But ru tied for turnovers and lost the rebounding battle..all of my coaches would have said those are the two most important stats...I understand both of your points..but Simpson needs to clean up that handle and steady that jumpshot...Hold the presses and wake up John Wooden — we’ve got the formula for winning here folks and it’s gonna bring us to the promised land!!
Those 4 parameters are correlated with winning teams over the course of a full season. Smoothed out over a full season. They aren’t an effective strategy to pursue going into an individual game and they certainly aren’t predictive of a win in a single game.
Doubt the veracity of that? Look at Rutgers vs Houston from 2021. Rutgers won all FG percentage, ft margin, pushed on TOs and lost the rebounding measure and still lost. To reduce the game to those 4 parameters just doesn’t give you a reliable predictor; it’s an accumulative stat that will explain things after the fact…
Houston 63-60 Rutgers (Mar 21, 2021) Final Score - ESPN
Game summary of the Houston Cougars vs. Rutgers Scarlet Knights NCAAM game, final score 63-60, from March 21, 2021 on ESPN.www.espn.com
…Individual games are governed by a litany of things… including other parameters like three point percentage, offensive rebounds, and points off turnovers. It’s also clutch plays at crunch time and a willingness to hold the ball and make the play. Simpson, at his best, embraces that challenge and goes for it. He’s a terrific player and this year it’ll be irrefutable
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Listen I'm not going to argue this here because Kyrie arguments are always about more than basketball. I'll just leave it at Kyrie has average athleticism for an 5'11" NBA player...how does he manage to put up elite numbers despite being undersized and not as athletic? Superior skillset that allows him to do whatever he wants offensively. His career and winning percentage has been effected by his personal decisions. But he really hasn't played a full uninterrupted season for a team since hitting the game winning shot and winning the chip with the cavs. So people like you will never give him the respect he deserves as a basketball player. But hey it is what it is. He nor Simpson are superior athletes though..
Basketball is a team game. We win or lose based on the team.
Ya but that’s not what that guy said. You can keep moving the goal posts to make the point relevant, go ahead
A few things here.
1. Yes, he was a freshman - but some here are setting expectations way above what he's shown so far on the court. He could have a meteoric rise next year, or he could see modest improvement, or he could have a sophomore slump - no one knows. There's just not enough there on film yet to start setting expectations as high as some are setting them.
2. Pointing to one successful player and making a claim that another player will follow a similar path isn't really useful. It's implying a trend with a base data set of one player.
3. Harper had a better freshman year than Simpson did, mainly because he was more efficient scoring the basketball. He started 5/36 from the arc, and still finished the season with a significantly higher 3P%. He also had a better ast/tov ratio as a power forward than Simpson did as a point guard. That's not to say Simpson might not have a huge jump into his sophomore year - but comparing the two players is apples and oranges.
I'm excited about Simpson's upside, but he needs to show he can be a more efficient and consistent player on the court before I can start setting lofty expectations for him.
Last 6 games, Simpson was arguably our best player. Over 13 ppg. Able to create on his own, 1.3 TO's per game, 3 apg. Make's his ft's at a decent clip.
Does that mean he will be better then Cliff or anyone else this upcoming season? No, but I think those games are a better indicator then the entirety of his freshman year which was admittedly very much up and down.
Ya totally ridiculous and an example of the larger sample size obscuring specific time frames, in this case, late season play by Simpson.
I wasnt responding to those people with sky high expectations. I was responding to the guy that said simpson sucks and isn’t a winner.
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You quoted my post in your response - whether you meant to reply to someone else or not.
That wasn’t what he was saying. He was saying that we’re not going to be a winning team next season with the style we played to close out the season last year which was basically Simpson going ISO taking 16 shots in 3 of the last 4 games (13 in the other one) while only hitting on over 40% of those shots once (against Hofstra). He was a collective 3 of 15 from 3 in those games. It’s great that he put points on the board and the potential is certainly there for a big jump but it’s simply not the case that he put up numbers so far that suggest he’s a clear stud on the elite track. Saying that is not the same thing as saying “he sucks”. He’s a kid who flashed some potential as a frosh. Very different from an obvious star.
