation is unique.

Of course it's always valid to say our recruiting sucks this year. It's just not necessarily valid to conclude that, because some theoretically similar program did better, that we've done something wrong (short of hiring a huge name coach).

I'm saying, basically, let's try to not panic and melt down over recruiting this or next season. This should've been expected, for us, based on our unique situation in terms of the various factors involved in recruiting.

 

[kapyoche]

I think the best way to do this is to have a draft if a kid wants a football scholie. All the kid can commit to is a conference not a school. They get drafted on the draft day. I have no idea why this has never been considered.

 

[RUSK97]

I think the best way to do this is to have a draft if a kid wants a football scholie. All the kid can commit to is a conference not a school. They get drafted on the draft day. I have no idea why this has never been considered.

It's not the pros...these are supposed to be student-athletes. They are only allowed to practice a certain number of hours a week. The rest of the time, they're students attending classes and socializing and doing what other students do. That's why they get to choose where they want to go.

 

[nick614]

Yeah I mean what safety would want to play for a coach who has both safeties in a position to be drafted in the top 4 rounds of the same NFL draft. Definitely not interested in that.

 

[Rokodesh]

I think the best way to do this is to have a draft if a kid wants a football scholie. All the kid can commit to is a conference not a school. They get drafted on the draft day. I have no idea why this has never been considered.

they are college kids, 95% of which will never make it to the pro's, why would you assign them to colleges that may or may not be a good fit, that could affect the rest of their lives after graduation. Terrible idea. A college student can go wherever the hell they want, just because they play a sport doesn't put a restriction on them.

 

[RutgersROB]

new coaching staff has reached out to Flood recruit and 3* safety Timothy Poindexter from Cardinal Hayes on Bronx and said his offer is still on the table

 

[RUInsanity]

Not to worry. @ArminRU says everything will be OK.

Wow. Never had you pegged as someone who would join the ranks of the reactionary negative d!ckhead crew. "The Tie" not coming here really must have hit you hard. Not to worry though...if RU had just followed the Maryland Coaching Recipe as you wanted them to then we would not be losing any recruits......oh wait.....

 

[RUinCANADA]

Sorry to hear it. Had an ear in close to this one, and he would have come had Flood stayed.

Lately, I hadn't been many things about Patrice and realized it might have been because it wasn't a good thing for Rutgers, and the person knew.

 

[RUinPinehurst]

............you can only vote it out.

You compartmentalize it. And then you flood that compartment.

 

[ArminRU]

Not to worry. @ArminRU says everything will be OK.

How's your dream team coaching staff doing again? Whoops.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Sorry to hear it. Had an ear in close to this one, and he would have come had Flood stayed.

Oh, boy - there are gonna be a lot of people who will try to shout you down on that one.

 

[DJ Spanky]

You compartmentalize it. And then you flood that compartment.

I thought it was: "If you love something, let it go. If it comes back it was meant to be. If it doesn't, hunt it down and kill it."

 

[RUTGERZ_R00LZ]

Someone needs to explain to me why anybody would have pride in their home state or in any other state. I was born and raised and lived most of my life in NJ. I have absolutely zero pride in that. I can't understand why I should. It's a geographic coincidence. Who takes pride in a geographic coincidence? And why? What's to be proud of?

Not singling you out w/my question, @RU#1fan, because the state pride thing is very common (and not just here in NJ). I just don't get it and am curious why people think it's a thing.

Do you take pride in being an American? After all, it's just a geographical coincidence. Although, I agree that some take state pride to an incredible extreme. Texas anyone?

 

[Fzacsattac]

If Ash is credited with creating a terrific d-line at Ohio St. and is seen as a "players coach", why haven't any of the guys he's recruited at Ohio St. jumped ship to join him at RU?

 

[RUTBAY]

I've never bagged on a decomitt on these forums before but if what appears to be true about him leaning toward UNC then I gotta say good riddens. If UNC gets what they deserve then I have no sympathy for anyone who commits there with everything that is known about how corrupt that program is. Where are this kids parents?

 

[RUNVA]

I also think that when they started to see and hear about the early workout and how tough it was going to be many may have had second thoughts. It all sounds good until the rubber meets the road. I remember going through airborne school, to become a paratrooper. There was 400 bad A$$ all wanting to earn their wings. The black hat said at the beginning of week one, " Look to the left of you, by the end of the week that person will not be there. He was right. Week two he said the same thing and he was right. We lost 75% of the class before jump week and graduation. Fight or Flight. Ash comes across as a hard driver and some may not be up for it.

