RU v Iowa 1/4/16 Game Thread
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They certainly had their chances but could not hit a shot down the stretch. Foul disparity throughout the game was striking.
Terrible endgame. And in watching Stringer's teams over the last five years and with new assistants, I don't see any difference in how we handle a zone against us. It's the same ol' BS. We pass the ball around the perimeter until there is NO good shot and we throw one up with seconds left on the shot clock.
Game was won at the free throw line 15-23 to 2-4. Can't win with that discrepancy.
20 fouls to 5.
20 fouls to 5.
It is striking, but in watching the entire second half (I couldn't get home to watch the first half) is it's our own fault. We don't penetrate enough especially when Iowa played mostly zone that I saw. They on the other hand penetrated because we mostly played man to man. When that happens, and you penetrate, you're going to draw a lot of fouls. We didn't penetrate enough. Now, were there fouls against Iowa when we did get it in low to Holivay or other of our women? Yes. But not to the extent where they were hacking every time.
I used to get pissed when I saw that kind of disparity, but in watching the entire second half, we have no one to blame but ourselves. Our women continue to pass the ball around the perimeter. Stringer's offense is dreadful against the zone. She rarely uses the high post to force the defense to collapse and when she does, our high post player doesn't seem to know how to distribute the ball.
That's why we're not getting fouls called against the other team. We're just not penetrating their D. Against us, they penetrated and we had a lot of reach-in fouls. Now, were some of those fouls called against us ticky-tack? Yes. I happen to think women's officiating is probably the worst officiating in any team sports men or women, but as long as teams play zone against us and we don't penetrate we're not going to get the foul calls.
Someone needs to buy new glasses as we went down low to Hollivay & Copper all game & never got a foul call
My eyesight is just fine thank you very much. You're being too much of a homer. We're some of those fouls? Yes. But not to the extent you think they are. Also, we missed a ton of layups. I counted at least 6 or 7 layups. Make even half those layups, we win the game.
I haven't seen many games this year but can Parker hit a 3pt shot? Did not appear that she could this evening. Iowa was more than content to let her try. Where are the points coming from next season? Copper, Hollivay and Canty all graduating. Sciafe is good but she needs more help than appears to be on the roster.
I don't visit this board too often, but after watching the game thought I had to.
Yes the foul discrepancy was amazing. But you havr to remember foul calling is a matter of perception....like it or not. When you shoot jumpers and not drive, you're not going to get calls. Then when you continue to commit stupid fouls, that's what the refs are going to see and makes it easier to call them again. See third qtr. Add to that our coach then calls for the press!! Doesn't she realize the refs are calling fouls?
Why is Canty allowed to practice her dribbling at the top of the key? We had shot clock problems all night long, yet Canty continued to dribble and not execute an offense. Stringer can't let that continue.
Coach must also teach them how to play against a zone. Announcers certainly knew what to do. And keeping Scaiffe on the bench that long just made it that much more difficult.
If theycan't play any better against a one, we're going to lose a lot more than our talent should.
Yes the foul discrepancy was amazing. But you havr to remember foul calling is a matter of perception....like it or not. When you shoot jumpers and not drive, you're not going to get calls. Then when you continue to commit stupid fouls, that's what the refs are going to see and makes it easier to call them again. See third qtr. Add to that our coach then calls for the press!! Doesn't she realize the refs are calling fouls?
Why is Canty allowed to practice her dribbling at the top of the key? We had shot clock problems all night long, yet Canty continued to dribble and not execute an offense. Stringer can't let that continue.
Coach must also teach them how to play against a zone. Announcers certainly knew what to do. And keeping Scaiffe on the bench that long just made it that much more difficult.
If theycan't play any better against a one, we're going to lose a lot more than our talent should.
