I believe the plan is to have JVB at 57 and RL at 65 for the rest of the year. Can't wait to see how we respond at Midlands.
Richie Lewis
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I would think 57 would be better for JVB,was a small 65 lber(not a big 57 as is),57 plays to his strengths(length/leverage)@65 guys are too big with too much horse power.Not sure JVB qualifies @65,much better shot @57
i have a close friend ,almost like a brother who works pt security at the meadowlands with ns brother...the brother said the kid was miserable at ped st., and couldn't be happier to be home. the bro told him nick is a gym rat, and is in a constant training mode 24/7....if this makes him a lone wolf give me a team of wolves like nick suriano.
You make some great points. Not only does Penn State wrestle their big guns in every dual, they are constantly working for bonus points. It's the attitude Cael has created and it pays off big time in March.
They are constantly working for bonus points because they are constantly overmatching their competition. Its not like you just decide one day to go for bonus points. The recruits PSU is getting are guys who are scorers. Not all guys are scorers, and you don't simply become one because you want to. It's not like our staff is not preaching offense, aggression and the need for bonus. Of course they are.
And they are constantly working in the room against elite competition and striving to get better. They don't view duals as practice. Team results are always at the forefront. Listen to any interview at nationals. Every wrestler knows what they have to do to help the team.
I am not sure what your point is. Do you think Richie's comments about practice reflect the beliefs of the rest of the team and the staff? Of course they don't. It was just an unfortunate comment made by a student talking about his personal motivations.
Of course team results are at the forefront at nationals when you are going for a team title. That is only true for 2 or 3 teams though, depending on the year. Everyone else is there for individual results.
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I don't know what his comments reflect. My guess is there is a little me first attitude and desire to do things his own way. Maybe that's part of the reason Suriano is at Rutgers. Have no idea what his personal reasons were, but from a wrestling perspective, it made no sense.
Why would RIchie's "me first" attitude have anything to do with Suriano? Or is the point that all Rutgers wrestlers have a bad attitude?
In any event, I am glad we got to the root of it. You are now the 1000th PSU fan to come by and say Nick made a bad decision coming to Rutgers. None of you seem to get he was completely miserable at PSU, and that isn't good for the performance of any elite athlete. Mental health and balance is a critical part of athletic success.
Yet when Gravina is wrestling Bowman on Friday and has the right idea about the approach in the first period (wants to cut Bowman to play the takedown game to get a major or more) to get bonus, he's directed to ride instead. When DelV is in the same position against an overmatched 133, the coaching staff again directs him to ride instead of going for the tech.
They can say what they want, the evidence is the culture is not being built like it should be and their in-match management belies the rhetoric.
This is the 1001th fan and I won't say he made a bad decision - nor have I ever. College is and should be about more than just wrestling even if you are among the best of the best. You only get to experience that 4 or 5 years (or in some cases 7 or 8) of your life once. There is room for all parties to have acted properly while also acting in their own self interests. I also understand that this may not play out publicly that way as there are other considerations - like getting a waiver.
I never said all Rutgers wrestlers have a bad attitude or that Suriano made a bad decision. I said I have no idea what drove his decision. If he was miserable, then he made the absolute right call. From a pure wrestling perspective, the move does not make sense. Lewis seems to focus more on personal goals than team. You would think a wrestler of Suriano's caliber would know how the top wrestlers at RU work and are coached etc. Maybe that is an environment that suits Nick better. Maybe he really wanted to be closer to home and RU is obviously the best choice in that case. Suriano is an elite wrestler and Rutgers will provide strong coaching and every opportunity to achieve his goals.
I agree with this ..I was wondering myself after RL lost that we needed bonus from Nick but it didn't seem he or coaches saw the need ...at least it didn't appear that way
Gravina looked like he was working for a pin right from the opening whistle. That's team wrestling. $$$$
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Really glad I bought 6 season tickets to watch 7 practices this season. That was a great purchase, I'll be sure to get more next year. If they're going to take these matches as practice, I'm not going to pay to see it.
Slight exaggeration. Great schedule, but the team lost to Lock Haven. What did you expect?
I don't know as much as many of you on hear since I am just a fan. I have to admit this discussion is disheartening. Hope things aren't as bad as some of you guys have posted and if they are I hope they get fixed. This can still be a great season for Rutgers wrestling.
Shouldn't be disheartening. RU wrestling has made some nice strides since joining BIG and that will continue.