 

[JGeorge322]

i grew up probably before you were born..you still haven't learned to play well with other's...clown..Taysir Mack picks up PSU offer...

Step off the ledge pal

 

[MADHAT1]

If Ash is credited with creating a terrific d-line at Ohio St. and is seen as a "players coach", why haven't any of the guys he's recruited at Ohio St. jumped ship to join him at RU?

 

[RUinCANADA]

Oh, boy - there are gonna be a lot of people who will try to shout you down on that one.

I'd rather have no Flood, and lose Rene with it. When Flood was let go, I knew there might be the chance he doesn't come here as he really was a coaching staff commit (Fraser as well).

 

[nirrad]

He said he fell in love with the academics really Rene?

 

[RU62]

Academics...wow. I guess they assured him that his grades were already listed on his transcript given the fiasco thst they are being investigated by the NCAA among others for. No offense to Rene and UNC in general but the entire academic violations and the NCAA are a joke. If they finally go on probation etc maybe he just might switch our way again.

 

[NickyNewark51]

Step off the ledge pal

lol....you're obsessed with me...WGAS...only you.

 

[NY AGENTMAN]

Someone needs to explain to me why anybody would have pride in their home state or in any other state. I was born and raised and lived most of my life in NJ. I have absolutely zero pride in that. I can't understand why I should. It's a geographic coincidence. Who takes pride in a geographic coincidence? And why? What's to be proud of

Not singling you out w/my question, @RU#1fan, because the state pride thing is very common (and not just here in NJ). I just don't get it and am curious why people think it's a thing.

Your statement reflects the opinion of 50-60% of New Jersey residents. Do u have pride in your home? I mean it is just a roof over your head, do you have pride in your community? It is about appreciating where you live. If u like where you live you will defend it. Rutgers as the state U is part of that equation. Many NJ residents have more pride sending their kids to out of state universities that are not even as good as Rutgers academically yet brag about their kids being there. I have traveled to most states in the US and NJ as a whole has the least pride of any state I know. There are states with half the resources, educational opportunities and cultural experiences yet they have twice the pride. I don't know if you can ever change that culture in one generation. That is why it is a "thing"!

 

[NickyNewark51]

Your statement reflects the opinion of 50-60% of New Jersey residents. Do u have pride in your home? I mean it is just a roof over your head, do you have pride in your community? It is about appreciating where you live. If u like where you live you will defend it. Rutgers as the state U is part of that equation. Many NJ residents have more pride sending their kids to out of state universities that are not even as good as Rutgers academically yet brag about their kids being there. I have traveled to most states in the US and NJ as a whole has the least pride of any state I know. There are states with half the resources, educational opportunities and cultural experiences yet they have twice the pride. I don't know if you can ever change that culture in one generation. That is why it is a "thing"!

As much as people rag on WV theirs PRIDE there...i admire that...and even in the service everyone had the regional pride...i don't trust those without pride..

 

[DJ Spanky]

I've lived in the Midwest and in the Southwest: if you've never lived outside of NJ, you have no concept of what state pride is. And without having experienced it, I'm not sure how to explain it if you don't have a reference.

 

[NickyNewark51]

I get your point, but it wouldn't matter where I'm from. It's still an geographic coincidence.

That maybe we can't control....but pride is something you can...its on you not by chance or coincidence.

 

[NickyNewark51]

I've lived in the Midwest and in the Southwest: if you've never lived outside of NJ, you have no concept of what state pride is. And without having experienced it, I'm not sure how to explain it if you don't have a reference.

shoot...i was born proud in North Newark...either you hold your head up and walk like a man or..........you get it.

 

[NickyNewark51]

I thought it was: "If you love something, let it go. If it comes back it was meant to be. If it doesn't, hunt it down and kill it."

love the sentiment DJ Spanky..

 

[LevaosLectures]

Not only is mildone right, but his point could be extended to national pride/patriotism as well. I like rooting for USMNT soccer and Rutgers, but beyond those "fun" things count me as very very suspicious of any kind of jingoism. There's nothing whatever wrong with loving your "place," but I get a little queasy when the "my place is better than yours" arguments start.

 

[JGeorge322]

lol....you're obsessed with me...WGAS...only you.

Im obsessed because you responded to a post of mine and I responded back. Put the bong down.