Like I said before, people don't remember NCAA game vs Tennessee? 10 fouls for RU and none for Tenn. Can't make it up.
well I had some interest revived with the last game and watched the 2nd half tonight...same old same old when attacking a zone..it was awful..no ,movement too much dribbling and passing around the perimeter and chucking up a shot. Then way too many just flat out stupid fouls in the 3rd quarter bumping. Key juncture RU down 3 and Parker who was 0-6 missed a WIDE open 3. Sorry you have to make that shot, you just have to or you don't complete the comeback, then I think Copper missed a bunny rebound attempt. Too many shots not finishing at the end of the game and a stalled offense led to this loss. On the defensive end the dagger 3 by a wide open Iowa ponytail to put them up 64-61 was the turning point. That shot by Scaife was terrible down 4..no reason to throw up a prayer with still 17 seconds..drive in for your shot and hope to get fouled.
RU showed some fight and definitely better than they played Iowa at the RAC last year but this Iowa team isn't as good but they are a quality team.. RU isn't getting blown out by quality teams anymore like they did vs SJU, SHU and FSU but nonetheless its a costly swing game loss when it comes down to Big 10 standings and even getting an at large bid in the NCAA tourney.
at the end of the day the offense failed the team once again and once again was awful against the zone..add in the usual silly fouls and I have seen this movie before. Biggest bright spot is Hollivay has decided to wake up and play...two games in a row, if she goes back to sleep RU will not make the NCAA tourney this year so hopefully she has arrived and is ready to go.
RU showed some fight and definitely better than they played Iowa at the RAC last year but this Iowa team isn't as good but they are a quality team.. RU isn't getting blown out by quality teams anymore like they did vs SJU, SHU and FSU but nonetheless its a costly swing game loss when it comes down to Big 10 standings and even getting an at large bid in the NCAA tourney.
at the end of the day the offense failed the team once again and once again was awful against the zone..add in the usual silly fouls and I have seen this movie before. Biggest bright spot is Hollivay has decided to wake up and play...two games in a row, if she goes back to sleep RU will not make the NCAA tourney this year so hopefully she has arrived and is ready to go.
Pritz, the problem is Stringer doesn't know how to counter zone defenses. You would think because she is such a genius at defense, she would know how to combat it on offense. She doesn't. If she doesn't have shooters, the team fails. There is no distribution to the high and low post enough. There is very little penetrating and when there is and our post players kick it out, they can't finish. This has been an ongoing problem ever since the beginning Stringer came to Rutgers.
Iowa now goes to 12-2 (2-0) while RU falls to 10-4 (1-1)
They should be moving into the AP's top 25 and moving up from the #25 spot they are now in the Coach's poll.
My hopes of a RU win to get in the top 25 have been dashed, but not my hopes for a good season and a NCAA bid.
What I really dislike about this loss isn't just the losing to a good team, it's reading a post from someone that will complain after a loss, but seldom do you see kudos from them after a victory .
For anyone who thinks I might mean them, there's no need to ask : A guilty conscience needs no accuser
They should be moving into the AP's top 25 and moving up from the #25 spot they are now in the Coach's poll.
My hopes of a RU win to get in the top 25 have been dashed, but not my hopes for a good season and a NCAA bid.
What I really dislike about this loss isn't just the losing to a good team, it's reading a post from someone that will complain after a loss, but seldom do you see kudos from them after a victory .
For anyone who thinks I might mean them, there's no need to ask : A guilty conscience needs no accuser
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I think we can still get an at large bid, but we have to do much better on the offensive side, because the majority of the teams we play in conference will zone us to death, and they should. Until we can show the B1G we can overcome zone defenses, we will see it until the cows come home. I don't know C Viv's new assistants, but someone, anyone must know how to combat dribbling or passing on the perimter until five seconds are left on the shot clock and then chucking up a prayer. I've seen that movie all too often with a Stringer team.
I feel sorry for the players.
That slow, unwatchable "offense" that they run? That is what the coach wants them to run, and if they try something else, they get a spot on the bench.
Did the coach forget about Cynthia Hernandez? What other opponent would be a better matchup for Hernandez than Iowa? Imagine her taking those wide open looks that Parker missed over and over.
And why was Parker playing down low the entire game and getting abused? Because the coach failed to recruit an athletic four that can run the floor.
