RU Perceptio

[njknightsfan]

This is a very interesting discussion points as I see it being played out today as RU perception is to wealthy students compares to low income/ out of state students. I live in a very affluent community and am at the same age as most of my friends who have kids in college or applying to college and in over 80% of the cases, RU is the safety school, fall back school. I see kids going to University of Rochester, John Hopkins, NYU, Boston College, Boston Uni, Ivies, these are the choices of most of the "white kids". On the other hand, the minority kids view Rutgers as the 1st choice and these kids can get into most top 35 schools and still have RU as top choice.

I think it's an attitude of private high school education, they view RU as a last resort, they didn't spend all that money for high school just so the kid can go to RU. As somebody mentioned, win and start winning consistently and the perception starts to change. Of course you have schools like Bosco who have consistently sent top kids to RU and you keep building and working with those schools but be opportunistic with schools like Bergen Cathlolic.

I hate to say this but we will get better results by investing more in Camden, Newark,....than in these Catholic schools. The low income kids will appreciate and value a RU offer more than safety school.

Perception will only change with the Catholic schools once you start winning consistently.

 

[rutgersal]

You recruit everyone in Jersey. Can't afford to be choosy. The Catholic schools are where most of the football talent is, and the state is so small. The few kids that we did land from Bergen Catholic, have been solid for us.

 

[njknightsfan]

Really, who have we landed from Bergen Catholic in the last 5 years, 10 years that have been solid for us?
I would say focus more on Don Bosco & St. Peter's who have sent quality recruits to us.

 

[RUJMM78]

Interesting viewpoint on some of the reasons students/families use in selecting a college.

 

[ArminRU]

We were trendy for awhile under schiano. If we start to win again and if our offense looks like Houston's, we'll be trendy once again, even for the BC douches.

 

[rutgersal]

Really, who have we landed from Bergen Catholic in the last 5 years, 10 years that have been solid for us?
I would say focus more on Don Bosco & St. Peter's who have sent quality recruits to us.

Tsimis has been solid, when healthy, and back in the day Sam Johnson was helping to pave the way for Ray Rice. We have enough resources to focus on all the north jersey parochialis. To get to Bosco, you have to pass near Bergen, so you might as well make a stop there.

 

[RUtix4me]

From the title i thought it was a Harry Potter spell.

 

[njknightsfan]

I don't recall Tsimis being solid but a mediocre for us and injuries could have played on that. Sam Johnson was what about 10 years ago. How many top players have Bergen Catholic sent to other programs in the last 5 years compared to RU?

 

[sct1111]

This just comes with having a lot of elite private schools surrounding the state. The same can be said about Maryland, UCONN and the SUNY schools and other northeast publics. Rutgers also doesn't do a good job promoting themselves in state. When I was in high school I had no idea Rutgers was a top 100 University in the world. I just thought it was NJ's crappy state university who recently started to be good at football. A few of my smarter friends planned on going to Rutgers and the private school (Lafayette) that I really wanted to go to was just too expensive. I truthfully viewed Rutgers as a safety school when applying. Of course that view has changed but this is how I thought in high school and I went to a public school.

Parents who pay for private high schools already have the idea that public schools are inferior to private schools. The same can be said about private vs public colleges. NJ is a rich state and this idea is common among the upper class.

 

[rutgersal]

I don't recall Tsimis being solid but a mediocre for us and injuries could have played on that. Sam Johnson was what about 10 years ago. How many top players have Bergen Catholic sent to other programs in the last 5 years compared to RU?

Rutgers is viewed as a safety school to Bergen Catholic students. However, all it takes is one Mike Teel from Bergen to change that. Prior to Moke Teel, Rutgers got barely anyone from Bosco. After him, we did better. Doesn't make sense to skip Bergen because our coaches are in the area anyways, so it doesn't take much incremental effort to recruit Bergen.

 

[Caliknight]

Tsmis has been injured but is productive when able to play. He wasn't a massive recruit out of BC. I think the only very solid recruit we have ever had from there was Sam Johnson. A lot of wasted time and resources on that school.

