Ron Harper is Quietly Shooting 40% From 3-Point Land Since Big Ten Play Started

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Ohio state played great yesterday and we weren't gonna win regardless but one of the head scratchers to me was pikiell insisting on playing Peter Kiss over Ron Harper for stretches at a time.

Ron does so many things well. He's a true triple threat with the ball in his hands, he can run the floor and lead fast breaks, he's a big body who can rebound, he's a great passer and has only turned the ball over 4 times in big ten play in 195 minutes played, he's a high iq player, hits foul shots (74% from the line in big ten play), can get to the rim late in the shot clock, plays solid defense.

It just made zero sense to me how pikiell can rationalize keeping a guy like Ron off the floor in favor of peter kiss. At a certain point, you have to just cut your losses and admit you made a mistake. No shame in going with an 8-man rotation, shit, some teams go with 7-man rotations.

 

[winfield102]

Him and Caleb need as much time as possible.

 

[scarletrat]

IMO, he will be the most valuable player and best player on the team by end of soph year.

Hope is he, Mathis, and Geo lead RU to tourney when Geo is a Senior.

 

[RUKnights86]

Ohio state played great yesterday and we weren't gonna win regardless but one of the head scratchers to me was pikiell insisting on playing Peter Kiss over Ron Harper for stretches at a time.

Ron does so many things well. He's a true triple threat with the ball in his hands, he can run the floor and lead fast breaks, he's a big body who can rebound, he's a great passer and has only turned the ball over 4 times in big ten play in 195 minutes played, he's a high iq player, hits foul shots (74% from the line in big ten play), can get to the rim late in the shot clock, plays solid defense.

It just made zero sense to me how pikiell can rationalize keeping a guy like Ron off the floor in favor of peter kiss. At a certain point, you have to just cut your losses and admit you made a mistake. No shame in going with an 8-man rotation, shit, some teams go with 7-man rotations.

I dont think it was overly head scratching in the game. I agree with you that Ron has a lot of great attributes but at times Ron seems passive with regards to taking shots as evident in his 1 shot attempt in 22 minutes. Peter has played better as of late off the bench so hes earned the right to play as well.

Pike will go with game flow and what he sees on the court as evident with 24 minutes off the bench for Caleb.

Ron will continue to progress and does have a high bball IQ and helps this team get in transition. I think his game will develop and if he can create his shot more or have that desire to get his like mathis does he will be a tremendous player for this program.

 

[Scarlet83]

I dont think it was overly head scratching in the game. I agree with you that Ron has a lot of great attributes but at times Ron seems passive with regards to taking shots as evident in his 1 shot attempt in 22 minutes.

I don’t think Ron is a passive or reluctant shooter at all. Except for the last game, he often finds numerous ways to get good shots up. And he is very decisive and confident when he is open and has a good look.

Last game was an aberration in that he only took 1 shot.

 

[RUKnights86]

I don’t think Ron is a passive shooter at all. Except for the last game, he often finds a way to get shots up. And he is very decisive when he shoots. Last game was an aberration in that he only took 1 shot.

I should have clarified in that last game he was. Overall I agree he seems confident and decisive when he shoots but this past game was not the case whether it was the matchup or situation. My only point was that nothing wrong with Kiss getting his time in that game as hes played well off the bench since getting some DNPs. Game flow will determine the rotation.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

I should have clarified in that last game he was. Overall I agree he seems confident and decisive when he shoots but this past game was not the case whether it was the matchup or situation. My only point was that nothing wrong with Kiss getting his time in that game as hes played well off the bench since getting some DNPs. Game flow will determine the rotation.

disagree, Kiss is worthless on the court. The only value he can ever serve is strictly as a catch and shoot and he doesn't have the quickest release so he basically has to be wide open to even have a chance of knocking down a 3. He's shooting 28% from 3 in big ten play and he's been awful on D, and rarely ever puts the ball on the floor.

I fully expect both Kiss and Issa to be completely worked out of the rotation next year. I mean you kinda have to when you consider we return all our guards who are pushing them out now PLUS mulcahy and young.

 

[80yrdPacheco]

The Caleb and Harp JR Highlights are coming soon.

 

[dkostus]

Ohio state played great yesterday and we weren't gonna win regardless but one of the head scratchers to me was pikiell insisting on playing Peter Kiss over Ron Harper for stretches at a time.

Ron does so many things well. He's a true triple threat with the ball in his hands, he can run the floor and lead fast breaks, he's a big body who can rebound, he's a great passer and has only turned the ball over 4 times in big ten play in 195 minutes played, he's a high iq player, hits foul shots (74% from the line in big ten play), can get to the rim late in the shot clock, plays solid defense.