Nope. Try again. He said, and I quote, Simpson “did not play one minute of winning basketball last year”… which aside from being a preposterous statement also provided no indication he feels the way you do (that he flashed some potential)
Nah, I don't think it was you but someone said that besides Griffiths, Simpson is the best player on the team. Arguing against those that thought otherwise caused a responder to exaggerate certain points. Like assist to to ratio as a pg ang fg%. But inserting Simpson into the lineup and taking mulcahy off the ball last year gave the team a chance after mag went down. He definitely understands pace, just need him to play under control..
Ya I never said Simpson was the best player. I think he has the potential to be and he’s certainly got the genetics
Lack of focus on the game in my opinion.
Now I'd argue that his inability, or lack of desire, to actually play should erode the respect people give him.
Could he be a great player? Probably. But he's not.
None of this seems at all relevant to Rutgers though.
His dad is the all time leading scorer for rider hoops
If you want to judge only on the last 6 games:
Spencer: 16.0 pts (.493 FG%, .483 3P%, .800 FT%), 5.0 rb, 2.7 ast, 1.0 stl, 0.8 tov
Simpson: 13.7 pts (.395 FG%, .188 3P%, .750 FT%), 3.0 rb, 2.2 ast, 1.0 stl, 1.3 tov
Omoruyi: 12.7 pts (.516 FG%, .000 3P%, .526 FT%), 8.5 rb, 1.2 ast, 1.0 stl, 2.3 blk, 1.2 tov
McConnell: 7.2 pts (.380 FG%, .154 3P%, .273 FT%), 6.0 rb, 3.5 ast, 2.7 stl, 2.0 tov
Mulcahy: 6.8 pts (.341 FG%, .286 3P%, .692 FT%), 4.3 rb, 3.8 ast, 1.2 stl, 1.8 tov
I'd probably put Simpson as our 3rd best player over those 6 games - McConnell/Mulcahy also played very poorly down the stretch (shooting worse than their season averages from the field, the arc, and the FT line)
I said arguably, and I didn't look at the full team box score, so I could see the argument for Spencer or Cliff.
One thing Simpson was able to do that no one else could is create his own shot, so just looking at pts or fg% doesn't tell the whole story.
But I'd prob give that nod to Cam on a deeper look.
It's not, the poster I was responding to stated that Kyrie and Simpson are overrated because of their athleticism. I don't agree with that and you are referring to my response to that implication.
I was just responding to your thoughts on Kyrie.
And then noting that it's not relevant to Rutgers. My post as much as anyone else's.
If Ace and Dylan come here, if I am Cliff.. unless I am a lottery pick, I'd stay. He'd have a legit shot at Final Four and he'd play alongside other future NBA players. That's a lifetime of memories packed into a single year in my book.
And he'd get his degree(assuming he's not graduating early). Which may not be a main goal of guys with NBA aspirations, but when you get within a year of it, I think it takes a bigger weighting.
It sounds like you’ve got some unresolved issues you need to work on and through regarding this kid. He hasn’t even been here long enough to have a negative view of him so I find your approach odd
He's looking at the efficiency numbers. He needs to clean that up, but game reps should help there. He also needs better assist/turnover numbers if he's going to be running the point... Again, which should improve with more game reps.
We carried three point guards last year. We lost two, and picked up two. We're losing one for next year, and looking to add one. Not really reading too much into the number of point guards we're carrying on the roster as it pertains to Simpson's value.
The quoted statement is not connected one way or the other to my assessment that he flashed potential. The quoted statement is wrong because it is untrue with respect to the Indiana game. That was “winning” basketball and shouldn’t be dismissed. Derek came off the bench as a spark and really was the difference in that one game. He put us over the top. And that was when we were good.
But Milo is not otherwise wrong. The reality is we lost 3 of those last 4 games of the season and the one game we did win we won our old school way with our D and Cam also got hot. Caleb was phenomenal on the other end in that one - we held Michigan to 50 points. That’s why we won. We’re not going to win much with Derek going ISO unless there is dramatic improvement in his efficiency. And so far, ISO is the biggest part of Simpson’s game that we’ve seen.
So you agree it’s a preposterous statement.
