The reason why fans are more critical of Kiss is because he's at the 1 2/3 year mark with an additional year of practice to boot. He's ahead of McConnell and Harper in the development cycle, but he's not contributing any more than they are.
I really cannot understand why some of our posters are always criticizing some of our players.
I didn’t put anyone on a pedastool, as you say. WTF is a pedastool? Lol. And the brakes don’t need to be pumped. And I don’t kill our players when they underperform.
I said I love Harper’s game. His skills, his IQ, the little things that come naturally to him, his passion and his fearlessness. I don’t appreciate people telling me what to think. Harper is talented and developing. I believe after 4 years, he has a chance to be seen among the best Scarlet Knights ever.
I enjoy his game and his development. Others may want to do the same.
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Yup, he could barely dribble his freshman year, a point basically no one argues. But I guess since I observed that and he developed into a really good player by the grace of the great staff we have then im barred from ever making an observation again, right?
Harper was inserted in the starting lineup 8 games ago.
He has scored 56 points (7PPG)
7-25 from 2pt fg (28%)
10-26 from 3 (38.5%)
12-17 FT (70.6%)
7 assists / 4 turnover
8 steals
3 blks
3 OREB 27 DREB
178 minutes (22.2 MPG)
24 fouls
He has scored 56 points (7PPG)
7-25 from 2pt fg (28%)
10-26 from 3 (38.5%)
12-17 FT (70.6%)
7 assists / 4 turnover
8 steals
3 blks
3 OREB 27 DREB
178 minutes (22.2 MPG)
24 fouls
Each game is different and the coach has to make moves based on how each player is performing on a given day.
We all love Harper’s game and we see his upside. So does Pike, which is why Harper has been starting, and rightfully so.
As the OSU game progressed, Pike could see that Harper was having trouble getting his shot off — he took 1 shot in 22 minutes (a 3-pointer, which he made).
So Pike puts in Kiss for 14 minutes, hoping he can get some good looks. Kiss does that, and in 14 minutes he gets off 5 shots, including 4 good looks from the arc, plus 2 foul shots.
None of Peter’s shots go in, including 0-2 from the charity stripe, but what else could Pike try, when Thiam has been a non-fancier and on a day when Baker, Mathis and Harper were all struggling to score?
We all love Harper’s game and we see his upside. So does Pike, which is why Harper has been starting, and rightfully so.
As the OSU game progressed, Pike could see that Harper was having trouble getting his shot off — he took 1 shot in 22 minutes (a 3-pointer, which he made).
So Pike puts in Kiss for 14 minutes, hoping he can get some good looks. Kiss does that, and in 14 minutes he gets off 5 shots, including 4 good looks from the arc, plus 2 foul shots.
None of Peter’s shots go in, including 0-2 from the charity stripe, but what else could Pike try, when Thiam has been a non-fancier and on a day when Baker, Mathis and Harper were all struggling to score?
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I don’t agree that Caleb is not a significant part of our 1-4 rotation next year. He is a contributor now and I believe he will continue to improve and be a contributor next year. We will see.
IMHO, I think all viewpoints are welcomed as long as they're respectful. your commentary (At the time) on Eugene went way overboard which is why I think you continue to get sh!t about it, even though you have manned up on how off base you were.
And again, here, you say that Kiss is "worthless". WTF. that's BS. first of all, even if he didn't bring anything to the table, I think it's just piss poor to talk about our guys that way. But I know that's your schtick. Crappy words aside, I think you're wrong. Kiss has a role on this team as a sub. And if we're going to win more B1G games, Pike needs him in the rotation. He has the ability to get hot, and if he can play that card right and ride a Kiss hot shooting night, that will help us. He's not the best defender, but he is far from the defensive liability you make him out to be.
It's really simple for me: Harper, Mathis and Caleb are all better players than Kiss, and more important to the future of the program (and I am on record multiple times indicating how important Harper is to this team winning...not based on stats, but on all the things he does well).