It just made zero sense to me how pikiell can rationalize keeping a guy like Ron off the floor in favor of peter kiss. At a certain point, you have to just cut your losses and admit you made a mistake. No shame in going with an 8-man rotation, shit, some teams go with 7-man rotations.

Maybe Pikiell just doesnt have as much information and insight on the team and roster as you do? Perhaps he's also unsure what buttons the head coach is trying to push and how to do so? Let's get you in there!!!!

 

[dkostus]

disagree, Kiss is worthless on the court. The only value he can ever serve is strictly as a catch and shoot and he doesn't have the quickest release so he basically has to be wide open to even have a chance of knocking down a 3. He's shooting 28% from 3 in big ten play and he's been awful on D, and rarely ever puts the ball on the floor.

I fully expect both Kiss and Issa to be completely worked out of the rotation next year. I mean you kinda have to when you consider we return all our guards who are pushing them out now PLUS mulcahy and young.

I'm sure I will get called out by @Scangg for criticizing you calling a player "worthless." Its the a-holes like me that bring down the decorum here.

 

[Scarlet83]

disagree, Kiss is worthless on the court. The only value he can ever serve is strictly as a catch and shoot and he doesn't have the quickest release so he basically has to be wide open to even have a chance of knocking down a 3. He's shooting 28% from 3 in big ten play and he's been awful on D, and rarely ever puts the ball on the floor.

I fully expect both Kiss and Issa to be completely worked out of the rotation next year. I mean you kinda have to when you consider we return all our guards who are pushing them out now PLUS mulcahy and young.

KYK - It would be awesome if you could just refrain from calling players worthless etc. I have said before to you that everything isn’t 100% or 0%. There are a lot of numbers in between. I get what you are saying, but if you say it better, it will be received much much better by many others.

Just some free advice from a fellow passionate Knight.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Maybe Pikiell just doesnt have as much information and insight on the team and roster as you do? Perhaps he's also unsure what buttons the head coach is trying to push and how to do so? Let's get you in there!!!!

just sharing my opinion on a message board where people share their opinions

 

[dkostus]

I thought this was a thread about how great Ron Harper Jr. is, but it turned out to be a thread about our posters being d-bags.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

KYK - It would be awesome if you could just refrain from calling players worthless etc. I have said before to you that everything isn’t 100% or 0%. There are a lot of numbers in between. I get what you are saying, but if you say it better, it will be received much much better by many others.

Just some free advice from a fellow passionate Knight.

I hear ya. I guess my question would be simple. As mean as this may sound to the sensitive crowd, does Peter Kiss do a single thing better than ron harper?

 

[dkostus]

just sharing my opinion on a message board where people share their opinions

You sound like an asshole

 

[dkostus]

I hear ya. I guess my question would be simple. As mean as this may sound to the sensitive crowd, does Peter Kiss do a single thing better than ron harper?

I imagine their highly paid coach knows the answer.

 

[whofrewdatmataRU13]

I thought this was a thread about how great Ron Harper Jr. is, but it turned out to be a thread about our posters being d-bags.

Waiting for the "low class fans" to come into play

You are sensitive as fck, this isn't 1984

 

[dkostus]

Waiting for the "low class fans" to come into play

You are sensitive as fck, this isn't 1984

Didn't you already "come into play"?

 

[whofrewdatmataRU13]

Didn't you already "come into play"?

Yeah I invaded your safe space

 

[dkostus]

Yeah I invaded your safe space

Sounds dirty. I didn't realize you were that into aural.

 

[Shell21]

My guess is Pike is trying to get Kiss going and figures he’ll need him this year for whatever reason . I agree though that he should see limited minutes especially in tight games because he’s a live ball turnover machine . Although he is a good foul shooter so I can see why Pike might want him in at end of games.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Kyk

Here is the thing ...you know ...and I know that young and Mulchay next year make a 6 man rotation at the 1-4 with baker, Mulchay, young, Mathis, Harper and Eugene ...each getting 25-28 minutes...and Caleb gets the minutes when there is foul trouble

It’s clear that thiam and kiss are just not gojng to make the cut

So...given that this looks obvious, assuming no injury, just let kiss be what he is...a role play for this year that is getting passes over (just like thiam this year)

It’s obvious ...so no need to be ridic critical of kiss (and the same thing I have been saying of thiam)

 

[BOCA93]

I love RHJ’s game and he’s really surprised me with his versatility. I didn’t expect him to have as good a handle bringing the ball up the court especially running the break. And his D is definitely stepping up as evidenced by the job on Romeo 2 games ago. The arc on his shot bugs me but frankly he’s shooting the 3 as well as anyone on the team in conference play. He’s going look like a totally different player next year after an offseason of strength and conditioning.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Regarding Kiss.....