Honestly, the interview isn't as bad as some are claiming it to be on here. You can't judge him on his 2nd Folkstyle match in like 9 months. He was pretty honest when speaking, he said that he was overconfident after winning Worlds and this loss is humbling. Judge him on how he responds to this, it could end up being a positive thing in the long run.
Take the comments here with a large grain of salt, and consider the source on some of them. While Ashnault getting hurt and losing the Lock Haven dual put a damper on things, this is still almost guaranteed to be our best year ever come March. You cannot get to where we want to be without some bumps in the road.
Agree. Just saw the interview. RL sayin it was best thing that couldve happened in encouraging. Hes taking it as a wake up call.
He debuts at #14 Intermat 165 rankings, 1 spot behind Marinelli. No one from Marinelli up changed positions, so this ranking makes sense.
http://intermatwrestle.com/rankings/college/165
http://intermatwrestle.com/rankings/college/165
Not for wrestlers to take duals as practice. Try following the thread before you reply, my post wasn't made in a vacuum. The comment of, "this right here is practice(after Iowa match), I'm a tournament guy" was quite uninspiring for some of us fans.
P.S. I've had season tickets for a few years now. I don't expect a lot, but Richie Lewis lost a fan of his that day.
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You will see RL at 165 for the rest of the year and JVB at 157. Hopefully All will be happy with that
So it is decided. I think JVB has a real shot at AA this year at 157. Hopefully Richie comes out with fire in Midlands.
getting back up to speed with wrestlers of a lower intensity perhaps
Thank you for explaining Lucky. While listening to RL’s interview I think he was referring to dual meets as “practice” when he really meant the main goal is in March for Big Tens and NCAAs. He used a poor phrase of words. My opinion
But he has about 20 pounds on Suriano. That doesn't sound great for his progress. Wouldn't a better solution be for Suriano and DelV to cut down to 3/4 speed when working with him? I like the idea of working with smaller guys when rehabbing overall.
So what you are saying is, despite the fact that you have no idea as to his condition or where Ash is in his rehab, you have a negative view of this recent news, and suspect the coaches are mishandling the situation?
Well, I for one am shocked.
What do you make of this:
Zain: #1 ranked 141 in HS, 2-time NC, 104-3, career bonus 74%, 18/39 bonus matches over guys ranked in top 20.
Heil: #1 ranked 133 in HS, 2-time NC, 115-13, career bonus 37.5%, 0/39 bonus matches over guys ranked in top 20.
Can someone please shoot these PA guys lol. Or at least boot them.
QUOTE="pawrestlersintn, post: 3065674, member: 47257"]What do you make of this:
Zain: #1 ranked 141 in HS, 2-time NC, 104-3, career bonus 74%, 18/39 bonus matches over guys ranked in top 20.
Heil: #1 ranked 133 in HS, 2-time NC, 115-13, career bonus 37.5%, 0/39 bonus matches over guys ranked in top 20.[/QUOTE]
I’ll respond.
1. What was each of their bonus rates in HS? Without that, how can you compare the “development”?
2. Zain is a generational talent. He has beaten olympians and wrestled on the US national team. Heil is a tremendous wrestler but not at that level.
3. There is way higher top to bottom quality at 141 than 149 and has been for a few years.
With that said PSU has done a great job helping Zain reach his potential. Kudos. Iowa did a great job developing Gilman. Nebraska did a great job developing Burroughs and Green, etc...
Zain: #1 ranked 141 in HS, 2-time NC, 104-3, career bonus 74%, 18/39 bonus matches over guys ranked in top 20.
Heil: #1 ranked 133 in HS, 2-time NC, 115-13, career bonus 37.5%, 0/39 bonus matches over guys ranked in top 20.[/QUOTE]
I’ll respond.
1. What was each of their bonus rates in HS? Without that, how can you compare the “development”?
2. Zain is a generational talent. He has beaten olympians and wrestled on the US national team. Heil is a tremendous wrestler but not at that level.
3. There is way higher top to bottom quality at 141 than 149 and has been for a few years.
With that said PSU has done a great job helping Zain reach his potential. Kudos. Iowa did a great job developing Gilman. Nebraska did a great job developing Burroughs and Green, etc...
I am not sure what you can make of it? Zain bonuses more then Heil? You are comparing a notoriously low-scoring guy, who is probably very lucky to have 2 NCs to what, the highest or second-highest bonus percentage in NCAA wrestling?
Frankly, I think it supports my contention that guys are either scorers or they aren't. Heil very talented...but not a scorer, despite the fact that he is on an Ok. St. team that consistently has a very high bonus percentage. So its not coaching, its the wrestler.
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