BUT, that doesn't mean you don't give Kiss any minutes, because the other 3 are young and are going to have off nights/streaks. So you need to find ways to keep Kiss motivated and confident to contribute when he's out there. he was one of the reasons we beat Nebraska at home. Was he "worthless" in that game? No. In fact, we don't win without him. You don't have to believe me...Pike called him out in the post game.
Once again, you show your youth with these extreme viewpoints...one minute a kid 'literally can't dribble', the next minute you're eating crow.
It's all good though...please keep posting as I do enjoy your insights.I just hate your hate of our players. Worthless? Come on man, you can try and be better than that.
rant over.
Unfortunately we all have forgotten what an impact freshman can look like so we try like heck to mold what we have in to the impact player we want.
That pretty much sums up why we haven't won.
The good news is Pikiell and Co. have a recipe where we can compete without the horses. Hopefully when the horses come the recipe works with the higher quality ingredients.
That pretty much sums up why we haven't won.
The good news is Pikiell and Co. have a recipe where we can compete without the horses. Hopefully when the horses come the recipe works with the higher quality ingredients.
Excellent post! KYK - I, too, appreciate your passion and insight. If you could just tone down your language toward players, that would be awesome.
Looking at 5 real wins..team, RHJ 2nd half min, crunch lineup
MIAMI....8....0,32,35,5,2
OSU.....15...0,23,24,13,2
NEB....2....0,23,32,5,15
PSU....8....0,23,24/22,5,15 (def/off subs)
IU...16.....0,32,24,5,2/15 (def/off subs)
32 was in on 3 out of wins
2 has been important too
MIAMI....8....0,32,35,5,2
OSU.....15...0,23,24,13,2
NEB....2....0,23,32,5,15
PSU....8....0,23,24/22,5,15 (def/off subs)
IU...16.....0,32,24,5,2/15 (def/off subs)
32 was in on 3 out of wins
2 has been important too
0.....all 5
5.....all 4 he was healthy for
2 and 15....have split it at the center
23.....3 out of 5
32....3 out of 5
24....2 1/2 out of 5
Pretty much in a nutshell of where we are. We know Eugene and Geo are on the floor. Depending on matchups and play Myles OR Shaq D are on the floor. The SG/SF situation is fluid and no one has distanced themselves from the rest.
Kiss, Issa, Caleb, Montez and Ron are all options and all are not worthless. In a perfect world 2 or 3 of them will rise to a level where they are constants.
5.....all 4 he was healthy for
2 and 15....have split it at the center
23.....3 out of 5
32....3 out of 5
24....2 1/2 out of 5
Pretty much in a nutshell of where we are. We know Eugene and Geo are on the floor. Depending on matchups and play Myles OR Shaq D are on the floor. The SG/SF situation is fluid and no one has distanced themselves from the rest.
Kiss, Issa, Caleb, Montez and Ron are all options and all are not worthless. In a perfect world 2 or 3 of them will rise to a level where they are constants.
THIS. JESUS!!
The overreaction on this board is becoming unbearable. If someone has a bad stretch they should transfer. The beginning of the year, the same people were saying Caleb is a deer in headlights and not ready. Or that since Carter wasn't playing early he was a waste of a schollie.
Kiss gave VERY good minutes against both Nebraska and Penn St. That was only LAST WEEK! Im not saying he's a great player but everything is so extreme. And like someone else eluded to above, Pikiell obviously has a reason for putting the lineups he does. When it works he's the best coach ever and when it doesnt we get threads about losing faith in Pike.
You have to remember that coaches are effected by how these guys practice. That was a benefit to Harper early in the season when he had the green light, but could not hit the broad side of a barn from 3-point range. Maybe Kiss has been lights out in practice lately and Pike is trying to give him a chance to show he can do it in a game. I'm not saying that's definitively the case - only that it is hard to criticize the coach's decision without knowing what goes on in practice and game prep.
Is it the best way for kyk to get the point across? No. Could phrase it nicer and more politically correct, but if you think "worthless" is too strong on a message board you should probably not check the football board to hear what they were saying about Ash and Art... Or check the internet in general... It's scary out there
Expecting nothing but happy PC posts on a public free message board is just an unrealistic expectation
Your response this time was much more civilized and others as well so that is an improvement. Thank you for that
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