RU vs Maryland 9PM, BTN, 2/10
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#17 vs. #5 -- playing with house money. We weren't expected to win, and we certainly got to see what a better and deeper team can do. A lot of lessons here.
I love Tyler, but we just can't win a game like this when she goes 4-17.
I'm also concerned about the unforced turnovers - too many lazy passes that made it easy for Md to pick them off.
I'm also concerned about the unforced turnovers - too many lazy passes that made it easy for Md to pick them off.
Sorry, this is a winnable game without the stupid turnovers and leaving points and free throws out there. But at least they kept fighting and didn't give up, that is the only good thing I can say about this game.
We can win out We are favored in all our remaining games. We need help from either Iowa or Nebraska. If either one of them can knock off Ohio St., we get a clear path at 3rd place in the conference. That gets us a double bye and a game against Iowa in the semis
We never quit, kept coming back, and fought hard.
I wish we can figure out a way to reduce the travels, uncontested post defense, and other frustrating stuff.
We lost away at a top five team's court.
I saw two positives: Ariel's surprisingly good play, and our full court press looked pretty good against a good team.
I really hope Tyler can get her shot back, and Canty can get back to scoring again.
Let's go on another streak right to the league finals!!
I wish we can figure out a way to reduce the travels, uncontested post defense, and other frustrating stuff.
We lost away at a top five team's court.
I saw two positives: Ariel's surprisingly good play, and our full court press looked pretty good against a good team.
I really hope Tyler can get her shot back, and Canty can get back to scoring again.
Let's go on another streak right to the league finals!!
The teams are basically mirror images of each other. But Maryland was in better control. Give credit to RU for their never give up play. They fought like dogs.
My takeaway:
We are a good team. Maryland is a really good team. Better.
Compared to Maryland, we don't have an attendance problem.
Something's up with Tyler.
I need to adopt a shelter dog. That commercial breaks my heart.
Apparently, to be an announcer for big ten wbb, you only need to have a passing familiarity with big ten wbb teams.
We are a good team. Maryland is a really good team. Better.
Compared to Maryland, we don't have an attendance problem.
Something's up with Tyler.
I need to adopt a shelter dog. That commercial breaks my heart.
Apparently, to be an announcer for big ten wbb, you only need to have a passing familiarity with big ten wbb teams.
We were 13-13 from the ft line and turnovers were even (19 each team). We out rebounded them by 3. Big difference was shooting. They shot 51%. We were at 42%.
As someone said earlier, they could be a #1 seed. If they go undefeated the rest of the way - and it isn't impossible - that's what I think would be their reward.
I don't think they can't be beat, but it isn't going to be easy. In conference or the NCAA's.
Rutgers as a team has flaws. Most teams do. The most worrisome to me is the Tyler situation - fatigue, illness, injury, sophomore slump? - I have no idea but as noted above, she is a key cog.
If anything frustrated me in the parts of the game I watched, it was the missed shots by post players.
I wish folks on this board would calm down a bit - Rutgers is who Rutgers is. I read the same complaints every time - does anyone think that is maybe what the team is? We have a decent potential to make the Sweet 16 (seeding will in the end be key) - after that, anything "can" happen. Unless you are UConn or one of the few teams that could get a number one seed, that is about what is reasonable to expect.
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I don't think they can't be beat, but it isn't going to be easy. In conference or the NCAA's.
Rutgers as a team has flaws. Most teams do. The most worrisome to me is the Tyler situation - fatigue, illness, injury, sophomore slump? - I have no idea but as noted above, she is a key cog.
If anything frustrated me in the parts of the game I watched, it was the missed shots by post players.
I wish folks on this board would calm down a bit - Rutgers is who Rutgers is. I read the same complaints every time - does anyone think that is maybe what the team is? We have a decent potential to make the Sweet 16 (seeding will in the end be key) - after that, anything "can" happen. Unless you are UConn or one of the few teams that could get a number one seed, that is about what is reasonable to expect.