Lastly, why didn't the team foul at the end to give themselves a chance? Again, that is on the coach.
Coach Stringer is a fraud, and I'm tired of these young girls getting thrown under the bus because of her.
That slow, unwatchable "offense" that they run? That is what the coach wants them to run, and if they try something else, they get a spot on the bench.
Did the coach forget about Cynthia Hernandez? What other opponent would be a better matchup for Hernandez than Iowa? Imagine her taking those wide open looks that Parker missed over and over.
And why was Parker playing down low the entire game and getting abused? Because the coach failed to recruit an athletic four that can run the floor.
Lastly, why didn't the team foul at the end to give themselves a chance? Again, that is on the coach.
Coach Stringer is a fraud, and I'm tired of these young girls getting thrown under the bus because of her.
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we have Hernandez yet she wasn't playing...now put her in the place of Parker and maybe she drains an open 3 or two...I realize she isn't as quick on defense, but its not like this Iowa team is exactly the most athletic and quick either. Hernandez muscle and size could have made up for the lack of quickness on D
Stop with this! We made 1 less 3 pointer than Iowa.
And again - - after a loss we get visits from the negatoids. Where were all of you after the 5 game winning streak. It seems you only find time to comment after a loss.
not sure who you are talking to but this is why board has gone sort of dormant...I never knew you have to meet qualifications to post here. Its what drives people away from here and makes them call it a joke on the other boards. Such a typical reaction but I knew it was going to be posted. Me personally I have stayed away because I lost interest and wasn't going to be sucked in until they beat a quality team which they did vs Minnesota, but the loss tonight was exactly the type of loss that is preventing this program from getting more support from the RU community and moving up back into the national landscape where it hasn't been for almost 7 years. I have posted this board for years so its comical that you do include me in this grouping but others here have posted as well they have every right to post what they want and I guess you have every right to scold them like they are children
I watched the whole game, I'm not sure Hernandez was dressed or on the bench. I was specifically looking for her as I agree, this was the exact time to use her -- even for a minute here or there.
On a positive side, Harris and Jeune had a really nice 4 minutes together at the end of the first half although Jeune has to finish stronger on the bunnies. I was impressed with they hustle, defense and knack under the basket, particularly in Harris. KK Sanders had some beautiful passes, but like Juene missed more than one bunny.
The turning point in the game was when we were up by 4 or 5 in early in the second half when Hollivay picked up her 3rd foul after hitting 3 baskets in a row. To make things worse, Scaife picked up her 3rd about a minute later. The offensive flow really stagnated for the remainder of that quarter when Stringer opted to pull them both out for (on my opinion) too long. We just never got our mojo back although we had plenty of openings in the final 5 minutes that we just didn't cash in on.
I second what Bac said. We've been fans for decades, but we've seen this merry-go-round before with a Stringer coached team. I wasn't around with the wins, because I happened to be spending time with family and friends during the holidays. This was my first time I had a chance to focus on the team and I watched from my office in California. Sadly, it was the same ol' same ol' Stringer coached team that doesn't know how to play offense against a zone. And that is a fact. As to not playing Hernandez, I thought something was odd out there. Where was she? I guess if I followed more closely, I would not think that maybe she's injured or in C Viv's doghouse. But why the heck wasn't she out there shooting wide open threes. Isn't that why Stringer recruited her? Why in crunch time is Parker out there shooting? That's a real head scratcher.
And sorry '67, if some of us appear to be coming over after a loss. I only came over, because it's the first game I've gotten to focus on in weeks. But I must say, that if people like you love to complain when people like me who played the game, know the game and coached the game have legit questions as to blatant missteps by Stringer and the kids, then what good is this site for? Rainbows, fields of flowers, and lollipops? Try spending some time on the other threads, even on premium. These kinds of criticisms are mild in comparison. I think people like you and others here forget that Stringer get paid seven figures. This isn't a CYO pickup team. She's paid to get results and it appears that the women have the same bad habits they've always had when going up against a zone defense.
These asshats come out after a loss but not a great win on Saturday. They disgust me.