Staff is trying to build a program. Knows Peter Kiss is available. Has a 30 game college sample to evaluate. Knows they get a zero out of a scholarship in a year. They decide to take him.

We hear all last year how good he was. He gets a starting spot and starters minutes for the 1st 10 games or so. I assume he earned it as Shaq Carter wasn’t given minutes early.

Are we perhaps being way premature with Kiss. I have seen every minute, like a lot of fans who post, so I can’t disagree with the assessment so far, but......,

The only thing not making Peter Kiss a 40% 3 point shooter is 6 misses. Ron Harper and Kiss stats in B1G play a very similar.

I get all of us wanting Harper as a freshman to be a better player. Or Jacob Young too. Kiss is a 2-3 game streak where he knocks down 3s from the fan base turning their opinion.

Who on this roster haven’t we flipped on multiple times. EVERYONE!

Too early to write Kiss off. If you are you have to admit the coaching staff really screwed up here and quite frankly with 30+ NCAA games to watch were given the answer key.

Keep reading, maybe the next chapter will make the book interesting.

 

[dkostus]

Kyk

Here is the thing ...you know ...and I know that young and Mulchay next year make a 6 man rotation at the 1-4 with baker, Mulchay, young, Mathis, Harper and Eugene ...each getting 25-28 minutes...and Caleb gets the minutes when there is foul trouble

It’s clear that thiam and kiss are just not gojng to make the cut

So...given that this looks obvious, assuming no injury, just let kiss be what he is...a role play for this year that is getting passes over (just like thiam this year)

It’s obvious ...so no need to be ridic critical of kiss (and the same thing I have been saying of thiam)

Is this what you thought 10 games into the season, or are we all still lacking self awareness and cant see that players' arcs change throughout the year...

 

[dpwhite]

This board is very minute to minute. Kiss hit one of the big shots against nebraska.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Is this what you thought 10 games into the season, or are we all still lacking self awareness and cant see that players' arcs change throughout the year...

Yes...this is exactly what I thought 10 games

In fact ..five games ago I wrote a post that the coaching staff needed to coaching for the future at the same time as coaching to win
now...and that meant less minutes for thiam and kiss.



Then we went on to beat Ohio state without Eugene...and had our wining streak

I have documented thiam and kiss game and their issues . My biggest issue is that they Have significant issues as third year divisoon one players on DEFENSE. I could live with Issa for a role even with his shooting issues if he is a lights out defender. He isn’t. Kiss has settled down a played a little better defense recently ...but isn’t consistent enough there either.

So...i am not writing what I said as after the fact history...I’ve been quite consistent

I report what I see with my eyes...and root for every kid on the roster. They all represent the name on the front of the jersey equally. And o hope if kiss and thiam improve ...and earn minutes. Right now, I just see it as they are down in the pecking order ...

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Not that I don’t see the same....Why did coaching staff waste a roster spot last year so they can get Kiss?

Has McConnell and Harper really put any distance from Kiss? Fans are magnifying all the good things they are doing and magnifying all the bad with Kiss.

 

[dkostus]

Yes...this is exactly what I thought 10 games

In fact ..five games ago I wrote a post that the coaching staff needed to coaching for the future at the same time as coaching to win
now...and that meant less minutes for thiam and kiss.



Then we went on to beat Ohio state without Eugene...and had our wining streak

I have documented thiam and kiss game and their issues . My biggest issue is that they Have significant issues as third year divisoon one players on DEFENSE. I could live with Issa for a role even with his shooting issues if he is a lights out defender. He isn’t. Kiss has settled down a played a little better defense recently ...but isn’t consistent enough there either.

So...i am not writing what I said as after the fact history...I’ve been quite consistent

I report what I see with my eyes...and root for every kid on the roster. They all represent the name on the front of the jersey equally. And o hope if kiss and thiam improve ...and earn minutes. Right now, I just see it as they are down in the pecking order ...

Thiam has had issues defending as his confidence has waned, but has been on of the best on ball defenders we've had over the last season and a half. The last 1/3 of this season notwithstanding, I fail to see how such an observant fan could come to your conclusions.

Whatever though. Bless your heart.