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On the flip side, if Tyler had shot 8-17 or 9-17, it's a completely different game, so if she gets out of her funk, things could be pretty good.
When I think about the last three years, even considering the WNIT win, I have to say that a Sweet 16 run doesn't sound too bad to me. I don't know the last time that a team did any better than going from the WNIT than that.
Run the table the rest of the way to the B1G tournament, pick up a couple of wins there and good things could happen.
When I think about the last three years, even considering the WNIT win, I have to say that a Sweet 16 run doesn't sound too bad to me. I don't know the last time that a team did any better than going from the WNIT than that.
Run the table the rest of the way to the B1G tournament, pick up a couple of wins there and good things could happen.
Yes, that's what I was thinking about Tyler when I looked at the box. We were within 5 or 6 points midway through the 2nd half. With 3 or 4 more made buckets from Tyler, we would have still been in the game.
Maryland won this game because they have a better coach. The coaching staff needs to stop thinking that Davis is better than she actually is. She is what she is, and she is not a starting point guard. This team was playing their best basketball with the starting five of Canty, Scaife, Cooper, Laney, and Holivay. So leave it up to Stringer to completely bury Canty and Holivay, through no fault of their own. Because of this, this team with Final Four talent is looking at a first or second round exit.
This post was edited on 2/11 12:00 AM by bballfan523
This post was edited on 2/11 12:00 AM by bballfan523
I have no clue what is wrong with Tyler. Physical? Mental? Both? Looked totally out of the flow of this game, and even before tonight.
8 A, 2 TO, leading the B1G in A/TO ratio and leading the B1G in steals per game. She's a terrible point guard.
Edited to add: Three posts, and they all say the same thing - in fact, the sentence about the team playing its best basketball is almost word for word from another post. Interesting. (On the other hand, my response is pretty close to what I said last time, too.)
This post was edited on 2/11 12:06 AM by BeKnighted
Maryland wanted to play at a fast pace, and Rutgers managed 69 points and lost. Starting Davis over Canty is so incredibly short-sighted its unbelievable. Talent matters.
not to knock Canty but she is struggling and makes numerous mistakes..case in point that travel when RU was down 69-60...that was a key possession...and she is giving absolutely nothing on the offensive end. Davis plays incredible defense and is the better point guard currently so I do not know what games you have been watching lately
This is your fourth post on this board, and each of these posts has been an attack on Davis. We get it, you prefer Canty over Davis. But these repetitive attacks on one of our student-athletes are unacceptable. If you have nothing more to contribute, please stop posting here. Thank you.
We made 2 they made 5. That wasn't the difference in this game. They shot 52% from the floor. We were at 42%. So many occasional posters don't look at the facts (or in this case the box score) before posting.
I will agree that the last seven or eight minutes of the first half seemed like a perfect time to bring in our 3 point shooter.
A couple of threes pushed the lead back to 9 points. And I watch every game and I have watched since I saw Wicks play in the 80s. And remember the lucky three by Mincy pushed the lead to 8 I believe and we trailed the rest of the way. And why can't Hernandez play a few minutes in the game, is it the back?
The two long threes, one banked in from almost half court, when the shot clock was running out were killers.
It's not the number of their threes, but the timing. A couple of daggers at the end of shot clocks, and a couple that stretched their lead at a time when we were cutting into it. Also, knowing that we don't shoot threes meant their defense didn't really need to come out to defend them, and could clog up the inside passing and driving lanes.
Agree, though, that threes weren't why we lost.
They were a better team last night, but weren't unbeatable. We just played sloppy at times, and didn't finish at times. There were an equal number of turnovers between the teams, but several of ours were unforced (Canty's shuffled feet, the pass out of bounds, etc). There were a handful of layups that seemed to find a lid on the basket that need to be points against a team like MD (shooting percentage).
And if they're not going to call backcourt violations, they should just take it out of the rule book again.
Agree, though, that threes weren't why we lost.
