RU vs Elon 11/14/16

[Knight Time Fan]

Stop with the excuses..this is a 6 win team...CVS needed to retire gracefully and Hobbs made a huge mistake giving her a new contract...the fanbase has been decimated...so sad

I want everyone to go to school and learn what "fact" and "excuse" mean. Poor recruiting is part of the reason for poor performance. Part of the reason recruiting has been poor is what DMD and Monk said. These are facts. Whether poor recruiting, poor coaching, poor player performance, etc. etc. is to blame for any individual loss, I fail to understand why identifying that reason is an excuse.

Likewise, these facts would not be the case if what you state had happened. As I said above, whether or not the results were better would have depended on who was hired. Also a fact.

In the end, as I have often said, I do support CVS. She faces a number of challenges that I (personally) think will be very difficult to over come - but I (personally) hope she is able to do so.

 

[Knight Time Fan]

It's an excuse. Recruiting started to change because she refused to change her philosophy on O while the rest of the nation had started playing more exciting, up-tempo, high-scoring women's hoops. She finally did, however, it was too little to late at that point which the contract issue, yes, didn't help.

She still got Cappie, Piph, etc. while playing that style. Although you are 100% correct that a more uptempo style might have attracted other recruits. A more uptempo style would not have been CVS, however. Again, it is another factor in why recruiting has declined. Poor on-court performance is another (many players are attracted to the idea of being in the Final Four mix). I'm sure there are more. None are "excuses" - all are valid reasons for recruiting issues.

 

[RUClassof67]

The contract Julie gave her was more than fair....4 years..I believe only 2 guaranteed. .incentive laden and given with the idea that CVS would make one last push which was not happening

I love the usual suspect comment that comes out as if winning doesnt matter when our coach makes so much

Most coaches retire gracefully before it gets to this point

And the Usual Suspects just float from Board to Board criticizing and urging the firings of all coaches the minute there is a two gaming losing streak.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

And the Usual Suspects just float from Board to Board criticizing and urging the firings of all coaches the minute there is a two gaming losing streak.

Wrong. This is different. Very different. As I posted above THIS program - once one of the greatest in the nation - has LITERALLY been surpassed by so many programs, over the past half-decade or so, it's stunning. Time has, essentially, "stood still" for so long that we're now losing games to the likes of UTC, Elon, Seton Hall, Syracuse, and so-on-and-so-on (it's a VERY long list...), on a very, very regular basis. Programs that were shit-shows less than a decade ago have flown past us and it's a shame. That's the problem.

 

[RocktheRac]

PLUS 1

 

[bac2therac]

And the Usual Suspects just float from Board to Board criticizing and urging the firings of all coaches the minute there is a two gaming losing streak.

Lol yup got my answer right there...now spin that losses to Elon dont matter. There was a reason why after the SHU and SJU blowouts that I knew this team wasnt making the NCAA...same feeling I have now concerning being a big 10 bottom feeder sub 10 win team

 

[bac2therac]

I want everyone to go to school and learn what "fact" and "excuse" mean. Poor recruiting is part of the reason for poor performance. Part of the reason recruiting has been poor is what DMD and Monk said. These are facts. Whether poor recruiting, poor coaching, poor player performance, etc. etc. is to blame for any individual loss, I fail to understand why identifying that reason is an excuse.

Likewise, these facts would not be the case if what you state had happened. As I said above, whether or not the results were better would have depended on who was hired. Also a fact.

In the end, as I have often said, I do support CVS. She faces a number of challenges that I (personally) think will be very difficult to over come - but I (personally) hope she is able to do so.

Cvs age and declining prowess is fact..she was given every oopportunity to recruit so yes the contact stuff is an excuse...do you want a 70 year old coach who was missing Ncaa tourneys to be given a 6 year guaranteed contract

 

[Knight Time Fan]

Cvs age and declining prowess is fact..she was given every oopportunity to recruit so yes the contact stuff is an excuse...do you want a 70 year old coach who was missing Ncaa tourneys to be given a 6 year guaranteed contract

Bac - if she was at the top of her game, she probably could have overcome that stuff. She overcame less than stellar facilities for a number of years. I agree that far. Because it would have mattered, but less so. But it did matter, and denying it - even though everything else you say could still be true - makes no sense when it is fact.

