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RU Stats Notes - VERY Early, I Know

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Here are some random, and not so random RU stats, albeit after just 6 games, and against very, very weak competition ... but still ...These are the stats we have so far - and some Jellyman Rose-Colored-Glasses Views:

1) Geo Baker may indeed be an improvement over Nigel Johnson - as many of us thought he might. For last season, Nigel Johnson averaged 11.3 ppg, shot 37.7% FG, 35% 3-point FG and 70% FT. He did have some great games, especially 2-3 really hot games down the stretch ... prior to which eh was not even shooting 35% FG or 31% 3-point FG, I might add. Johnson had a 64-44 Ass-TO ratio ... averaging 2 assists per game. Baker, in his 1st 6 games, albeit against very weak competition (but also only his 1st 6 games, so still large upside improvement possible), is averaging 12.5 ppg, on 46.7% FG shooting, 39% 3-point FG and 80% FT ... he has a 21-14 assist to TO ration, averaging 3.5 assists per game. And he is a true freshman, while Johnson was a redshirt Junior. Just saying.

2) Is RU missing Gettys? Maybe a little, but maybe not so much just yet. Last season Gettys averaged 7.7 ppg, 5.2 rpg and had 26 blocked shots in 33 games ... plus 39 assists and 52 turnovers. He did shoot very well: 54% FG, and was solid FT, with a 67% FT shooting record. Decent numbers, solid - and was mostly a solid body defender. This season? Doucore is averaging 4.3 ppg, 5.3 rpg, shooting 47% FG and is 8-10 FT so far ... he has 3 assists, 5 turnovers and 4 blocked sots in 6 games ... as a true frosh. In just 4 games, Doorson is averaging 4.8 ppg and 4.8 rpg, with 4 blocked shots. Together, those 2 have averaged the same minutes per game as did Gettys all of last season - and have 9 ppg, 10 rpg and 8 blocked shots in 6 games. Time will still tell on Doucore/Doorson/Sa being able to replicate Gettys/Doorson/Sa of last seaosn - but at worst it does not seem like that much of a fall-off ... at worst.

3) Omoruyi averaged 12 minutes per game, 2.4 ppg, 2.2 rpg, shooting 39% FG and 62.5% FT ... with 34 assists and 35 TO, and 9 blocked shots and 15 steals, all in 30+ games. So far this season, he has averaged 20 minutes per game, 9 ppg, 5.8 rpg, shooting 48% FG - though just 40% FT - and has 10 assists and just 4 TO, along with 9 blocked shots and 4 steals. Yes, he is still a little raw, and yes the competition has been weak, but he has clearly improved in a MAJOR way.

4) Thiam averaged 18 minutes, 3.9 ppg, 1.7 rpg, shooting 33% FG, 30% 3-point FG and took just 8 FT all year, hitting 4. He had 10 assists and 24 turnovers in his 31 games. So far this year, again albeit against weak competition, but still .. Thiam is averaging 27 minutes, 9.7 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 46% FG, 33% 3-point FG, has already taken 7 FT (hit 6), and though he has just 2 assists, he also has just 2 turnovers. He also has 5 steals in 6 games - last season Thiam had 12 steals in 31 games. Like Omoruyi, VAST improvement, even if against lesser competition. And like Omoruyi, Baker and Doucore, still is young with lost of room for improvement.

5) Sanders HAS gotten off to a slow start shooting - as he did last season, remember. But he is also averaging 5 rpg (a big improvement), and has over a 2-1 assist to turnover ratio - versus just a 1.2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio last year. I think he will be fine in the end.

Overall, by the way, RU has 4 players averaging in double figures so far: Baker, Sanders, Freman and Williams. Plus Thiam at 9.7 ppg and Moruyi at 9 ppg. RU has 6 players averaging 4.8 rpg or more.

It looks like RU has a solid 8 players to roate in and out: Sanders, Freeman, Baker, Williams, Thiam, Omoruyi, Doucore and Doorson. Sa and Mensah have been spot players - and disappointing ... RU WILL need Sa to be solid defensively in some games this year as Doucore and Doorson are likely to pick up fouls. And Mensah WILL have to improve, to help the substitution rotation.
 
When I have time I will add kenpom nuggets. I know so far we are worse offensively and better defensively than last year
 
Our TO's are down, aren't they?

If we can't shoot, a combo of fewer shitty shots and less TO's will enable Pike to get the max out of his team.

It's nice to look forward to watching them. They were completely unwatchable under Jordan.
 
When I have time I will add kenpom nuggets. I know so far we are worse offensively and better defensively than last year

Not surprised. That’s consistent with what I’ve seen on the court the first 6 games.
 
I can make arguments both ways for playing this kind of cupcake schedule early, but I would never attempt to draw anything from the statistics. I truly worry about this team when they have to face real competition. 6 games of being able to shoot poorly, make myriad mistakes and still win easily, isn't likely to prepare them for a Big Ten conference schedule. It is more likely to reinforce bad habits.

I sincerely hope that I am wrong, and maybe they have built up the confidence to compete in those games, but, personally, I would prefer some competitive losses to 6 wins against this Mickey Mouse schedule we have played.
 
I can make arguments both ways for playing this kind of cupcake schedule early, but I would never attempt to draw anything from the statistics. I truly worry about this team when they have to face real competition. 6 games of being able to shoot poorly, make myriad mistakes and still win easily, isn't likely to prepare them for a Big Ten conference schedule. It is more likely to reinforce bad habits.

I sincerely hope that I am wrong, and maybe they have built up the confidence to compete in those games, but, personally, I would prefer some competitive losses to 6 wins against this Mickey Mouse schedule we have played.
St. John’s was competitive and we reportedly did well. We have yet to play big bruiser type teams Where Gettys excelled.
 