They were a better team last night, but weren't unbeatable. We just played sloppy at times, and didn't finish at times. There were an equal number of turnovers between the teams, but several of ours were unforced (Canty's shuffled feet, the pass out of bounds, etc). There were a handful of layups that seemed to find a lid on the basket that need to be points against a team like MD (shooting percentage).
And if they're not going to call backcourt violations, they should just take it out of the rule book again.
I think Davis should be a lock for defensive POY in our conference.
People have commented about Tyler, and my biggest concern is her not knowing/deciding what to do when she gets the ball near the foul line and is defended....either put up a shot or know the whereabouts of an open safety valve to pass to. Easier said than done. She is pretty darn good in transition, I must say. Maybe she is being tentative about her jump shot. Use Laney and Copper (upperclassmen) as an example: they get the ball and either put up a shot or drive towards the basket without much hesitation. Maybe coach should start Parker and allow Tyler to watch the flow and relax.
Speaking of Parker, I am glad to see her out there and believe she will do just fine for us in future seasons.
Ariel, didn't hesitate, fought and went to the basket. She has a nice touch when she makes a decisive move. Rachel looked good at times but is still committing stupid fouls. If we had better offense from the big position we would be such a tough team to beat.
I think the difference in this game was the execution of the back door and isolation of the post players. I noticed in the UConn game the other night, how they created isolation inside and made good passed for easy buckets. Maryland killed us in that regard, otherwise I liked our defense...a lot. Michigan did the same thing in their comeback at the RAC. We better correct this exposure. Also, when we got the lead down to four late, Lexie Brown hit two threes that buried us. She has that quick release and has a nice deep step-back when covered.
Betnijah, you hit a three in the Michigan game........it's not too late to try a few more!!!
This team fought and can compete (I didn't say beat) with any team nationally except for one. We need to stop the careless (I am trying not to use the stupid word) mistakes on offense. I think we had one really bad scoring slump in the first half, and boy was it bad. Maryland took advantage and built up a double digit lead. I was also impressed with their defense.
Finally, it seems that before every Maryland game they show Brenda in her pre game speech...she must have some ego. Her post game comments on the ESPN site was loaded with superlatives about how great her team is. While many have accused her about tampering and questionable recruiting practices, I did notice they had a center (Malina Howard?) who was a high school all-American that transferred into her program. I really dislike her sideline mannerisms as she can't stop smiling when her team is winning. Annoying, annoying. At one point we were called for a travel and she breaks out into this huge smile and starts clapping and celebrating with her bench players. Please.....one Kim Mulkey is more than enough!!
People have commented about Tyler, and my biggest concern is her not knowing/deciding what to do when she gets the ball near the foul line and is defended....either put up a shot or know the whereabouts of an open safety valve to pass to. Easier said than done. She is pretty darn good in transition, I must say. Maybe she is being tentative about her jump shot. Use Laney and Copper (upperclassmen) as an example: they get the ball and either put up a shot or drive towards the basket without much hesitation. Maybe coach should start Parker and allow Tyler to watch the flow and relax.
Speaking of Parker, I am glad to see her out there and believe she will do just fine for us in future seasons.
Ariel, didn't hesitate, fought and went to the basket. She has a nice touch when she makes a decisive move. Rachel looked good at times but is still committing stupid fouls. If we had better offense from the big position we would be such a tough team to beat.
I think the difference in this game was the execution of the back door and isolation of the post players. I noticed in the UConn game the other night, how they created isolation inside and made good passed for easy buckets. Maryland killed us in that regard, otherwise I liked our defense...a lot. Michigan did the same thing in their comeback at the RAC. We better correct this exposure. Also, when we got the lead down to four late, Lexie Brown hit two threes that buried us. She has that quick release and has a nice deep step-back when covered.
Betnijah, you hit a three in the Michigan game........it's not too late to try a few more!!!
This team fought and can compete (I didn't say beat) with any team nationally except for one. We need to stop the careless (I am trying not to use the stupid word) mistakes on offense. I think we had one really bad scoring slump in the first half, and boy was it bad. Maryland took advantage and built up a double digit lead. I was also impressed with their defense.