Bah bye go watch your men's basketball games. I guess they would give you better enjoyment. At least the women keep it close and play defense. I frankly would rather watch the women. And I am a season ticket holder for both. Men are embarrassing, Women not much.
For those worried about overpaying a HOF HC
Stringer’s 4 year contract extension signed in 2014 includes only two fully guaranteed years at a reduced salary of $700,000.
If Vivian reaches goals put in that contract she could earn a 7 figure salary.
I hope she makes it, because of all the major sports RU MBB has set the standards when it comes to being a constant winning program.
The roster is mainly made up with players that come because of CVS and not because of the support they see Rutgers University give the program or the basketball facilities it uses.
Just look at the RU MBB program and ( I hope) You realize the RU WBB program would be worse that that program if C.Vivan Stringer wasn't its HC.
Complain about how RU isn't one of the top College WBB programs anymore, but take into account what Stringer has to work with when she's selling RU to recruits.
RU MBB has the same problem, but its results are far worse and have been for years because they don't have someone that could overcome the recruiting handicap they are working with.
Stringer has her faults, but she still is one of the best HCs , but one that is having a harder time
keeping the RU WBB program ahead of the game with the type of support that would make lesser coaches fail.
Which some posters that come on this board after losses and not wins would have us believe she's doing now with a 10-4 record after losing to a good program on the road by 4 points
Stringer’s 4 year contract extension signed in 2014 includes only two fully guaranteed years at a reduced salary of $700,000.
If Vivian reaches goals put in that contract she could earn a 7 figure salary.
I hope she makes it, because of all the major sports RU MBB has set the standards when it comes to being a constant winning program.
The roster is mainly made up with players that come because of CVS and not because of the support they see Rutgers University give the program or the basketball facilities it uses.
Just look at the RU MBB program and ( I hope) You realize the RU WBB program would be worse that that program if C.Vivan Stringer wasn't its HC.
Complain about how RU isn't one of the top College WBB programs anymore, but take into account what Stringer has to work with when she's selling RU to recruits.
RU MBB has the same problem, but its results are far worse and have been for years because they don't have someone that could overcome the recruiting handicap they are working with.
Stringer has her faults, but she still is one of the best HCs , but one that is having a harder time
keeping the RU WBB program ahead of the game with the type of support that would make lesser coaches fail.
Which some posters that come on this board after losses and not wins would have us believe she's doing now with a 10-4 record after losing to a good program on the road by 4 points
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Just a couple comments -
First - I assume Hernandez was injured or otherwise unable to play. I thought I saw her on the bench. Remember, she does have a history of physical ailment.
Second - it wasn't so much the foul calls, per se, but what they did to our play. At least later in the game our players did not drive the basket because of being in foul trouble. They commented that this affected Scaife particularly.
Third - Someone above was being negative about Scaife - she did score 18 points, mostly in the first half. Again, I think the impact of foul trouble.
Four - the missed bunnies were annoying. I never blame those on the coach, however.
Five - we shot 33% on 3's, which isn't horrible. Parker's 0-4 were IMO ill advised in several cases.
Six - yes, the one thing I agree with is we did not look good against the zone. Although we hit some 3's, we were not consistent and went too deep into the shot clock.
Seven - and finally - there was no "one reason" we lost. We played according to the style and way that Rutgers plays. Had we won, it would have been considered a minor upset, I suppose. Not a "bad" loss but it limits our ability to absorb the inevitable WTF game that most teams experience.
And that's my take on it - a voice of reason, I hope.
First - I assume Hernandez was injured or otherwise unable to play. I thought I saw her on the bench. Remember, she does have a history of physical ailment.
Second - it wasn't so much the foul calls, per se, but what they did to our play. At least later in the game our players did not drive the basket because of being in foul trouble. They commented that this affected Scaife particularly.
Third - Someone above was being negative about Scaife - she did score 18 points, mostly in the first half. Again, I think the impact of foul trouble.
Four - the missed bunnies were annoying. I never blame those on the coach, however.