It's good that Coach Ash learned right away what that school and coach is all about. He is a smart guy. He will recruit the players he believes can help from there, but I wouldn't expect marginal BC talent any longer. That ship sailed with this latest stunt,

 

[Section124]

Devin & Jason McCourty, Girault, Wilkins, Beauharnis, Kivlehan (and even Haggarty & Farina) = SJR
Teel, Nova, Carroo & Hamilton = DBP

Those are the North Jersey Parochial's this staff needs to recruit. They have been loyal and given us solid/great players.

 

[RUtix4me]

Devin & Jason McCourty, Girault, Wilkins, Beauharnis, Kivlehan (and even Haggarty & Farina) = SJR
Teel, Nova, Hamilton = DBP

Those are the North Jersey Parochial's this staff needs to recruit. They have been loyal and given us solid/great players.

And Carroo out of DBP, lest we forget him so quickly

 

[rutgersdave]

I don't recall Tsimis being solid but a mediocre for us and injuries could have played on that. Sam Johnson was what about 10 years ago. How many top players have Bergen Catholic sent to other programs in the last 5 years compared to RU?

They don't have many D 1recruits. I also noticed a few schools that are Ivy League or considerated better academically that they decide to attend(all students) but mostly colleges that are lower academically than Rutgers and many out of state. My nephew went to,one of the NNJ Catholic schools and was also surprised a few went to high academics school but most lower than Rutgers and even many not going to college. What a waste of the paid HS education. My nephew did very well but he didn't go to a school considered better than Rutgers academically.

Are these Private Catholic schools really considered better schools than the better public schools especially when it's all boys that tend to be worse than girls academically?

 

[rutgersdave]

This just comes with having a lot of elite private schools surrounding the state. The same can be said about Maryland, UCONN and the SUNY schools and other northeast publics. Rutgers also doesn't do a good job promoting themselves in state. When I was in high school I had no idea Rutgers was a top 100 University in the world. I just thought it was NJ's crappy state university who recently started to be good at football. A few of my smarter friends planned on going to Rutgers and the private school (Lafayette) that I really wanted to go to was just too expensive. I truthfully viewed Rutgers as a safety school when applying. Of course that view has changed but this is how I thought in high school and I went to a public school.

Parents who pay for private high schools already have the idea that public schools are inferior to private schools. The same can be said about private vs public colleges. NJ is a rich state and this idea is common among the upper class.

Even going to an Ivy League school doesn't guarantee a high income if you don't make the right decision on your major. I know someone who went to NYU and worked as an analyst before working for the NIH in DC. She decided to get her masters even though she had close to$100,000 in student loans and ultimately got her PH.D. At Minn. I don't think she'll ever be able to repay her debts. She'll have to marry some one extremely successful several years older than her that can pay her loans. Her mother, a chemist at one of the pharm co in NJ, was laid off and her family could've help her.

Oh, if you go to an Ivy League schools, most are snobs that want to marry only Ivy League graduates.

 

[knightfan7]

My nephew lives in a very affluent town with a highly rated school system. When he was in HS there was a facebook site where his classmates listed the schools they had been accepted to. He told me it was primarily an ego thing for the parents as the kids didn't get as hung up on it as Mom and Dad. He said he only used it to make sure no one else in his class was attending his 1st choice as he was looking to get as far away from the ego driven nonsense as possible.

 

[rutgersdave]

My nephew lives in a very affluent town with a highly rated school system. When he was in HS there was a facebook site where his classmates listed the schools they had been accepted to. He told me it was primarily an ego thing for the parents as the kids didn't get as hung up on it as Mom and Dad. He said he only used it to make sure no one else in his class was attending his 1st choice as he was looking to get as far away from the ego driven nonsense as possible.

That's right. It's an ego thing for kids and parents. I noticed two at work that was so proud of their kids going to Georgetown and Boston College but their kids probably will never earn the money they earned going to lower level schools and base on their hard work an ambition.

Also, I noticed that if someone graduated from a good school they learn to bring it up. That happened when the public relation manager brought up she went to Duke even though I never asked.

 

[Section124]

And Carroo out of DBP, lest we forget him so quickly

Not sure how I forgot him. My favorite player since Brian Leonard.