Finally, it seems that before every Maryland game they show Brenda in her pre game speech...she must have some ego. Her post game comments on the ESPN site was loaded with superlatives about how great her team is. While many have accused her about tampering and questionable recruiting practices, I did notice they had a center (Malina Howard?) who was a high school all-American that transferred into her program. I really dislike her sideline mannerisms as she can't stop smiling when her team is winning. Annoying, annoying. At one point we were called for a travel and she breaks out into this huge smile and starts clapping and celebrating with her bench players. Please.....one Kim Mulkey is more than enough!!
the Maryland 3s came at the right time for them...incredibly timely. The fact is they have that option and they hit them, while RU does not have that arsenal in its weapon.
If you combine the stats for our centers you get 12pts and 13 rebounds--not bad from one position on the floor. The two bigger problems right now for the team when they face better teams are:
1. DEFENSE--it's not the 80pts for MD, it's the 50% shooting.
2. TURNOVERS--yes, both teams had 19 turnovers, but when you're playing a top 5 team on the road, you want to win the TO battle. Lane and Copper are great, but they had 9tos between them.
Finally, our two best offensive guards--Scaife and Canty--are struggling. We're not going to win many games against top competition if they are both struggling on offense. Davis is Davis--she's going to play great defense and not make many mistakes-->you can't ask much more from her than 8 assists to 2 turnovers last night. But we need Scaife and Canty to find their rhythm.
1. DEFENSE--it's not the 80pts for MD, it's the 50% shooting.
2. TURNOVERS--yes, both teams had 19 turnovers, but when you're playing a top 5 team on the road, you want to win the TO battle. Lane and Copper are great, but they had 9tos between them.
Finally, our two best offensive guards--Scaife and Canty--are struggling. We're not going to win many games against top competition if they are both struggling on offense. Davis is Davis--she's going to play great defense and not make many mistakes-->you can't ask much more from her than 8 assists to 2 turnovers last night. But we need Scaife and Canty to find their rhythm.
How about Laney? She was struggling in the first half and only had 4 points at halftime and then comes out and scores 18 in the 2nd half to give her 22 for the game. As a fan it is such a pleasure to watch a player improve over the years and I haven't seen many players in the long time I have been watching RU women's basketball improve as much as she has. It is truly a blessing to be able to watch this incredible athlete play basketball. Seeing players develop over the course of their college careers is what makes college sports so much fun!
Maryland shot 50% because so many baskets were layups while Rutgers is shooting mostly contested jump shots.The nine point advantage in Maryland's favor from 3 point baskets shouldn't be understated.The Scaife mystery continues which means less points with nobody from the bench to makeup the point differential.Nineteen turnovers against a top team is a very bad stat because the opponent had more scoring options as seen with 4 players in double figures.
As I stated in another thread Scaife, Laney and Copper are streaky scorers .In this game Maryland went on a 19-2 run and Rutgers was never able to catch up.Rutgers offense is so dependent on these 3 players for winning games because the rest of the players don't step up when a basket is needed.
As fans have seen in the two games against Maryland they are able to grind opponents down with the inside/outside offense and a defense that creates turnovers resulting in easy baskets.At the same time they are a flawed team which was shown in their double digit defeat against Notre Dame.The point being teams are on different tiers based on talent and coaching.Maryland will probably be a 1-2 NCAA seed but I don't see them winning a national championship.
Rutgers has a excellent opportunity to win their remaining games and have a 4-5 NCAA seed.To get pass the sweet sixteen Scaife must return to form or it will be a early departure for Rutgers.
As I stated in another thread Scaife, Laney and Copper are streaky scorers .In this game Maryland went on a 19-2 run and Rutgers was never able to catch up.Rutgers offense is so dependent on these 3 players for winning games because the rest of the players don't step up when a basket is needed.