Five - we shot 33% on 3's, which isn't horrible. Parker's 0-4 were IMO ill advised in several cases.
Six - yes, the one thing I agree with is we did not look good against the zone. Although we hit some 3's, we were not consistent and went too deep into the shot clock.
Seven - and finally - there was no "one reason" we lost. We played according to the style and way that Rutgers plays. Had we won, it would have been considered a minor upset, I suppose. Not a "bad" loss but it limits our ability to absorb the inevitable WTF game that most teams experience.
And that's my take on it - a voice of reason, I hope.
I think the fouls killed us. Scaife in particular, has changed her game this year to take more jump shots than driving to the basket as when she does the latter, she usually gets called for a charge - as she did last night on her one offensive foul. Joe Vaszily has done several of our games and he tends to call a lot more fouls on RU than on our opponents. It must be his take on our style of play. As for Parker hitting 3's - she hit back to back threes in one of our recent games at the RAC, so she can make them. She is mainly out there for D as she has taken over for Essy. She did successfully draw two charge calls on the Iowa players who were driving to the basket. I personally don't think Kahleah is 100% healthy. She is usually a very accurate shooter and has had trouble with bunnies in the last two games. She just doesn't seem as "springy" as usual, so I worry about whether she is having issues with her legs. Don't know why Cynthia didn't play, but Ariel is only able to play limited minutes, so that puts more pressure on Rachel to stay out of foul trouble. Fortunately, Vicky Harris looks like she can play some decent minutes. We do have such trouble against zone defenses and Canty makes me nervous with her dribbling,but she only had 1 turn over last night versus 5 assists. Last game she was even better with 10 assists to 1 turnover, so she is taking better care of the ball. I too wish we won that game - and we definitely could have, but I feel we can still have a good season and an NCAA berth.
Sorry I was home and watched the game. So many just dumb fouls and like BAC said not attacking the zone. Three girls around Iowa girl and they foul her, just dumb foul. Like this board because men it is fire Jordan, fire Jordan. Enough with that, at least here you can have different viewpoints I believe.
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Since you asked earlier, let me reply.
By ponytails, I assume you mean 3 point shooters. We had 1 less 3 point basket than Iowa. So what else can the "ponytails" do to win?
I think "people like you" (your term) have another agenda.
It seems kind of funny that you "only have time to comment" here after a loss. I would think you, as a former player and coach, could manage your time a little better. Since you "played the game, know the game and coached it", it might be interesting to hear comments after a win (we did have 5 in a row while you were "busy").
And yes I read the premium boards and have basically given up on them. Now that Coach Flood is gone, the focus has moved to Eddie Jordan. Sounds to me like a bunch of people who have nothing positive in their lives and want to drag everyone down to their level. Do I think CVS is infallible? No. I was very upset that we continue to show no urgency when we are down at the end of games. But I try not to poison these boards with nothing but negative thoughts. This program is undoubtedly the best athletic program at RU over the last 20 years but you and others act as if it has the same record as MBB.
So call it rainbows and lollipops but some people actually support our programs.
PLEASE take time and read the threads and who they are from. I'm just the poney tail thread. RUMAN is the " was a coach" thread. And I did not think you can only post after a win. Please don't tell me and others when we have to post.
BTW.... we need more ponytails.
Apology on the 2nd half of the post. You are right. It should have been directed to a different poster.
But you still have not answered what the "ponytails" would bring that we don't currently have.
And at no time did I tell you (or others) when to post. I just noted that it seems strange that we never seem to hear from a group of people (yourself included) other than after a loss. It would be nice to hear what you had to say after we beat Minnesota who returned their all time leading scorer for a 5th year and held her well under her average. Or after any of the other 9 games we happened to be lucky enough to win without the "ponytails".
Good post and yes the foul trouble hurt penetrating...Scaife seemed scared to get her 5th..even with 18 sec left. Canty offensively didnt pick up the slack and Parker was way off. CVS didnt trust Sanders or Juene late and it really is a shame that Butts is hurt and playing limited minutes
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