 

[Scarlet83]

I hear ya. I guess my question would be simple. As mean as this may sound to the sensitive crowd, does Peter Kiss do a single thing better than ron harper?

Dude, I am far from being sensitive. I am old school. But you can completely get your point across without being so rough/dicky.

I agree with you that Harper brings alot to our team. I think he can be our best player on the entire team as early as mid next year. You can say he is producing more than Kiss and get your point across. You don’t have to say that someone is worthless. That shit complete turns off a lot of people. These guys are Scarlet Knights and they are trying their best to compete. I respect that. And if someone can’t produce enough, they will get passed by a better player. But as long as they are working hard, doing the right thing, I respect their effort. Again, if they don’t produce, they will be passed.

Pike’s mantra is, “I play the best, and I am fair to the rest.”

KYK - be fair to the rest.

 

[Scarlet83]

I thought this was a thread about how great Ron Harper Jr. is, but it turned out to be a thread about our posters being d-bags.

I think Harper is awesome. I love his game.

With more lifting and training, and more shooting. Harper is going to kill it next year.

 

[dkostus]

I think Harper is awesome. I love his game.

With more lifting and training, and more shooting. Harper is going to kill it next year.

I agree, completely

 

[RUChow]

Ohio state played great yesterday and we weren't gonna win regardless but one of the head scratchers to me was pikiell insisting on playing Peter Kiss over Ron Harper for stretches at a time.

Ron does so many things well. He's a true triple threat with the ball in his hands, he can run the floor and lead fast breaks, he's a big body who can rebound, he's a great passer and has only turned the ball over 4 times in big ten play in 195 minutes played, he's a high iq player, hits foul shots (74% from the line in big ten play), can get to the rim late in the shot clock, plays solid defense.

It just made zero sense to me how pikiell can rationalize keeping a guy like Ron off the floor in favor of peter kiss. At a certain point, you have to just cut your losses and admit you made a mistake. No shame in going with an 8-man rotation, shit, some teams go with 7-man rotations.

disagree, Kiss is worthless on the court. The only value he can ever serve is strictly as a catch and shoot and he doesn't have the quickest release so he basically has to be wide open to even have a chance of knocking down a 3. He's shooting 28% from 3 in big ten play and he's been awful on D, and rarely ever puts the ball on the floor.

I fully expect both Kiss and Issa to be completely worked out of the rotation next year. I mean you kinda have to when you consider we return all our guards who are pushing them out now PLUS mulcahy and young.

Stop with the worthless. In every one one of your basketball posts you talk down the kid - almost like you have an axe to grind. Number one, he hit several big threes down the stretch in two of our last three wins, plus six consecutive foul shots in one of them that might have even won the game. I also paid close attention to his defense in our last home win. It wasn't nearly as bad as you keep saying. Let it go.

 

[RUChow]

Dude, I am far from being sensitive. I am old school. But you can completely get your point across without being so rough/dicky.

I agree with you that Harper brings alot to our team. I think he can be our best player on the entire team as early as mid next year. You can say he is producing more than Kiss and get your point across. You don’t have to say that someone is worthless. That shit complete turns off a lot of people. These guys are Scarlet Knights and they are trying their best to compete. I respect that. And if someone can’t produce enough, they will get passed by a better player. But as long as they are working hard, doing the right thing, I respect their effort. Again, if they don’t produce, they will be passed.

Pike’s mantra is, “I play the best, and I am fair to the rest.”

KYK - be fair to the rest.

Well said. EO is the best player on the team and Harper is the most complete player.

 

[RU82]

I like Harper’s upside but I can’t see him surpassing Omoruyi as our best player next season. Eugene is a legit stud who has really found his game.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Fans want Harper to be the most complete player. Take a look at his game log. More often than not he is on the bench in crunch time.

Let’s stop putting freshman on a pedastool and then kill them as sophomore and juniors

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Fans want Harper to be the most complete player. Take a look at his game log. More often than not he is on the bench in crunch time.

Let’s stop putting freshman on a pedastool and then kill them as sophomore and juniors

I agree with that. There needs to be a pump the breaks...

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

I agree with that. There needs to be a pump the breaks...

Ehh usually people say we write off freshman too early. Whatever fits the narrative

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

No. Formula is usually anywhere between 1 1/3 years to 1 2/3 years.

 

[SkilletHead2]

The point here is simple. You can voice an opinion without trashing a young man who plays for RU. Easy to say, "Don't understand why X doesn't get the minutes Y is currently getting," without saying, "Y is worthless." Every kid who plays for RU plays better than almost any one of us ever did.