As fans have seen in the two games against Maryland they are able to grind opponents down with the inside/outside offense and a defense that creates turnovers resulting in easy baskets.At the same time they are a flawed team which was shown in their double digit defeat against Notre Dame.The point being teams are on different tiers based on talent and coaching.Maryland will probably be a 1-2 NCAA seed but I don't see them winning a national championship.
Rutgers has a excellent opportunity to win their remaining games and have a 4-5 NCAA seed.To get pass the sweet sixteen Scaife must return to form or it will be a early departure for Rutgers.
Agree our offense as has been discussed in the past without three point shooting and a true inside game is so difficult to run because plain and simple you cannot open up or spread out the court making it much easier to defend us. I don't know how many times I see one of our girls get the ball at the three point line and the defender doesn't even bother to come with in 3 feet of the girl becuase there is absolutely no threat that she is going to shoot a 3 pointer. This also makes much more difficult for our bigs to even get the ball inside because the defense is so packed in you cannot make an easy entry pass to give them a chance. There was one point in the game where MD went inside to Jones 3 straight times and she made 3 easy layups in a row and one of the reason is if you look at the offensive spacing there was room for the entry pass and no help was able to get there in time. I do commend our girls for scoring so many points with these offensive limitations.
Which brings me to my next point is that Hernandez has to be in no question I don't want to hear about her defensive limitations because we need that 3 point threat, no questions asked
Which brings me to my next point is that Hernandez has to be in no question I don't want to hear about her defensive limitations because we need that 3 point threat, no questions asked
I thought the RU defense was pretty solid when they played them straight up half court...its when they missed shots and had to play transition D...you cant allow an outstanding team like Maryland to go on a 21-4 run....RU must have had about a dozen empty possessions where either they turned the ball over or clanked shots off the rim. Maryland is a strong offensive team, you are not going to limit them to 55 points. You have to score on them. RU simply played so poorly offensively in that stretch that it was too much to come back from. They had similar long dry spells against UNC and Tennessee and have also shown those dry spells in conference games against Minny, Nebby and even some weaker Big 10 schools. but they are able to overcome because they are better than their opponents.
Maryland is better than Rutgers. We have to give them credit. We all can pick out the things that RU can do better with respect to turnovers and decision making but this team just does not have the bench or firepower and the beyond the top 3 no one can score. Canty is AWOL on offense, you cannot have that if you have high expectations. The post play is not good...12 points and 13 boards is solid for them but thats still not enough to win games.
Laney, Davis, and Copper are total warriors out there. Problem is we lose two of them next year and I don't see how we make up for huge losses, who will take their places?
I think Shrita Parker may have that same intensity. She's doing good things in the limited number of minutes she's getting. I'll admit that I was wrong about her earlier in the year. She's a positive right now.
With regard to Laney and improvement - Coach Stringer acknowledged this in her post game press conference at MD - the link for which was tweeted by Rutgers WBB but presumably available on the BTN webpage.
CVS also commented about the post production/rebounding and about three pointers so she has similar observations to people here. She gave a lot of credit to MD and is hopeful for a rematch.
It has been a joy to observe the improvement in most of the players like Laney, Copper, Davis.
I think Scaife has had a sophomore slump but she will get over it. I am hopeful for next year, too.
Go RU! Beat the Boilermakers!
CVS also commented about the post production/rebounding and about three pointers so she has similar observations to people here. She gave a lot of credit to MD and is hopeful for a rematch.
It has been a joy to observe the improvement in most of the players like Laney, Copper, Davis.
I think Scaife has had a sophomore slump but she will get over it. I am hopeful for next year, too.
Go RU! Beat the Boilermakers!
If you're going to front their 5 you need to have weak-side help and it didn't get there in time. 3 point shooters do that to you....they stretch you out and pull that weak-side help away. WE don't have that so they played that zone and jumped our passing lane. They have some long-armed players on that team.
It's still eerie to see that arena so empty.....spooky
It's still eerie to see that arena so empty.....spooky
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