Kenpom early #s thru 5 games! CCUNY does not count

Overall 116th vs. 135th last year
Adjusted offensive efficiency 1.01 points per possession 231st in nation vs. 231st last year OUCH
Adjusted defensive efficiency .963 points per possession 38th vs. 70th

THE GOOD/GREAT
# 8 in offensive turnover percentage, only turning it over 13.4% of possessions (19.4% D1 average)
# 15 in offensive rebounding % 38.2% , last year we were #7 in country at 37.4%
# 7 in defensive effective FG% 40.6% (unfortunately this stat will appear again and it wont be good)
#12 in defensive to% 25.5% of our opponents possesions end in a turnover
#36 in defensive rebounding % at 76.8%
#4 in defensive block % at 19.7%....we block close to a 5th of our opponents shots
#3 in defensive fta/fga...Pikiell has mentioned this numerous times our playing D without fouling, last year 75th

THE BAD
#323 in effective FG% at 43.6%, last year we were 339
#341 in FT percentage 60.0%
#319 3 pt shooting % 28.3% , last year 336th 30.2%

Except for the 1st 2 numbers...adjusted o and D efficiency all #s need to be looked at with a lens of awful competition. Unfortunately that makes our offensive bad #s even worse.
 
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Kenpom early #s thru 5 games! CCUNY does not count

Overall 116th vs. 135th last year
Adjusted offensive efficiency 1.01 points per possession 231st in nation vs. 231st last year OUCH
Adjusted defensive efficiency .963 points per possession 38th vs. 70th

THE GOOD/GREAT
# 8 in offensive turnover percentage, only turning it over 13.4% of possessions (19.4% D1 average)
# 15 in offensive rebounding % 38.2% , last year we were #7 in country at 37.4%
# 7 in defensive effective FG% 40.6% (unfortunately this stat will appear again and it wont be good)
#12 in defensive to% 25.5% of our opponents possesions end in a turnover
#36 in defensive rebounding % at 76.8%
#4 in defensive block % at 19.7%....we block close to a 5th of our opponents shots
#3 in defensive fta/fga...Pikiell has mentioned this numerous times our playing D without fouling, last year 75th

THE BAD
#323 in effective FG% at 43.6%, last year we were 339
#341 in FT percentage 60.0%
#319 3 pt shooting % 28.3% , last year 336th 30.2%

Except for the 1st 2 numbers...adjusted o and D efficiency all #s need to be looked at with a lens of awful competition. Unfortunately that makes our offensive bad #s even worse.

It'll be interesting to see how the defensive data shake out. I'm not convinced we've improved as much as the numbers show so far. I just think we've played a handful teams that are as bad or worse at jump shooting than us. The rebounding numbers are positive (slightly worse offensively but way better defensively) but once we play teams capable of hitting shots those numbers will regress. I could see our defensive efficiency finishing around 60th (vs. 71st last year as you said) rather than top 50.
 
Our TO's are down, aren't they?

It's nice to look forward to watching them. They were completely unwatchable under Jordan.

looked up at stat board with 7mins to go 1st half ECU and "holy crap, no turnovers for us".....which immediately turned into 2 in the next 45 seconds and 4 in the next 2 mins....my bad lol.
 
Definitely not scientific but if you look at points allowed in our 1st 5 games they are a bit lower than last year. The competition is only a hair lower this year.....SO FAR!

My naked eyes behind my glasses says
1. Corey is defending at a higher level and it makes a big difference in overall result
2. Nigel can be a much better defender than Geo, but it is a overall wash or slight advantage to Geo
3. Freeman has been bad defensively, perhaps a notch below last year
4. Duocore may already have a leg up over gettys
5. Issa is helping out of the defensive end...don't have a feeling if there is improvement on ball
6. Eugene is not guarding 3s any more
 
If we want more wins this year, we need to cut down on TO's and cut down on shitty shots (out of control drives, some of Freeman's shots, 18 foot shots with more than 5 seconds left on the shot clock, pull ups from 16 to 19 feet).

There are 10-12 possessions that must be cleaned up. Since we can't shoot (2's, 3's or FT's), we have to play close to perfect if we want to turn those close losses into wins this year.

It is sad to see how bad we are offensively against the worst teams on our schedule.
 
I conclude from these admittedly-early stats that we are basically the same team we were last year: excellent with rebounding and blocked shots, solid on defense, bad shooting 3 point FGs, bad shooting FTs, and overall poor offensively.

Can we improve on offense? I would say yes, because (1) Williams is still rounding into form after the knee injury; (2) Thiam and Omoruyi hopefully will continue their improvements; and (3) our true freshmen Baker and Doucoure can only get better as they gain more experience. If these items improve, we can win 6+ games in league.
 
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Sorry, I meant compared to last year. We are definitely doing a great job so far on minimizing the TO's.

Overall, I like most of the looks we are getting. Since quality shot selection early in the shot clock is more about discipline than skill, there's no reason we can't see improvement this year.
 
My overall opinion is(as just a fan who loves the game)
Baker will be more dependable night in/night out than Nigel(& Baker is a Fr...while Nigel was a grad)
I loved Gettys but I think our Doucoure, Doorson duo is more mobile
-We have a better rotation of big guys who can contribute, Thiam, Omoruyi, Doorson, Doucoure, Freeman
-Better guard rotation Corey, Baker, Williams, Mensah(I think he will get better over time!)

:cool2:[jumpingsmile]:cool2:[jumpingsmile]I love what I am seeing !:cool2:[jumpingsmile]:cool2:[jumpingsmile]
 
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