Also — would love to know what you all thought of Eli Carter. He must’ve been the worst hoops player to ever touch the hardwood based on efficiency and shot selection and winning
That's a very odd player to reference re: efficiency. Carter had a .468 eFG% over his two years at Rutgers (.483 as a freshman, .450 as a sophomore).
To put that in perspective, here were the eFG% of our players this year that took at least 50 attempts
.550 - Spencer
.534 - Mag
.513 - Omoruyi
.461 - Mulcahy
.453 - Hyatt
.420 - McConnell
.400 - Simpson
Ya and he took a zillion shots and we won 9 games.
And you also didn’t answer the question on whether he was good or not
I'm not the one you asked that question to.
You're talking about volume, not efficiency. Taking a lot of shots doesn't make you inefficient. I think everyone would have been happy if Spencer took a few more shots a game last year (he averaged 12.6), but not if McConnell did (10.9). When more efficient guys take more shots, that's good - it results in more points per possession. When less efficient guys take more shots, that's bad.
I think a better example to ask PSAL about would be Corey Sanders. He took more shots per 40 min than Carter did (17.2 vs. 16.2), had a lower eFG% (.433 vs. .468), and won a lower percent of his games (36-58 vs. 27-29).
Huh? Yes, obviously an efficient, high volume shooter like Eli Carter will help you win games by taking a lot of shots. Milo’s point was that to this point, from what we’ve seen from Simpson, he’s not that yet. That’s not to say he won’t improve, but you can’t just assume he’s going to become that based on what he’s shown so far.
Re Sanders - he, like Simpson, took as many shots as he did out of need on weak major conference offensive teams without other options (which was the situation we had at the end of last season). With Sanders efficiency levels, I don’t think it’s likely we could’ve had a winning team either at his usage level and clearly we didn’t at that time). And as a frosh, Simpson was less efficient than Sanders was at any point in his RU career playing with a worse surrounding cast.
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Kyrie is a better player than athlete. He's one of the most skilled players in the NBA. He does things skill wise that the majority of college players can't even pronounce. His off court antics are another story.
Lets be very clear and just get this out there… in your world Eli Carter is a serviceable starter but Derek Simpson is not?
Not sure what argument you're making here - that Carter wasn't a serviceable starter? Or that Simpson must be one if Carter is considered one? Very odd stance to take - Carter had a better freshman season than Simpson did. Hopefully Simpson's career doesn't follow Carter's path, though.
Simpson is a much better innate ball player, particularly between the ears, than Eli carter. Watching carter Jack up shots was comical at best.
Myles mack on the other hand - splendid player. Very cerebral. Great passer. Saw the floor well.
I trust what I see.
We can hope that Simpson grows this year into the scoring production Carter had as a freshman. Bump his 3P% from .217 to .353, and his eFG% up from .400 to .483? Sign me up.
One of the biggest challenges Simpson has right now is range. He doesn't take many shots from the arc, and he doesn't hit enough of the ones he takes.
Ok....lol Simpson must be your cousin or your boy or something...I don't believe we even saw enough of Simpson last year to compare him to Eli Carter...Eli Carter was dam near a star at Rutgers..much better ball handler than Simpson, better shooter and playmaker from what I saw from Simpson.. I'm guessing you have some insight that I don't on Simpsons game so I hope you're right, Simpson having an Eli Carter type year and Noah and Gavin living up to expectations might put RU in sweet 16...or at least the tournament if sweet 16 is too positive for you guys lol..
I really hope that Simpson finds his outside shot and improves his efficiency. We haven't had a lot of guys who have had eFG% as low as Simpsons that have made a big leap into their sophomore years. Mike Williams was the most recent I could find.
Williams:
Frosh: 22.2 min, 6.3 pts (.379 eFG%), 2.2 rb, 1.2 ast, 0.7 stl, 0.7 tov
Soph: 27.1 min, 12.3 pts (.454 eFG%), 3.5 rb, 1.1 ast, 1.0 stl, 1.5 tov
Simpson:
Frosh: 20.1 min, 7.1 pts (.400 eFG%), 1.6 rb, 1.5 ast, 0.8 stl, 0.9 tov
Soph: TBD
Doesn't mean he can't make that jump - every player is unique, and Simpson definitely looked like things were starting to click for him late in the year. Looking forward to seeing his growth this season.
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