They give "sort of" guaranteed contracts all the time to protect a program, especially one with an aging coach with declining success. When they don't, you can get Arizona - who had no (zero) recruits at all in the known last year of a failing coach's contract. What someone said above - who is going to sign up to play for "they don't know who". If there was a succession plan, if it was obvious that the program was near the top, if they were winning - these all would help recruiting.

 

[richthedentist]

I really thought Hobbs blew it on this one and this is the proof he did. This program has been on the decline and this will continue to the point where it will take a new coach 3-5 years to bebuild the program. He had the opportunity to let her bow out gracefully and she did not so now this program is going to pay the price.

 

[APKnight]

Well we are stuck with her for now. Next year should be much better, but this year looks like a complete and utter disaster. I have been going to and following this program since the early days of Theresa Grentz. We were dominant back then, and the team was very much fun to watch. Unfortunately her recruiting tailored off. CVS has overall done a good job here, with some seasons being great. But alas recruiting has suffered lately and now we are heavily relying on transfers, which is kind of a lazy way to recruit IMO. I think once she hits 1,000 wins she will retire.

 

[RUClassof67]

Lol yup got my answer right there...now spin that losses to Elon dont matter. There was a reason why after the SHU and SJU blowouts that I knew this team wasnt making the NCAA...same feeling I have now concerning being a big 10 bottom feeder sub 10 win team

Who's spinning that losses to Elon/Chat don't matter. I just commented that the usual suspects who seem to look to fire everyone pop up on all the Boards. I didn't check the Men's soccer boards. You guys post there too??? We will struggle this year. No question. I'll still be there at as many games as I can attend. I'll still be rooting for this team to string together a few wins. I'll still make my donations to this and other programs. But I'll rely on our AD to make the right decisions at the right time. And I won't publicly badmouth the program or the Coach. I'll rely on the usual suspects.

 

[MADHAT1]

The contract Julie gave her was more than fair....4 years..I believe only 2 guaranteed. .incentive laden and given with the idea that CVS would make one last push which was not happening

I love the usual suspect comment that comes out as if winning doesn't matter when our coach makes so much

Most coaches retire gracefully before it gets to this point

Even you must admit many coaches when they get close to achieving a historical 1000 win mark, don't retire until they make every effort to achieve it.
I would hope , if Vivian feels it's right, sometime this season if the team isn't improving CVS hands the reigns over and rides off into the sunset as the RU WBB Head Coach Emeritus

Back to the money complaint, I forget how much Stringer's making now, but doubt it's as much as she used to make. Wouldn't be surprised if it's inline for what HCs make that have 45 years experience and are in the HOF
Also since her contract isn't guaranteed could be Hobbs felt it was worth keeping CVS to give her a chance to obtain 1000 victories instead of getting fallout for dumping her and the bad PR that would go with it.

I'll not knock anyone bashing the way RU looks because I'm frustrated to over the losses so far this season. I'll just stay away from arguing with those who have shown that they feel its time for C,Vivian Stringer to leave and hire a HC that will make the Rutgers WBB program better.
With new facilities on the horizon, that probably won't be as hard to do as before new facilities got the OK, no matter who was hired for what RU was willing to pay its WBB HC.

 

[richthedentist]

Sure do post on the men's soccer board and even though they were beset by injuries this year I have clearly posted that Donnigan should be let go also because that is another program that has underachieved under his regime.

 

[Turtle31]

How many season ticket holders do you reckon RU has for women's basketball?
A few hundred?

I don't know if you were serious, but I'd be interested to find out. Can't be more than 500, can it?

 

[RutgersDon]

I'll take the over. There is no way an RU team only wins 5. If that were to happen, maybe 10% of season ticket holders would re-up for next yr.

Rutgers is lucky to win 5 games

 

[djrc89]

It's unfortunate that we've fallen this far. Had we had a couple of subpar years at least kids recruited by a new coach would remember ru as a stellar program that had a couple of down years. Now I fear it's just us who will be living in the past.

 

[Turtle31]

Rutgers is lucky to win 5 games

I may change my tune if we are winless heading into January. Maybe 7 is the sweet spot.